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post 8 Oct 2006, 08:40
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Renault trebuie sa ocupe locurile 3 si 4 cursa viitoare pentru a-si adjudeca ambele titluri


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QUOTE(DigitalScribe @ 8 Oct 2006, 11:39)
R.E.V.E.N.G.E. !!!
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post 8 Oct 2006, 08:46
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Eu imi doresc ca la cursa viitoare lu Alonso sa-i crape motoru in ultima tura... poate asa ii crapa pipota lu Miki Mitomanu si scapam dracului de cretin 022.gif

De fapt nici n-o sa ma uit la cursa, ca nu am ce vedea wink.gif


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post 8 Oct 2006, 08:48
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QUOTE(MAKRON @ 8 Oct 2006, 09:45)
Saaadicule!Sa nu te bucuri de necazul altuia ca nu se stie niciodata!
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Eu ma bucur nu de necaz ci de justitie. A fost si invers si o sa mai fie invers fara nici o indoiala. Mesajul meu de mai sus are forma care o are pentru ca am promis ca voi fi fan Renault 100% subiectiv pana la finele campionatului, asta pentru ca obiectivitatea nu e apreciata si cine incearca sa fie obiectiv e luat peste picior. Asa ca... Hai Renault ! drunksinging.gif


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post 8 Oct 2006, 08:49
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QUOTE(MAKRON @ 8 Oct 2006, 11:45)
Saaadicule!Sa nu te bucuri de necazul altuia ca nu se stie niciodata!
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Omul nu se bucura pentru necazul altuia. Ci pentru ca echipa lui favorita a avut o masina mai buna si a castigat. S-a bucurat pentru ca tandemul Alonso-Renault a fost mai bun decat cel Schumi-Ferrari. Nu ai voie sa te bucuri cand esti pe primul loc?

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post 8 Oct 2006, 08:54
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Hai Renault biggrin.gif Mare noroc cu motorul lui Schumi biggrin.gif Dar trebuia sa se intoarca roata o data si o data, si iata ca soarta loveste unde te astepti mai putin. Cine isi imagina ca ii va crapa lui Schumi motorul dupa cat de autoritar conducea cursa? Eu unul nu.

Mai e un hop, Brazilia, insa Alonso cred ca va merge la mare economie acolo, va avea motor nou, deci daca nu intra Massa in el (sa altul), Schumi nu prea mai are sanse la titlu.


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Auzi, Digital,...daca te duci sa vezi live vreo cursa, eu zic sa nu mergi cu masina ta ca te mananca fanii renault de viu cand vor vedea culoarea...aia fac urat cand vad rosu. radmasa.gif
Ca o curiozitate, masina ta e rosu metalizat sau ROSU FERRARI? radmasa.gif


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post 8 Oct 2006, 09:06
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Bai... o fi masina mea un Logan dar e rosie exact ca masinile "dusmanilor" asa ca sunt camuflat bine radmasa.gif
Ca sa fiu precis e ROSU PASSION cu aceeasi pasiune probabil pe care o au si fanii Ferrari biggrin.gif

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post 8 Oct 2006, 09:27
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QUOTE(mihye @ 7 Oct 2006, 19:19)
Din discutiile de aici si din ce am vazut la TV trag concluzia ca mass-dumpers a facut anul trecut + prima jumatate a sezonului actual diferenta iar fara el masinile primelor doua echipe au ajuns cat de cat la acelasi nivel. De aici incolo diferenta o fac pilotii, un mai mic rol avandu-l si pneurile.
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foaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaarte mic... dry.gif


QUOTE(paulp @ 8 Oct 2006, 08:05)
Dumnezei, Cristosi, altaru, ma-sa, tac-su, neamurile pina la maimuta si inapoi... 022.gif

Si cenzurat lui Miki Mitomanu! 022.gif


ai grija la limbaj: cartonas galben


QUOTE(DigitalScribe @ 8 Oct 2006, 08:39)
R.E.V.E.N.G.E. !!!

Yeeehaaa !!!  radmasa.gif

Renault rulz ! Alonso rulz !
Sa ne amintim cum si lui Alonso i-a crapat motorul la Monza totusi... e doar corect ce s-a intamplat.


un motor explodat nu poate fi ceva corect. Un motor explodat este intotdeauna un lucru nedorit.

QUOTE(paulp @ 8 Oct 2006, 08:46)
Eu imi doresc ca la cursa viitoare lu Alonso sa-i crape motoru in ultima tura... poate asa ii crapa pipota lu Miki Mitomanu si scapam dracului de cretin 022.gif

De fapt nici n-o sa ma uit la cursa, ca nu am ce vedea wink.gif
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daca nu poate castiga MS titlul, e normal sa n-ai ce vedea biggrin.gif

e a doua abatere in ceea ce priveste limbajul. Eu iti dau al doilea galben. Daca si FISICHELLU considera de cuviinta, primesti avertisment.

