Outline · [ Standard ] · Linear+ My new Dacia Logan, What I've found and driving experience

The REVs (or RPM) are limited by the injection computer. After the required kilometers for the engine to settle you can press full throttle in the parking area and you'll hear the engine hiccuping at 6000 - 6200 RPM so it's self-protected. You don't need to worry about max RPM. Just don't do that when the engine is cold !

The REVs (or RPM) are limited by the injection computer. After the required kilometers for the engine to settle you can press full throttle in the parking area and you'll hear the engine hiccuping at 6000 - 6200 RPM so it's self-protected. You don't need to worry about max RPM. Just don't do that when the engine is cold !

I've read that you can't overpass 5500 rpm, indeed if you press full throttle, since at this point injection computer close injection (self-protecting I mean). So 6000 or 6200 rpm will not be real powering.

I've done 1500 km, so I'm starting to overpass 3500 rpm (max 4100 rpm, I haven't needed more) when car is weighed (at third, forth speed), and I feel motor stronger (but it isn't much noisier yet).

Has anybody tried 6% slope? 3500 rpm aren't enough for 120 km/h.

This post has been edited by titoasturies: 18 Dec 2006, 17:25

you can press full throttle in the parking area and you'll hear the engine hiccuping at 6000 - 6200 RPM so it's self-protected. You don't need to worry about max RPM.

Just don't do that when the engine is cold !

You just dont do that FULL STOP!
Why the hell do you want to thrash your motor on a carpark hoping it will hickup at 6000 revs .That is one of the daftest things I have read on this forum
Stu (amazed)

This post has been edited by martin245: 18 Dec 2006, 20:26

You just dont do that FULL STOP!
Why the hell do you want to thrash your motor on a carpark hoping it will hickup at 6000 revs .That is one of the daftest things I have read on this forum
Stu (amazed)

My sentiments exactly!

Well... I don't know about you but I bought a car with 90 BHp (1.6 MPI) and I intend to use them all. This means that when I need to go full throttle I just do it.

You might say that it's crazy but go ask some Renault engineer and they'll tell you that the engine feels just fine at that RPM (at least those that I've asked told me that it's ok).

The limit is exactly put so that you won't thrash your engine so... I don't see the problem.

I don't do it myself but it happened when the acceleration cable stuck and oh-boy... the noise ! The engine is perfectly fine to this day so there is no problem. Just because the noise is infernal (especialy if you lift up the bonnet/hood) doesn't mean that it's wrong. Useless ? ... for most of the people for sure ! But not for the curious ones and certainly not a problem if you just do it once.

Note that there's no limit imposed to the driver by the manufacturer on the RPMs and there's no "red zone" on the dash-board indicator. I think it just says that you should change when you feel it's needed... if I remember right.

So, when you go on the autobahn and you have about 170 - 180 Km/H you should watch the RPMs as well. It should say about 5500 and that's with load ! In the parking lot it should be much easier for the engine to deal with with the high RPMs.

So, what's the real problem in reving it up ? You should not do it with a cold engine however because it increases the wear.

This post has been edited by DigitalScribe: 19 Dec 2006, 15:56

First of all I don't the remember the RPM-s at maximum speed, but I don't think that they where over 6000.

I don't see the point of reving the engine to the maximum on a parking lot. As for driving on a highway, I don't think it's a good idea to drive any machine on it's absolute maximum for a longer period of time.

My car has been injured by somebody who put his foot over motor door and kicked on the left side of boot. Three weeks my car has been save before somebody has crashed my car...

I won't upload pictures, I'm not going to make pictures...

I don't know if I'll be able to repair, at moment at least no, because I'm not rich and I have just bought and paid it...

People...

My car has been injured by somebody who put his foot over motor door and kicked on the left side of boot. Three weeks my car has been save before somebody has crashed my car...

I won't upload pictures, I'm not going to make pictures...

I don't know if I'll be able to repair, at moment at least no, because I'm not rich and I have just bought and paid it...

People...

Hola tito,

I'm really sorry to read it, you seem to be so happy with your car... I know what it is like and how you feel, but there's nothing you can do, try not to think too much about. Have you asked how much will it cost you to repair it ? Maybe it won't be that much..

