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post 22 Oct 2018, 13:37
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Felicitari, doar cateva remarci:
[quote=Stefan.alex78,22 Oct 2018, 11:22]
Am oprit motorul si din acel moment masina nu a vrut sa mai porneasca. .. punand totul pe seama inecarii motorului, dupa multiplele incercari de a-l porni.
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In ultimul timp am patit-o si eu de cateva ori, cauza s-a dovedit a fi una legata de conditiile tranzitorii de mediu: umezeala in aer si motor nici rece nici prea cald, conditii ideale pt. putin abur sub capacul delco, deci scanteie slaba sau lipsa.
[quote=Stefan.alex78,22 Oct 2018, 11:22]
Verificat bujiile, moment in care am rupt o fisa, bujiile afumate (am zis ca e normal la cat de mult am dat la automat), le-am curatat si sus cu ele pe motor, pus fisa noua din cutia cu maimute, incercata pornirea, nimic
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Fisele nu se scot tragand de cablu, ci de izolatia de pe bujie. Bujiile se afuma nu din cauza multor porniri, ci a amestecului bogat (soc tras si lasat mai mult de 1-2 min. asa, in ipoteza ca reglajele la carb. sunt corecte). Uneori se mai desurubeaza electrodul din coada bujiei (cel pe care vine fisa), atunci iar n-ai scanteie, dar altfel revin la ideea cu stergerea capacului delco (presupunand, evident ca vine benzina).
[quote=Stefan.alex78,22 Oct 2018, 11:22]
Inlocuit bobina cu una noua
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Asta era ultima cauza la care merita sa te gandesti, cea mai complicata, dar improbabila.
[quote=Stefan.alex78,22 Oct 2018, 11:22]
Timp de 30 minute nu am auzit decat glume proaste
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Ma mir, n-am patit niciodata asa ceva, si sper sa nu se intample, ca ce le-ar auzi urechile... wink.gif
[quote=Stefan.alex78,22 Oct 2018, 11:22]
..au tot venit persoane care incercau sa ma calmeze si sa imi de-a sfaturi, dar si un domn cu o platforma care mi-a dat curent si a stat langa mine pana am pornit masina
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Asta da, mi sa-ntamplat, si e normal sa incercam sa ne ajutam intre noi, dar cel mai de folos ti-ar fi sa gandesti tu "la rece", pt. ca se presupune ca-ti cunosti masina cel mai bine. O iei prin eliminare, iar cauzele de obicei sunt simple.
[quote=Stefan.alex78,22 Oct 2018, 11:22]
Masina tot nu pornea, am umblat la aprindere, la benzina, la carburator, nimic. Am scos iar bujiile si le-am verificat si am observat ca una dadea scanteia slaba, asa ca le-am inlocuit pe toate cu sinterom noi ( tot sinterom am avut si inainte). Din acest moment masina avea semne de viata dar electromotorul nu avea puterea necesara sa-l invarta.
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De vreme ce a pornit la rece, poti elimina din cauze benzina, carburatorul si chiar bujiile.
[quote=Stefan.alex78,22 Oct 2018, 11:22]
Intre timp Domnul Ozon a terminat verificarea la masina si a venit in ajutor, a incercat sa porneasca masina si am cazut toti de comun acord ca masina va porni impinsa. Dumnealui s-a urcat la volan, iar eu cu tatal meu am inceput sa impingem, nu am facut 2m cu ea ca deja s-au strans 7 persoane in ajutor, parca impingeam un TIR
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Normal, trebuia sa impingeti aproape doua tone... radmasa.gif
[quote=Stefan.alex78,22 Oct 2018, 11:22]
Un tanar inginer de acolo, a fost de acord sa imping masina pe rampa, pana cand ajung la frane si sa o pornesc atunci, totul in speranta de a nu consuma bateria si mai mult.
inginerul se uita ciudat la masina pentru ca nu stia cum sa deschida capota, il ajut eu si apoi a dorit sa o porneasca
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Bateria se consuma cu porniri, nu in functionarea motorului. Si astia (ca "tanarul inginer") care nu stiu sa deschida capota unei dacii vechi au pretentia sa ne verifice noua masinile?! unsure.gif
[quote=Stefan.alex78,22 Oct 2018, 11:22]
....masina pornea dar mergea ba in 2 ba in 3 ba in 4 pistoane. Am verificat bujiile sinterom noi si din 4, 2 erau ok 2 nu. Asa ca am cumparat unele denso si unele brisk, montat cele denso si masina torcea ca o pisicuta.
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Probabil intre-timp s-a dus si aburul de sub capacul delco.
[quote=Stefan.alex78,22 Oct 2018, 11:22]
3) Masina a fost inscrisa, i-am montat numerele si am tot achizitionat una alta pentru ea sau pentru stocul de piese.