QUOTE(MAKRON @ 8 Oct 2006, 08:56)
Auzi, Digital,...daca te duci sa vezi live vreo cursa, eu zic sa nu mergi cu masina ta ca te mananca fanii renault de viu cand vor vedea culoarea...aia fac urat cand vad rosu. radmasa.gif
Ca o curiozitate, masina ta e rosu metalizat sau ROSU FERRARI? radmasa.gif
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Ce simpatici sunt fanii Ferrari; cand nu mai pot ridica in slavi pe MS si nu au cu ce ataca pe FA, fac glume si ironii enibile icon_mrgreen.gif


Revenind la cursa, mi s-a parut interesanta, chiar daca n-am prea vazut depasiri (doar la FA in 2 randuri si la MS cand a reusit sa se strecoare printre FM si apex), strategia renilor a fost foarte buna, compatibila cu cea a italienilor, aducandu-l pe FA de pe 5 pe 2 dupa primul stint. Asa cum spunea si FA, masina a fost foarte bine configurata si echilibrata, reusind sa tina pasul cu un MS care, ce-i drept, nu a mers la 100% din posibilitatile masinii (e posibil ca tocmai de-aia sa se fi ars motorul cool.gif ).

Felicitari invinsilor, cinste invingatorilor!


incercati sa va limitati la o analiza/discutie pe marginea cursei de azi si sa nu incepeti din nou o disputa pe temele clasice: MS vs. FA, Renault vs. Ferrari, mass-dumpers vs. flexi-wings, BS vs. Michelin, etc...


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post 8 Oct 2006, 09:34
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Ieri spuneam ca trebuie sa fii fie foarte curajos, fie tampit sa iti pui banii pe altcineva decat Schumacher... Am mare noroc ca nu vad rostul pariurilor sportive! biggrin.gif Cine si-ar fi imaginat ca un motor Ferrari sa cedeze, mai ales acum, cand lupta e mai intensa ca oricand? Din nou mi se confirma ideea ca tot ce e mecanic se strica mai devreme sau mai tarziu, si daca am un greiere mic in masina, sa ma bucur ca scap numai cu atat!!!! laugh.gif
O cursa frumoasa, fara prea multe abandonuri, pe care a terminat-o si Yamamoto, dragul de el...Cred ca la pit s-a dus sa faca pipi...
Recunosc ca faceam prin casa ca disperatul cand am vazut fum in coada monopostului Ferrari, insa senzatia imediat urmatoare a fost de usoara amaraciune... Sincer, mi-a parut rau cand l-am vazut pe Schumi consoland mecanicii... Mi-ar fi placut sa se termine altfel cursa.
Dupa mine, cursa din Brazilia este aproape o formalitate, ata pentru Renault cat si pentru Alonso. Asta este F1 si, cum bine stim, orice se poate intampla....si de obicei se intampla!...
Bravo Renault.

Pos Driver Team T Laps Gap
1 Alonso Renault M 53 1h 23:53.413
2 Massa Ferrari B 53 + 0:16.151
3 Fisichella Renault M 53 + 0:23.953
4 Button Honda M 53 + 0:34.101
5 Raikkonen McLaren M 53 + 0:43.596
6 Trulli Toyota B 53 + 0:46.717
7 R Schumacher Toyota B 53 + 0:48.869
8 Heidfeld BMW M 53 + 1:16.095
9 Kubica BMW M 53 + 1:16.932
10 Rosberg WilliamsF1 B 52 + 1 Lap
11 de la Rosa McLaren M 52 + 1 Lap
12 Barrichello Honda M 52 + 1 Lap
13 Doornbos Red Bull M 52 + 1 Lap
14 Liuzzi Toro Rosso M 52 + 1 Lap
15 Sato Super Aguri B 52 + 1 Lap
16 Monteiro Midland B 51 + 2 Laps
17 Yamamoto Super Aguri B 50 + 3 Laps
18 Speed Toro Rosso M 48 + 5 Laps
Webber WilliamsF1 B 39 Spun Off
M Schumacher Ferrari B 36 Engine
Coulthard Red Bull M 35 Retired
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Fastest Lap: Alonso (Renault) 1:32.676 (Lap 14)

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Iti inteleg supararea, insa cred ca e cam mult...


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post 8 Oct 2006, 09:37
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QUOTE(sandman_ @ 8 Oct 2006, 12:27)
reusind sa tina pasul cu un MS care, ce-i drept, nu a mers la 100% din posibilitatile masinii (e posibil ca tocmai de-aia sa se fi ars motorul  cool.gif ).


Atunci a mers la 105% din posibilitatile masinii (motorului) ? icon_mrgreen.gif


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post 8 Oct 2006, 09:40
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Fernando Alonso took a huge step towards securing the 2006 Formula One World Championship by winning today’s Japanese Grand Prix. His rival Michael Schumacher failed to finish the race with a blown engine.