Animo y un saludo !!!

That's a very sad thing to hear about your car.
I try to put myself in your shoes and I think I understand your situation.
Bad things happen for no reason in the most inconvenient times.
I don't want to lecture you about the insurance usefullness because I'm sure you already bang your had in some wall asking yourself why this happened now.
I just hope you get somehow the money to repair it and use it many happy years from now on. I hope you have friends and familly to rely on in this unfortunate issue.
I wish you a fortunate hollydays and a fruitfull next year that will help you repair your car !

No other word for it than BASTARDS
Stu

But send us Photographs show the world what the Morons get up to in your town

This post has been edited by martin245: 23 Dec 2006, 00:54

I'm so sorry Tito but don't worry about it, sh*t happens, I'm sure you will be able to fix it and it will be brand new again.
Digital, I thought there wasn't a red zone on the dash board indicator because of the low costs purpose...

Many thanks to all...

I can't afford to repaire right now, but I hope to save enough money soon, maybe in a pair of months.

But somebody has cut radio antenna on Christmas day. A very good present for this day...

I hope it to be the last. But windwippers are very interesting for breaking too... Maybe next week...

Here in Spain is very usual new cars to be damaged intentionally only for the very reason to be new. But normally antenna-cutting or key-crashing (I don't know how to say it in English, I mean take a key to make a very deep line in car surface), not bumping by hand.

If somebody has collided with my car, well, it's everyday, but make bumps by hand...

Maybe, when next letter on plates appear, my car becames save.

I think you need a car alarm on your car !! Or a Big Bulldog !
These people that are damaging your car are mindless dirt
they are scum and need to be sorted out .
Get some mates together and go and get them .Break a few fingers OR arms
Stu

¨Maybe, when next letter on plates appear, my car becames save.¨ Muy buena...

Le: You dont have a courtyard or a garrage to park your car?

This post has been edited by DiMaggio: 26 Dec 2006, 19:13

I park it in a garage but when I go downtown...

It was with daylight in the very centre of the town...

So, here it is... my new one!
It is a new redesign, for 2007.

The kids obviously love it, and so does their dad

It is exactly a month old today, around 350 km so far.
The pictures were made a couple of days after I got my hands on it

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Nice car ! What do you mean by a redesign for 2007 it looks just like mine
Stu

Nice car ! What do you mean by a redesign for 2007 it looks just like mine
Stu

Well, people have already been posting on this forum about this redesign. Changes are minimal, and cannot be seen on my photos. I think that the front of the car isn't changed at all. On the rear end there is now a little spoiler, which makes it really nicer now , and the new knob for opening the trunk without using a key.

From the inside, there are also only some slight changes, like different shape of the gear handle, and the stock radio-cd is of a different make (Blaupunkt) with detachable face-plate. Unfortunately, the on-board computer functions have also changed, so that there is no more indication of the immediate fuel consumption.

What is also new for this redesign is that color palette has changed. Some colors are no longer available, like pearl-gray metallic which I personally liked very much, but there are some new colors, like that one on my car (platinum-gray metallic), or comet gray metallic, very dark color which some people are mistaking for black, which is also one of my favorite!

In my opinion, because the black plastic parts of the bumpers blend with this dark color, it gives it particularly sophisticated look, and not, as I have read some comments here, the look of the funeral car! In fact, I would probably choose that color over this one, if it was only available at that moment !

About fuel consumption:

First 345 km with 42 l of 95 oct. unleaded petrol, or somewhat arround 12.2 l per 100 km, of mostly short run city drive (actually almost worst conditions for fuel consumption - cold weather, cold motor, up to 3 km length of the run, a lot of waiting on the semaphores).

Otherwise, on 8 km run with warm engine, of mostly straight road with very few semaphores, mostly constant rpm arround 2500-3000, avg. speed of arround 60 kmph, consumption was arround 7 l per 100 km.

Similar distance, also with warm engine, but typical city drive with a lot of semaphores and rather dense traffic, some part of the drive up-hill, consumption was around 8.5 l per 100 km.