In concluzie, masina este gata, mai are nevoie de putina atentie in perioada urmatoare, dar consider ca ma pot bucura de ea in orice moment.
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Asta-i cel mai important. Bine macar ca acolo (la r.a.r.) ai dat doar de nepriceputi, nu si de neamuri-proaste.
[quote=Stefan.alex78,22 Oct 2018, 11:22]
Vorba Domnului Ozon imi va ramane intiparita in minte: "Daciile trebuie sa le iubesti pentru a le putea detine!".
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Evident, si trebuie sa gandesti permanent pt. a le putea folosi cu succes.
Imi pare rau ca "Tractozaurul" (ca si alti fosti useri valorosi) nu ne mai onoreaza cu prezenta. sad.gif



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post 22 Oct 2018, 16:07
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Am verificat in tot acel timp si capacul delcou, nu avea abur sau umezeala...plus ca la iesirea din RAR am parcat masina, m-am dat jos din ea si s-a oprit imediat si de atunci iar nu a vrut sa mai porneasca. Am adus-o acasa si inclusiv a doua zi tot nu a vrut sa porneasca pana nu am schimbat bujiile.
Fisa am rupt-o din pura graba...am agatat-o cu cheia de bujii si s-a desfacut firul din clema de metal dinspre bujie.
Am umblat si la bobina, incercand sa elimin si variabila aia.
La rece pornea un pic mai greu...imediat cum am schimbat bujiile doar ii dau doua pedale si pleaca imediat.
In legatura cu bateria, tocmai asta doreau cei de la RAR, sa pornesc masina sa merg cu ea 1-2m si apoi sa o opresc si procesul sa se repete. Dar au fost intelegatori si m-au lasat sa pornesc o singura data, cand era stric nevoie de asta. Nu doreau sa o las pornita pentru a nu crea gaze in hala respectiva.

In fine, cum am afirmat, va avea nevoie de unele mici reglaje. Am sesizat vineri seara cand veneam acasa ca la cald incepe sa aiba unele mici rateuri pe toba, tuse cum imi place sa-i zic, lucru ce s-a repetat si sambata in drum si la intoarcerea de la parada. Momentan cauza la acest lucru nu o identific.
Am reglat nivelul la benzina din CNC si verificat de 2 ori, benzina are. Asa ca ori e infundat un canal ceva in carburator si ramane fara benzina si de aici sa vina acea tuse pe toba, sau culbutori sunt prea stransi si la cald datorita dilatarii sa se modifice foarte mult jocurile.

O sa-mi fac timp zilele viitoare sa ii verific mersul la rece, daca la rece merge rotund inseamna ca trebuie sa mai verific si culbutori o data. Daca nu....nu realizez unde ar putea fi problema.

Multi au spus sa pun alte bujii sa vad daca procesul se repeta ( dar eu nu vreau sa cred ca sunt de vina iar bujiile), sau problema sa fie de la bobina, dar sambata in drum spre parada masina pornea la sfert la cald chiar si imediat dupa opriere sau si dupa 30min-1h de la oprire.
Singura problema fiind mersul neregulat al motorului.

22 Oct 2018, 17:16:
P.s:1) nu mi-am prins mintea cu persoanele cu chef de gluma din curtea RAR-ului pentru simplu motiv ca aveau un IQ cat numarul meu de la bocanc si in momentul respectiv aveam lucruri mai importante in joc. Pana la urma pierdem cel putin 300-400 lei bani dati la platforma.


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post 22 Oct 2018, 21:56
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Condensatorul - l-ai schimbat, verificat legaturile lui ?
Ipoteza cu nealimentarea se verifica repede, torni putina benzina in carburator si porneste daca asta era problema si nu este inecata.

Este posibila si o problema simpla si greu de intuit in acelasi timp - centrarea capacului cu delcoul datorita in special distantierului de protectie, pieselor neconforme. Tot aici si defazarea (dar si pozitia pe inaltime) lulelei cu ploturile din capac
Carbunele...