Fernando Alonso has taken an extraordinary victory at Suzuka in today’s Japanese Grand Prix, taking the chequered flag from Felipe Massa and Giancarlo Fisichella.

The Spaniard made a great start from fifth position and was up to fourth straight away. Felipe Massa led the field from pole position with Michael Schumacher second and Ralf Schumacher third. Jarno Trulli slotted into fifth with Button sixth, Fisichella seventh and Heidfeld eighth.

At the start of the third lap, Michael Schumacher eased alongside his team-mate and the Brazilian put up little fight in allowing him through and into a lead which would be essential for the title.

Fernando was pushing as hard as he could to try and pass Ralf, as up ahead Michael Schumacher was pulling out from Massa. But the Spaniard pushed just a touch too hard, running wide at Degna on the tenth lap and allowing Jarno Trulli to get within sniffing distance of his rear wing. 

Two laps later however and Trulli was in the pits for his first scheduled stop, while out on track, Fernando had put in a couple of stunning laps to catch back up to Ralf and duly overtook him with an incisive and bold move at the First Curve.

One lap later and Massa and Ralf both pitted, with the German exiting behind his team-mate Trulli. Fernando now found himself in some clean air and was rattling off fastest laps with every tour while his team-mate Giancarlo Fisichella pitted on lap 14. Fernando pitted next time by, and his brace of mega laps had seen him pull out enough to exit the stands ahead of Massa.

The Brazilian found himself stuck behind the BMW of Heidfeld who was yet to pit, and with the German proving hard to pass Massa was losing time. Schumacher meanwhile was looking untouchable in the lead, and when he duly took his pitstop, he emerged with more than five seconds in hand over Fernando.

The order now saw Michael Schumacher leading Alonso, Massa, Raikkonen, Trulli, Ralf, Fisichella and Kubica, but the Finn and the Pole had yet to stop.

On lap 20 Albers had a scary moment as his rear wing appeared to give way, taking out the Dutchman’s rear right wheel and suspension as it collapsed. Debris was thrown over the track on the braking zone into the final chicane.

Lap 22 saw Raikkonen take his stop and emerge in eighth place, while a few laps later Schumacher caught up with the back markers. Barrichello, Liuzzi, Speed, Doornbos and Coulthard all lay ahead in formation, but the German started to scythe through them. Fernando had been catching the German at a rate of around half a second a lap for the previous four laps, and as Schumacher negotiated the backmarkers, Fernando got even closer.

But the Spaniard then had to contend with passing the same drivers, and the gap between Schumacher and the Spaniard ebbed and flowed as they passed the slower cars, eventually emerging with the same five second gap with which they had arrived at the now-passed cars. 

By now the second round of stops was upon us, with Trulli and Ralf Schumacher being the first to come in on laps 29 and 30, while Giancarlo came in three laps later. On lap 36 Fernando and Massa pitted together, and the leader was in one lap later.

The order was maintained after the stops… but not for long, as no sooner had Michael Schumacher exited the pits than his Ferrari engine let go. As smoke billowed from the back of the scarlet car, so Schumacher’s title hopes seemed to go with it.

Fernando now led the race, and with Schumacher out would take a ten point lead in the championship battle. All he had to do as hold on… and hold on he did.

Fernando ran home a worthy winner, 16 seconds ahead of Felipe Massa, with Giancarlo third to help Renault pull out a nine point gap from Ferrari in the constructors’ championship battle. Jenson Button ran home fourth for Honda, with Raikkonen fifth, Trulli sixth, Ralf Schumacher seventh and Nick Heidfeld picking up the final point in eighth.

Now it’s on to Brazil for the final race of what has been an amazing season. From a point of complete parity, Fernando and Renault now hold an undeniable and absolutely crucial advantage in both championships. A single point for Fernando will wrap up the crown next time out.


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post 8 Oct 2006, 09:46
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QUOTE(sandman_ @ 8 Oct 2006, 10:27)
Ce simpatici sunt fanii Ferrari; cand nu mai pot ridica in slavi pe MS si nu au cu ce ataca pe FA, fac glume si ironii penibile  icon_mrgreen.gif

incercati sa va limitati la o analiza/discutie pe marginea cursei de azi si sa nu incepeti din nou o disputa pe temele clasice: MS vs. FA, Renault vs. Ferrari, mass-dumpers vs. flexi-wings, BS vs. Michelin, etc...
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Vad ca tu o incepi pe aia fani Ferrari vs fani Renault! Tie cand iti dai cartonas galben? Am uitat ca glumele si ironiile tale sunt cat se poate de potrivite. Inainte de toate esti moderator! Daca inseamna ceva...
Revenind la cursa nu-mi explic de ce cand a castigat Schumi n-am avut conferinta de presa transmisa, iar acum brusc s-a gasit timp. Miki asta deja ma scoate din sarite! Am ajuns sa vad la postul public ce vrea el. Lasand la o parte faza cand a ejaculat pe Bonifaciu in mom. in care motorul lui Schumi a explodat la randu-i.
In alta ordine de idei veneam intins sa zic un sincer "Felicitari Alonso pt un nou titlu", dar cand auzi "Victoria e mai dulce si Ferrari simte ce am simtit noi in China" ti se cam taie. La o adica noroc ca i-a bubuit motorul germanului, ca el si Ferrari erau vinovati pt piuita scapata la pit-stop si alegerea neinspirata de pneuri. M-am convins ca nu stie nici sa castige si nici sa piarda. Mult respect!
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post 8 Oct 2006, 09:57
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..ACELASI LUCRU CA LA PAULP...
INCERCATI SA MENTINETI UN LIMBAJ CIVILIZAT!!!!