All numbers as indicated by the on-board computer. Indication by the computer is acurate when compared to the real calculation after refueling!

g100sic, very nice photos. Especially the first one, with the happy/proud/beautiful kids. Enjoy your car!

g100sic, very nice photos. Especially the first one, with the happy/proud/beautiful kids. Enjoy your car!

Thanks, I wish you the same!
Whatever you prefer... nice photos, nice kids, or nice car

the black plastic parts of the bumpers blend with this dark color

g100sic - you can always have the black plastic parts on your car painted to match the car's color.

g100sic - you can always have the black plastic parts on your car painted to match the car's color. 

Well, why should I do the painting when the factory decided to do it instead, promoting it as a new equipment package class named "Prestige", higher priced than "Laureate" So, with comet gray color you get a car that looks higher priced, which makes my point!

It does not need painting and it is good to have plastic bumpers because the plastic takes all the impact of stones wasps bricks bullets tin cans bottles and any other stuff that can be found on the road
realy though i find the black plastic better
Stu

why should I do the painting when the factory decided to do it instead, promoting it as a new equipment package class named "Prestige

You don't have a Prestige.

Go here guys and you will love this one LOGAN FILM
it is from Germany (Yes they do have a sense of humoure )
Stu

It's good...

Very beautiful Logan, not often I meet dacia in Spain. Wide ways for you.

This post has been edited by tirowiec: 13 Feb 2007, 12:02

Impressions after 1500 km, and after one longer open-road trip.

My trip was around 660 km total in both directions, 450 of which was on the freeway, and the rest on the regional road passing through a couple of towns, including waiting on a few semaphores. As one might notice, for the first 160 km of the trip I had to obey running-in restrictions, but even without revving it up over 3500 rpm I was able to reach the speed limit of 120 km/h, and even a bit more than that (the average speed on that part of the trip was around 115 km/h as indicated by the onboard computer).

On the return, free from running-in limitations, I took the opportunity to hit the gas pedal a bit harder . In 5th gear, at somewhat over 4000 rpm, I drove some time at more then 150 km/h, but dropped back to around 120 km/h after the average consumption indication started to rise noticeably. The handling of the car at that speed was in my opinion very good, steering wheel with hydraulic servo giving a lot of "feedback", which I prefer to the newest electrical servo systems, so soft that one can loose the necessary feeling for the road. As does every model of the car, Logan also has a "resonant" speed, at which the chassis starts quivering, and it turned out to be at just under 150 km/h. The quivering was not so disturbing though, and was in fact less than what I experienced before with a couple of other car models of some famous makes (Opel, WV, I simply have to mention them here ). The "resonant quivering" disappeared gradually as I accelerated above 150 km/h.

I had some concerns regarding handling under side winds, being that Logan has rather large silhouette, especially height, for its weight of less then 1000 kilos. But again it proved better then some other cars that I had experience with, swinging very little as I was passing by the big trucks and busses.

Although the weather was very good and the road was dry, at one occasion I had to hit the brakes hard enough for the ABS to kick in, and it did its work as designed, with no surprises. The feeling is a bit unpleasant, though, as it makes noises strange to the unaccustomed ears, and causes shaking of the car, but still keeps the direction straight. As much as it is reliable, it is unpleasant enough that you don't wish to get yourself into situation to need it too often .

As for the comfort in the cabin, I must say that I'm very satisfied with that aspect too. Noise level at speeds up to 120 km/h was decently low, allowing listening to the music and conversation at the same time. Wind noise becomes significant above 120 km/h, and engine noise above 4000 rpm, both of which are actually rarely needed in normal everyday use. Driving position is also very comfortable, as I was not tired after spending nearly 8 hours behind the wheel. I drove for 3.5 hours on the return leg of the journey without the need to stop and stretch the legs. I think that the lumbar area adjustment of the driver seat is to be credited for that . There is one issue to be mentioned though; the support for the right foot on the gas pedal is not so good, which might cause muscles to start burning over the longer period. The amount of stiffness of the suspension was just to my liking, which may seem too hard when you climb on the sidewalks of the streets, but absorbing the normal road irregularities with just enough smoothness at higher speeds.