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post 23 Oct 2018, 05:56
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Tocmai asta e problema...ca masina porneste foarte repede, merge rotund la rece, accelereaza, consuma destul de ok undeva la 5-6l in 75km...dar are momente la cald..cand incepe sa tuseasca pe toba. ( asta e acum in prezent)

Problema de la RAR o pun stric pe seama bujiilor. ( problema care s-a rezolvat).

Condensatorul nu l-am schimbat, crezand ca daca e sa fie stricat nu mai pornea deloc.


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post 23 Oct 2018, 08:58
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Uita-te un pic si la gaura din capacul delcoului, vezi daca au inceput sa plece crapaturi din ea. Asigura-te si ca nu ti-a aparut uzura pe unul din ploturile din el. Altceva nu-mi mai trece prin cap acum.


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post 23 Oct 2018, 13:54
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Presupunand ca ar fi capacul delcou de vina ( crapaturi in el sau ploturi uzate) de ce nu face figuri si la rece?

Trebuie sa verific functionalitatea motorului la rece si o sa revin cu detali. Stiu ca sambata inainte de a pleca la parada, motorul fiind rece, dupa 1 min de soc el mergea rotund fara probleme. La fel si vineri dupa 2-3km parcursi cu masina m-am oprit la un prieten care este mecanic si prima lui miscare a fost de a asculta la toba sa vada cum merge masina si ea mergea impecabil. Din acel moment am tinut-o pornita timp de 20 minute la ralanti si apoi am mai mers alti 4-5km pana acasa. Odata ajuns acasa deja masina avea un mers neregulat si mici suturi pe toba.
La fel s-a intamplat si sambata, am plecat de la parada, masina mergea ok si ajuns acasa am sesizat iar tusea pe toba.

Daca fenomenul se repeta si la rece, inseamna ca trebuie sa verific iar aprinderea.
Daca nu se repeta atunci apare datorita unor dilatari la cald sau datorita temperaturii ce scoate din parametrii anumite piese si ramane de vazut care.

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post 24 Oct 2018, 08:52
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arunci condensatorul, iei capac delcou nou, bobina noua (am luat magneti marelli de la epiesa cu 76 de lei), fise noi (tesla siliconice de preferat) si neaparat asta: https://www.olx.ro/oferta/aprindere-electro...html#6bf2f0443b

n-o sa mai ai probleme niciodata smile.gif

merg cu "coctail"-ul asta pe toate masinile, de la M la R16 si toate functioneaza perfect

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post 24 Oct 2018, 19:45
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Multumesc de sfat. Din ceea ce mi-ai zis tu..am facut aproape tot, mai putin partea cu aruncatul condensatorului si pusa aprinderea electronica. Ma mai chinui putin pe model vechi si daca nu vrea acolo o sa ajung.



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post 24 Oct 2018, 20:20
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post 25 Oct 2018, 09:06
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Lipsa servo? Mai trage si tu de fiare. tongue.gif


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post 29 Nov 2018, 23:46
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Multumesc frumos de aprecieri.

De la ultima postare am identificat problema care imi cauza mersul neregulat al masini.
Masina mergea in suturi si la rece si la cald, am incercat sa o mai reglez si am observat ca reglajul aerului era nul, astfel am curatat si suflat putin carburatorul si apoi am verificat si eventualele gunoaie pe alimentare. Am gasit filtrul imbibat cu o pulbere alba, l-am schimbat si de atunci totul este perfect.

Nu imi dau seama de unde sa fi aparut gunoaie, poate ceva oxid din rezervor care abia dupa primul drum mai serios s-a desprins.

In plus am mai achizitionat una alta, l-am ajutat pe colegul Vlad cu refacerea unui alternator pentru sportiva lui si am facut curatenia de iarna prin debara.



30 Nov 2018, 21:36:
Bonus:

La cald: https://youtu.be/RvZ6Jdu3kg8

La rece: https://youtu.be/_QBVA2tbk-g

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post 25 Dec 2018, 11:18
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Craciun fericit tuturor!

Curatenia de iarna a continuat si dupa postarea precedenta:


Au urmat cadourile:


Si nu in ultimul rand, ceva mesterit:
1) de mai bine de un an aveam planetarele cardanice si nu mi-am pus intrebarea ce model sunt, asa ca le-am desfacut burdufurile, le-am curatat si am descoperit ca sunt modelul glenzer fara burduf, dar cineva a mesterit la ele cate 3 inele per planetara, in care se pot prinde/adapta burdufuri. Pe viitor o sa pastrez sistemul, pentru o mai buna protectie.