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post 8 Oct 2006, 10:00
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Scoateti fata aia "zambareata" , eu ce sa-i fac? E acolo, am folosit-o icon_mrgreen.gif Il las pe sandman sa-mi editeze mesajul cum a mai facut-o pana acum...stie el! Nu m-a scos din sarite in nici un caz abandonul lui Schumi, cat m-a iritat Miki in momentele alea...asa ca e de inteles "limbajul". O sa-i cer scuze omului rolleyes.gif


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QUOTE(sandman_ @ 8 Oct 2006, 12:27)
Ce simpatici sunt fanii Ferrari; cand nu mai pot ridica in slavi pe MS si nu au cu ce ataca pe FA, fac glume si ironii enibile  icon_mrgreen.gif

Fan ferrari?...hmm...de unde concluzia? Te cam pripesti. Sunt fan Rubinio.
p.s. ceea ce e penibil la nivelul tau este deconectant si conciliant pentru ceilalti.


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Da..este dureros sa pierzi smile.gif

Ma bucur enorm pt renault...

Cat s-a chinuit fia sa-i faca sa piarda... icon_mrgreen.gif ....asta ma face sa ma bucur si mai tare.


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Nu consider libajul necivilizat o refulare a nervilor, mai ales aici. O asemenea forma de comunicare nu impresioneaza pe nimeni, ba mai mult, nu face decat sa pozitioneze intr-o lumina foarte proasta pe cel ce o foloseste. Ce ar fi fost daca dupa Monza fanii Renault ar fi inceput sa besteleasca pe toti, pentru ca i s-a stricat motorul lui Alonso? In primul rand, nu vad care e legatura intre expozia motorului Ferrari si Alonso, Renault, fanii Renault, si chiar imposibilul Micky Alexandrescu! Bine, incarcatura emotionala e diferita, cursa de azi fiind aproape decisiva, insa nu exista nicio scuza. Reveniti la comentarii despre cursa si incercati sa va tineti de subiectul topicului.

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QUOTE(TMihai @ 8 Oct 2006, 12:46)
Lasand la o parte faza cand a ejaculat pe Bonifaciu in mom. in care motorul lui Schumi a explodat la randu-i.

Curios, eu nu l-am auzit. Pesemne pentru ca tipam ca nebunu prin casa... radmasa.gif

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QUOTE(FISICHELU @ 8 Oct 2006, 10:34)
Sincer, mi-a parut rau cand l-am vazut pe Schumi consoland mecanicii


Eu zic ca MS trebuia sa se duca la mecanici si sa-i traga de urechi pt i-au dat pneuri aiurea, ca i-au dat un motor care a explodat, sa-i la la suturi pe massa ca nu i-a facut loc in primul viraj si sa se ia de toata echipa si de toata lumea ca nu l-a ajutat sa castige titlul la constructori biggrin.gif Din fericire a dat dovada de un mare caracter ca de obicei.
As vrea sa felicit echipa renault dar nu am pentru ce, nu au aratat ceva deosebit in cursa si au castigat din cauza nesansei celor de la ferrari si a lui MS in special. Asta e, se mai intampla, pacat ca s-a intamplat asa la final cand toti fanii ferrari il vedeau pe MS campion.
Astept un miracol in brazilia desi sunt sanse infime sa se intoarca roata in acest fel.
Michi ala ar trebui dat afara din tvr sau pus sa comenteze curling sau sah sau alte sporturi cu mare audienta biggrin.gif e un nesimtit si un comentator ordinar. Cum v-ar placea de exemplu ca la un meci sa zicem steaua - dinamo, comentatorul sa tina cu una dintre echipe? Cum s-ar simti suporterii echipei adverse? Partea proasta e ca noi ii platim salariul
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@paulp
"De fapt nici n-o sa ma uit la cursa, ca nu am ce vedea"
E grav daca asta intelegi tu prin sustinerea unei echipe, sau a unui pilot...Cred ca acesta este acel element nobil care diferentiaza un fan adevarat de un prefacut, un speculant, un oportunist care tine cu o echipa atata timp cat aceasta castiga...Rusine celor care nu stiu sa piarda! Ban-ul de care vorbesti intr-un post pe care l-am sters deoarece sincer, nu interesa pe nimeni, nu ti-l dau eu sau sandman: ti-l dai singur!;)
Si cand te gandesti ca nu e vorba decat despre un sport...Pacat ca nu suntem civilizati. Mare pacat.