I managed to complete the trip on one fuel tank, that is, without refueling, and after completing the trip I had to fill 45 l of fuel, which gives an average fuel consumption of around 6.9 l/100km. It was interesting to compare the real consumption to the indication by the onboard computer, which read somewhat over 43 liters of fuel burned, or an average of 6.7 l/100km, so the difference was around 3%. The result, that is, the error of the reading, was similar with other onboard computer parameters, for example the average speed, so, it can be considered reliable enough to put your trust in it, for example when planning the remaining distance till refueling .

My overall impression so far is very, very good, showing yet again that a good car can be built without having to cost a bunch of money. The only thing remaining for me to test now is the air conditioning, and I'm really looking forward to it!

Impressions after 1500 km, and after one longer open-road trip.

My trip was around 660 km total in both directions, 450 of which was on the freeway, and the rest on the regional road passing through a couple of towns, including waiting on a few semaphores. As one might notice, for the first 160 km of the trip I had to obey running-in restrictions, but even without revving it up over 3500 rpm I was able to reach the speed limit of 120 km/h, and even a bit more than that (the average speed on that part of the trip was around 115 km/h as indicated by the onboard computer).

On the return, free from running-in limitations, I took the opportunity to hit the gas pedal a bit harder .  In 5th gear, at somewhat over 4000 rpm, I drove some time at more then 150 km/h, but dropped back to around 120 km/h after the average consumption indication started to rise noticeably. The handling of the car at that speed was in my opinion very good, steering wheel with hydraulic servo giving a lot of "feedback", which I prefer to the newest electrical servo systems, so soft that one can loose the necessary feeling for the road. As does every model of the car, Logan also has a "resonant" speed, at which the chassis starts quivering, and it turned out to be at just under 150 km/h. The quivering was not so disturbing though, and was in fact less than what I experienced before with a couple of other car models of some famous makes (Opel, WV, I simply have to mention them here ). The "resonant quivering" disappeared gradually as I accelerated above 150 km/h.

I had some concerns regarding handling under side winds, being that Logan has rather large silhouette, especially height, for its weight of less then 1000 kilos. But again it proved better then some other cars that I had experience with, swinging very little as I was passing by the big trucks and busses.

Although the weather was very good and the road was dry, at one occasion I had to hit the brakes hard enough for the ABS to kick in, and it did its work as designed, with no surprises. The feeling is a bit unpleasant, though, as it makes noises strange to the unaccustomed ears, and causes shaking of the car, but still keeps the direction straight. As much as it is reliable, it is unpleasant enough that you don't wish to get yourself into situation to need it too often .

As for the comfort in the cabin, I must say that I'm very satisfied with that aspect too. Noise level at speeds up to 120 km/h was decently low, allowing listening to the music and conversation at the same time. Wind noise becomes significant above 120 km/h, and engine noise above 4000 rpm, both of which are actually rarely needed in normal everyday use. Driving position is also very comfortable, as I was not tired after spending nearly 8 hours behind the wheel. I drove for 3.5 hours on the return leg of the journey without the need to stop and stretch the legs. I think that the lumbar area adjustment of the driver seat is to be credited for that . There is one issue to be mentioned though; the support for the right foot on the gas pedal is not so good, which might cause muscles to start burning over the longer period. The amount of stiffness of the suspension was just to my liking, which may seem too hard when you climb on the sidewalks of the streets, but absorbing the normal road irregularities with just enough smoothness at higher speeds.

I managed to complete the trip on one fuel tank, that is, without refueling, and after completing the trip I had to fill 45 l of fuel, which gives an average fuel consumption of around 6.9 l/100km. It was interesting to compare the real consumption to the indication by the onboard computer, which read somewhat over 43 liters of fuel burned, or an average of 6.7 l/100km, so the difference was around 3%. The result, that is, the error of the reading, was similar with other onboard computer parameters, for example the average speed, so, it can be considered reliable enough to put your trust in it, for example when planning the remaining distance till refueling .

My overall impression so far is very, very good, showing yet again that a good car can be built without having to cost a bunch of money. The only thing remaining for me to test now is the air conditioning, and I'm really looking forward to it!

Thank you very much for your comments.
Greetings