2) Am decis ca motorul 810-02 achizitonat in vara, il pot pastra in conditii optime daca acesta este complet, cu ulei proaspat in el si functional. Astfel l-am desfacut, il voi spala, curata si sufla, ii voi schimba doar segmenti, fiind destul de uzati ( motorul are 166 xxx km ), iar linia nu cred ca o voi rectifica.
Motorul nu imi dau seama sa mai fi fost desfacut, inafara de patina lantului care a fost schimbata cu una mecanica, toate piesele sunt ale lui. Presupun ca a functionat cu ulei prost, schimbat foarte rar, de aici si urmele lasate pe cuzineti si nevoia de a schimba patina.

Si pentru el am scos de la naftalina tot ce este necesar astfel incat sa-l pot porni pe banc avand si racire: chiuloasa si partea superioara a motorului ( de pe un '70 din remat ), ulei, bujii, garnituri, pompa apa si benzina etc.





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Domnule drag,iti recomand sa montezi o aprindere electronica Gotronic At 011 cu senzor!!!
Pur si simplu nu concep sa mai mergi cu platina si condensator in 2019!
Am montat cred ca peste 200 de aprinderi si nu am avut probleme!!
Pornire impecabila in orice situatie!
La motorul de 1289 cmc recomand bujii Denso w 16 fpu sau Eyquem A 12 C 42 S.


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Daniel, stiu ce zici. Am luat in calcul si varianta de a monta o aprindere electronica.
Ba chiar am si montat cateva, dar nu pe masina mea. Momentan inca vreau sa merg pe varianta clasica, nu poti sa iti spun exact de ce, dar inca sunt adeptul ei pe aceasta masina. Vad zi de zi circuite electronice si prefer cand ajung acasa sa mai am si ceva simplu, mecanic, clasic.

Daca te linisteste cu ceva, am comandat inca de anul trecut o aprindere electronica, sa fie, dar nu este montata. Dupa parerea mea nu conteaza anul in care suntem in acest caz, pana la urma masina nu este una de zi cu zi.

Problemele pe care le-am avut in luna octombrie nu s-au datorat platini si condensatorului ci bujiilor proaste si a unor gunoaie din rezervor. Acum nici nu pot fi sigur ca masina nu va mai avea probleme sau ca am rezolvat complet problemele anterioare, pana la urma nu am iesit decat 75km cu ea dupa 4 ani si jumatate de refacere totala.

Iar in legatura cu bujiile momentan am Denso dar nu stiu exact codul lor. Va trebui sa ma uit si revin.

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Salutari pe anul asta.

De la ultima postare s-au intamplat destul de multe, de la achizitii pentru masina si pentru viitorul proiect, pana la terminarea motorului inceput inainte de Craciun.
Sunt destule poze pe care le voi incarca, dar treptat.


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ai gresit-o cu baia,capacul culbutorilor si focul....o sa se decaleasca/deformeze,baia o sa cada mai greu la gauri iar capacul odata strans o sa se lalaie si o sa curga ulei pe langa el... unde mai pui ca are dublura capacul ala si o sa-ti ajunga prin motor tot felul de resturi arse oricat l-ai scutura down.gif
exista spay-uri de curatat fanele,benzina,triumf pentru aragazuri,detartrant,pensule,rabdare.....aveai o gramada de optiuni mult mai ok.

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@sobolan: sunt de-acord cu celelalte solutii, dar nu cred ca focul a durat atat cat sa creeze probleme (ca deformare remanenta). Calite oricum nu cred ca sunt.
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@sobolan: Motorul este deja asamblat (dupa cum o sa se vada in viitoarele poze), atat baia de ulei, cat si capacul de culbutori au cazut perfect pe suruburile de fixare, nu am avut probleme la montarea lor. Nu sunt nici primul nici ultimul care recurge la aceasta solutie. Pentru curatarea si montarea acestui motor am folosit: 8 spray-uri de curatat franele, 20 litri de benzina, 3 tipuri de pensule, 6-7 tipuri de peri de sarma, apa cu presiune si tot "proiectul" a durat de pe 23 Decembrie 2018 pana pe 09 Martie 2019 ( lucrand doar in weekenduri). In concluzie, nu poti spune ca nu am incercat ceea ce ai mentionat tu sau ca nu am avut rabdare.



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interesant,n-am spus sigur ca doar asta ai facut,vad ca esti meticulos,am presupus doar...te panichezi prea repede dry.gif


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Nu pot intelege de ce ai refolosit chiulasa, e cam bataie de joc raportat la restul muncii.