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Cum sa nu ai pentru ce felicita echipa Renault? Au castigat cursa! wink.gif


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Declaratii dupa cursa:

Locul 1-Fernando Alonso: This win is a surprise for us all, a beautiful surprise. After qualifying, Ferrari seemed to be a long way in front, but as soon as we started racing today, I could feel that the car was well-balanced, and that we had the same speed as Ferrari. I took a risk to pass Jarno at the start, because it was the only chance, and then later in the stint I could see Ralf was having problems – and I got a run on him into turn 1. After the second stops, I still thought I could win, because the gap to Michael was only five seconds, so why not? Then I saw the smoke coming into turn 8, and I was watching the asphalt for oil. I thought it was a Spyker in front of me, and only when I went past did I realise it was Michael. After that, we turned the engine down, and just took things carefully to the finish. This win means a lot to the Renault team, and we have deserved it, and been waiting for it, ever since Hungary. The guys at the track, at the factories in Viry and Enstone, and at Michelin, have never given up all season. Now we feel confident for Brazil – but we are taking nothing for granted. The races are long, and you have to get everything right to make sure you finish in front. We have a good situation for the championship, but we will be racing the same way at Interlagos, to win.

Locul 2-Felipe Massa: What happened to Michael when he was leading is a great shame. I also had a problem in the first stint, with a puncture in my right rear wheel, which had led to a slow but gradual loss of air. As a precaution, the team brought me in for my pit stop three laps earlier than planned. I went out on track behind a slower car and that cost me my chances of staying ahead of Alonso and, as things turned out, of winning the race. We can still win the Constructors' title, even if we know it is very difficult. For my home race in Brazil, I will give it my all to achieve that.

Locul 3-Giancarlo Fisichella: This was a great result for me, for Fernando and for the whole team. But psychologically, this has been a hard weekend for me. My best friend ever Tonino (Visciani) died last Thursday, and it hasn't been easy for me. I just want to dedicate this podium to him, and to say ‘ciao'. In terms of the race, the car was not bad and we had a good strategy, because I was able to pass the Toyotas at the stops. The Michelin tyres worked perfectly as well, and we had the pace all the way through the race. Now, we need to go to Brazil and be aggressive. The team is determined to win the constructors' championship, and I want to make sure I get third in the drivers' championship. So we will be aggressive, be focused, and try to win.

Michael Schumacher:We are a great team. Our guys are the best and I have a great affection for everyone at Ferrari and am always more than satisfied in the way we work. Incidents like today's can happen and they are part of racing. You win together but you also lose together. Today we did our best, I was leading the race and then my engine broke. That's the simplest way to sum it up. That is Formula 1. We can be proud of what we have achieved since Canada: we were twenty five points behind and no one could have thought we would be back in the fight for the championship, but we did it. Now we are nine points behind in the Constructors' classification and we will do all we can to win this title in Brazil. As for the Drivers,' it is lost. I don't want to head off for a race, hoping that my rival has to retire. That is not the way in which I want to win the title.


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Super tare declaratia lui Michael! Felicitari pentru tot ce a facut pentru echipa si pentru fani! In rest... shit happens... Bine, as fi preferat sa i se intample lui Alonso, dar asta-i alta poveste smile.gif
Pierderea campionatului nu il face mai putin valoros in ochii fanilor, sper din tot sufletul sa castige macar cursa de adio pentru ca o merita.


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dragi fani Ferrari de ce nu stiti sa pierdeti?
Ce ati facut cind la Monza a crapat motorul sub FA?V-ati bucurat pentru victoria lui MS?
Daca da atunci lasati-ne si pe noi (fani Renault) sa ne bucuram de victoria unuia dintre piloti.

O chestie nu pricep:
- in calificari:
- loc pe grila 1 6 Felipe Massa Ferrari 1:29.599
- loc pe grila 2 5 Michael Schumacher Ferrari 1:29.711
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- loc pe grila 5 1 Fernando Alonso Renault 1:30.371

- in cursa:
- Fastest Lap: Fernando Alonso 1:32.676

Daca ambele Ferrari au fost in calificarile de simbata mai rapide decit Renaultul lui FA cum au putut fi mai lente in consursul de duminica?
Ca masina lui Schumi a avut ceva probleme poate fi adevarat.Dar si al lui Massa?
Sabotaj??? biggrin.gif

Intr-un fel cel de sus a adus egalitate de situatii intre FA si MS prin faptul ca la ambii le-a explodat motorul o data in acest campionat.
Iar chestia ca i-a explodat motorul lui MS nu e intimplare.Ieri in calificari dupa ce a aflat ca nu e primul pe grila de start a mai mers un tur rapid (care tot nu i-a adus prima pozitie).De ce?Pentru ca nu stie sa piarda.
MS e un mare pilot din punctul meu de vedere.Dar ca si om e o nulitate (caracter de ... baiat de cartier,ca sa nu zic altfel).


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Nu compara timpii obtinuti in calificari cu cei din cursa. Este alta conjunctura.


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QUOTE(sorin.aldea @ 8 Oct 2006, 11:33)
As vrea sa felicit echipa renault dar nu am pentru ce, nu au aratat ceva deosebit in cursa si au castigat din cauza nesansei celor de la ferrari si a lui MS in special.


Da, si echipa Ferrari atunci a meritat victoria in China? Sau punctele la masa verde din Ungaria? Ce spuneti de Monza?

Adevarul e ca cei care tin cu Ferrari nu par sa stie sa piarda... Si este dureros ca trebuie sa se obisnuiasca cu ideea ca nici anul asta nu au castigat, le-au luat-o niste "amarati" de la Renault inainte smile.gif

Bravo Renault si asteptam Brazilia pentru a sarbatori biggrin.gif


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Conferinta de presa



Well done Fernando, let's look back at the start of the race, how your car was performing yesterday relative to that first phase of the race, when you got past one of the Toyotas and looked to be in pretty good shape.
Fernando Alonso: Yeah, at the beginning of the race, I knew that we were not in this shape but we were wrong, actually we were competitive, as good as Ferrari's pace maybe and better than Toyota. Anyway, I took the risk in turn two, overtaking Jarno, because I thought that was the only opportunity and then when I saw Ralf with some problems in the car, especially traction, I tried to overtake him as well. It worked fine, and at that point I was quite happy with third place and it was difficult to imagine the performance of the car after the first pit stop, pretty constant, pretty well balanced and just after Michael's problem, the race became quite good for us.

You had a moment at the exit of Degner when you were behind Ralf, talk a little bit about that and also that second stint, when the gap was 5.8s/5.9s. What was your mindset at that point?
FA: Yeah, the moment I had, going out of the track a little bit behind Ralf, I was too close to him, I tried to really be close for the long straights and I went off and I lost nearly two seconds, but then I recovered quite quickly. I realised that we were much quicker than Toyota, so we needed to overtake them.
In the second stint, the gap to Michael was more or less the same, 5.8s/5.9s/6.0s, depending on the traffic and I was thinking it was possible to win the race, why not? We were only halfway through the race and we were five seconds behind the Ferrari, which was a surprise for us, so from that point we only needed to try.

And then a fist punch from inside the cockpit as you took the lead and Michael pulled off the track.
FA: Yeah, for sure. You know I had so many problems in the last couple of races. I lost one tyre in Hungary, I lost one engine in Monza. Sometimes I need to recover (the deficit from) those unlucky moments and for sure, when I saw the problem of Michael, I was at that point leading the race and I just didn't believe what I was seeing, because it's not often that you see a mechanical problem from a Ferrari car, so it was a second surprise, the biggest surprise of the race for sure.

Felipe, P2 for you. You did come in relatively early in terms of your first pit stop and then it seems you lost a lot of time behind Nick Heidfeld.
Felipe Massa: Yeah, I just had a puncture in the tyre so I needed to anticipate the first stop. I was supposed to stop on lap 16 and I anticipate quite a bit. I don't know which lap I stopped, maybe 13 (correct) or whatever. That was a problem because I just came out of the pits behind Heidfeld and he was pretty slow and I lost the opportunity to be in front of Fernando, for sure, so seeing what happened to Michael, I could have won the race but everything happened in the first stint because of this puncture. But anyway, that sometimes happen in the race. I feel sorry for the team with this engine problem, but we will try to do our best for Brazil.

And regaining third place in the World Championship, of course, as we go to Brazil. What was your car like in your second stint when you were lying third behind Michael and Fernando?
FM: It was not so bad. I was struggling a little bit with graining and also with the wind conditions, which were inconsistent and had some strange oversteer sometimes. It was not so easy to drive but I think everything happened in the first stint. Renault improved their pace a lot but I think we were supposed to be able to be in the front. Unfortunately, it didn't happen. But anyway, let‘s try hard in the next race.

Giancarlo, congratulations to you too. It looks as though you lost a lot of time early on behind the Toyotas.
Giancarlo Fisichella: I didn't have a fantastic start, I lost a position to Button. Then after a few laps, I overtook him and I was catching the Toyota guys. After that, the car balance wasn't too bad. I had a good race, I overtook them in the pit stops so the strategy was good, the tyre behaviour was good too so today is a fantastic result for Fernando, for myself, for the team. But mentally, psychologically, today was very difficult for me because on Thursday I lost my best friend ever. I am really sad and it's not easy so the race was important, but now is the life… like a friend of him, I would like to dedicate that third place to him and ciao to him.