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Cum adica de ce am refolosit chiulasa? Te referi la faptul ca trebuia sa fi pus una noua ?


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QUOTE(4x4 @ 13 Mar 2019, 20:51)
Nu pot intelege de ce ai refolosit chiulasa, e cam bataie de joc raportat la restul muncii.
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e ok chiuloasa aia,la dacie nu se fisureaza,doar se deformeaza....daca i-a dat un plan la masina de rectificat si i-a pasuit supapele e stas....mai apare la unele uzura in ghiduri,e inevitabila,daca e in limitele normale e ok iar,ca sa schimbi ghidurile in ea sau scaunele e adio,de aruncat,nu mai prezinta siguranta....noua nu mai gasesti decat tot la vreun pasionat pe raft si ala greu ti-o da sau daca o da cere pe ea la greu....cel mai ok,se merge in remat si se ia pe alese,chiar ieri am dat una ok .....


Arborele ala de la mine a ajuns in vreun motor de-al tau ? parca era la r1 si era destul de bun la fusuri....

LE Din ce vad eu in poze e ciupita rau la etansarea cu cilindrii....nu prea e ok sad.gif ,planeaz-o,nu se poate monta asa,sau poate ca nu mergi mult cu masina prin trafic vara....nu e ok evil5.gif

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Daca ai posibilitatea, fa-i un test de compresie. Sunt cateva ciupituri care-s pozitionate cam nasol (pe muchie), s-ar putea sa ai probleme chiar si dupa rectificare. Daca nu pierde compresie, ai scapat.


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asta scrisei mai sus ca nu vazui pozele bine,nu merita montata,e si de aia de 1300 antica cu ghiduri conice sus.....la aia trebuie facut plan si ras din ea cam 2-3 zecimi cel putin.....daca razi mai mult din ea e cam naspa,trebuie mers cu 98+ altfel detoneaza iar ca s-o incarci la sudura si apoi s-o planezi iese ok dar NU merita,se gasesc chiulase bune de dacie pe toate gardurile.


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Initial nu am vrut sa o planez (rectific) pentru ca proiectul se dorea a fi mai mult o reconditionare, nu o restaurare. In momentul montari am observat si eu ca aveam unele ciupituri la limita asa ca am trimis-o la atelier unde s-a rectificat. Nu am facut un test de compresie sa ma pronunt 100%, dar eu cred ca va fi bine.

Motorul, momentan, nu cred ca va fi folosit pe o masina, a fost refacut pentru a putea sa-l stochez mai sigur pe timp indelungat si sa imi mai exersez mana in diferite reglaje cu el.


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Pentru ca sezonul cald s-a instalat deja, m-am apucat sa pregatesc masina pentru plimbari:

-schimbat ulei+filtru (chiar daca nu am facut decat 150 km cu uleiul vechi, acesta era in motor de aproape 2 ani, timp in care masina a consumat benzina la "ora de manevra" pentru diferite reglaje).
-cateva mici detalii pe la interior.
-schimbat arcuri spate (la montarea mecanici spate, am observat ca un arc era mai inalt decat celalalt cu aproximativ 1.5cm, dar avand certitudinea, de la cel de la care am cumparat, ca amandoua sunt de berlina le-am montat crezand ca nu ma va afecta. Eh... nu a fost asa, la fiecare denivelare imi bateau amortizoarele. Am descoperit acum ca unul era de break si altul de berlina...).
-pentru ca am vopsit masina cu mecanica montata, eram sigur ca voi gaza diferite elemente, asa ca le-am acoperit cu ceara de la body (care nu se intareste) acum reusind sa curat toate elementele gazate (fata+spate).
-am verificat toate lichidele.
-am curatat caroseria de ceara nedorita in diferite locuri.
-am remontat corect volanul (acesta era deplasat catre dreapta fata de pozitia centrala).
-am reglat incarcarea la maxim 14.4V ( inainte in ture ajungea si la 16 V, indiferent de sarcina).
-restras cateva coliere
-plus achizitii smile.gif)=))


P.s: daca doreste cineva arcuri spate de break, sa-mi lase un mesaj. Am 2 seturi, toate uzina, un set sablat si vopsit electrostatic, un set curatate manual si vopsite normal.

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imi spui cum ai reusit sa dai jos vechiul stut? si la mine s-a rupt si trebuie sa il inlocuiesc. stiu are filet conic 1/8 NPT 27 gaura din chiuloasa.

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