Fernando, returning to you, describe what this victory meant to you at this point after everything that's been happening in the last three or four months, and equally, your thoughts now going into Brazil.
FA: Victory means a lot, not only for me and the team as well, getting back their confidence. We deserved this victory a long time ago, I think. Before Hungary we were ready to win and we never finished the job. It's a complete surprise, so the taste of the victory is even better because in China we were the complete favourites and everything seemed easy for us and we lost the race. Same thing here for Ferrari. You never know. You have to finish the races and looking at the championship, these ten points, for sure, are very important, but as we all thought, the championship will be decided in Brazil. You never know what is going to happen there. The same thing can happen (to us) so we just need to be really safe and don't take too many risks there. I think we have a good advantage, let's try to win the championship.

Press Conference

Some interesting antics there in parc ferme, Fernando. What do they all mean?
FA: Well, it was just something that I was thinking from Canada and we didn't have the opportunity to show with my friends some funny things.

Do you feel now that you've got one hand on the trophy, on the championship?
FA: No, not at all. I think it's a little bit too early to realise what happened today, a complete surprise for us, but for sure the same thing can happen in Brazil and you lose everything, so I think we thought the championship would be decided in Brazil. For sure, we now have a much better position than before, because when we were on equal points, we needed to beat Michael, we needed to beat Ferrari and this is not easy, to approach the weekend with that pressure. Now we only need a few points and this becomes a little bit easier, but you need to finish the race and this is sometimes unfortunately not the case, for mechanical problems, for bad luck, for an accident, for a spin and you put the tyres in the gravel. You never know what is going to happen in the race. We need to go there and maximum concentration, maximum professionalism and try to do it.

But a little reversal of fortunes in comparison to Monza.
FA: Yes, yes, but I think it was not only Monza where we lost points. I think we had very unlucky moments in Hungary as well and in some other places as well – China – so we lost a lot of points in bad luck moments and for sure these ten points are a little present that God gave to us.

In the second part of the first corner, your overtaking move on Jarno – it was a real ‘karting' move that one!
FA: It was very risky and I thought at the beginning of the race that we were not able to follow the Bridgestone tyres, the Bridgestone cars, so I had one opportunity, in turn two, and I said (to myself) let's go and try it -- if not then I will be fifth at the end of the race, you know. I thought I was not able to follow them so I risked a lot and after (that) I calmed down because I realised I was quicker than Ralf and sooner or later I would get the podium finish, but never the victory.

So how do you approach Brazil now?
FA: Well, the same as always - try to be concentrated and don't make any mistakes in terms driving and, for sure, the team knows what to do, but if I can say something to them, it will be to be so conservative. It is no time to risk, in Brazil, and, for me, I hope everything goes well.

Felipe, what happened to you in the early part of the race?
FM: Well, actually, everything happened in the first part of the race because the first stint was going quite well and then suddenly we had a puncture on the tyres and I had to anticipate the first stop -- and that was the biggest problem of the race because I stopped around lap 13, or 12, and I was supposed to come in on lap 16 to the ‘box' and that was the problem because I came out behind Heidfeld and he was really, really slow and I lost a huge amount of time behind him. Fernando passed me and for sure the second part of the race, after I passed Heidfeld, Fernando was in front of me, and I was suffering from graining with the tyres. In the second stint, I had scrubbed tyres, not new, and there was quite a bit of graining, but then the last set was good again on the new tyres, but not enough to catch Fernando.

Was the debris from the Spyker on the circuit a concern for the drivers at all?
FM: Honestly, we were not concerned a lot because, when you are driving, you don't think a lot. You just try to avoid the debris, but it is always a bit of a concern because you can have a tyre problem, but this was not the case.

And now your feelings, as you go to Brazil, your home race and it is very important for Ferrari and yourself too?
FM: For sure, we will try to do our best and to win the race, a very important race for us, you never know what can happen in a race and of course Renault is quite comfortable in the championship now, but let's try everything and anything can happen. Racing is racing. And, you don't know what happens -- like today with Michael…

Giancarlo, obviously a very emotional race for you – early on you seemed to have good pace?
GF: The start wasn't great. I lost a position against Jenson. The car balance wasn't too bad, but following another car, especially in the snake, wasn't easy, but I got the opportunity to overtake Jenson and once I passed him I was catching the Toyota drivers and it wasn't too bad. For the first part of the race, I lost the connection to the radio and I was a bit in trouble for that and watching the pit board and it was not easy to follow all the answers from the box. Once I went to the pit stop, it was connected again and it was okay and in the second pit stop I overtook the Toyota drivers in the pit stop and I was just seven or eight seconds in front of Button. The car balance was good and I went down with the revs so it's been a good race for us and a fantastic result for Fernando, and for myself, and for the team in the Constructors Championship.

Felipe, you led the first two laps and then Michael overtook – what happened there? Did you let him go past?
FM: Yes, I let him through. I was trying to help him, for the championship and let him by and I was following him and managing to increase the gap. Everything was going well for a time, but unfortunately he had a problem with the engine.

You kept up the pressure didn't you? You didn't let him get too far ahead?
FM: Yes, well the car was very good and I was pushing when I had to push and it was not bad.

Questions From The Floor

(Mathias Brunner – Motorsport Aktuell) Fernando, after all that has happened with the mass damper affair and at Monza, do you feel that today justice was done?
FA: No, I don't think that one result will change anything that happened this year.

(Sal Zanca – AP) Fernando, what was your reaction when you saw Michael's engine smoking and you passed him?
FA: Well, at the beginning I thought it was a Spyker. From a long distance, I didn't know it was red and I thought it was orange. So I immediately braked because I was into turn eight and I thought it was oil on the track and I didn't want to go off because of the oil so I was so concentrated on the asphalt to see the oil that I didn't realise until I was side by side that it was Michael and for sure when I saw it was Michael there I you know I did like this (clenched fist salute) and it was my opportunity… but there were still 20 laps to finish the race and you have to immediately drop the revs and be conservative from that point because any result with Michael out was good for me.

(Mathias Brunner – Motorsport Aktuell) Felipe, the puncture was where on the car?
FM: I think it was the right behind, rear right.

(Cédric Voisard – Le Figaro) Fernando, would you say that Brazil is going to be a very long weekend, a very long race, maybe the longest of your career?
FA: I don't know. I had also last year in Brazil a very long race. Remember in 2005, and all the race, 70 laps, in Brazil, it feels very long. But you find motivations every lap. Sometimes you have to fight for a position. Sometimes, it's approaching the pit stop, or after the pit stop, people you are lapping… In the race, there are no moments to be bored or to lose concentration or for the race to become too long. You are always motivated by something…

(Yuuki Ishihara – Tokyo Sankei Sports) Fernando, you cannot use mass dampers on the bumpy circuit in Brazil – how confident are you feeling?
FA: Very confident. I think the mass damper now is seven races in 06 that we don't use it anymore and the car improved and we try to set up the front suspension in a way that we don't miss it any more and we saw here in Suzuka very bumpy circuit using a lot the kerb in the last chicane in the first sector and the car just fly today and so we will have no problem in Brazil with the car.

(Andrea Cremonesi – La Gazzetta dello Sport) Felipe, you had problem with the engine in the last race. During the weekend did you have any warnings and switch down the revs?
FM: Actually, yes, it is true I had a problem in the previous race with the engine, but we thought it was maybe ok and always think maybe it can happen in the other car, but it is not supposed to happen and we didn't have many problems with engines this year - only in Malaysia - apart from that they behaved very well. So, it was unexpected and we have to understand what happened exactly. I didn't back off too much with my rpm because I didn't run so much in China, because I changed the engine there, so the mileage was low on my engine and I wasn't really too concerned.

(Takehara Kusuda – Lapita) Fernando, what did you feel when you crossed the line?
FA: Well, when you win it is a really happy moment and this victory is even better because it was a complete surprise because we never thought at any moment yesterday or this morning that we could fight for victory. So, to win this race it was something more! It means a lot for the team, the Michelin guys, and the people who supported me in the last four months, which were not so good in the last four months.

(Mathias Brunner – Motorsport Aktuell) Fernando, what is your programme for Brazil?
FA: I have no tests and I think we have no PR. I think we have one small thing in Brazil on Wednesday, so I will fly on Tuesday night or morning to arrive there Tuesday night.

(Michael Schmidt – Auto Motor und Sport) Fernando, did you expect the tyre picture to change completely today?
FA: I was surprised, as I said. I think we were expecting a little bit closer the battle of the two tyres because yesterday it looked too much I think in Q2 when Michael did 28.9 and it was two seconds faster than anybody else and we knew more or less that in the race it would not be that picture. Two seconds every lap is not normal. We expected to close the gap, but not enough to fight with them. I think our tyres were the same Friday and Saturday and Sunday…So I think it was more of a drop of the Bridgestones, I believe.


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Felicit fanii echipei Renault pentru victoria de azi, si pentru Campionatele de anu asta (sa fin seriosi, e anul Renault).
Ne vedem la anu.

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QUOTE(cri123 @ 8 Oct 2006, 14:11)
Adevarul e ca cei care tin cu Ferrari nu par sa stie sa piarda...
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Te-as ruga sa nu generalizezi. Normal ca la suparare poate spui si ce n-ar trebui spus, trebuie sa te eliberezi cumva de incarcatura emotionala smile.gif
Un bun exemplu de cum ar trebui sa suporti o infrangere l-a dat insusi Campionul astazi si cred ca toti fanii ar trebui sa-i urmeze exemplul.


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Felicitari Fernando Alonso, Felicitari Giancarlo Fisichella si Felicitari Renault. Un rezultat extraordinar. Bravo.

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