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post 28 Mar 2019, 12:01
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E interzis sa rasen betreten? Adica n-ai voie sa bati pas de defilare, sau ce inseamna?


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post 28 Mar 2019, 12:22
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(n-ai voie) Sa calci iarba.

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post 28 Mar 2019, 12:22
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De pe Google Translate "rasen betreten verboten" = Do not enter the lawn.
Cred ca se refera (mai ales ca asa arata si semnul) sa nu calci pe iarba.


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post 28 Mar 2019, 13:49
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de fumat e ok? iarba ma refer


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post 28 Mar 2019, 15:17
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Da, in principiu poti fuma oriunde in aer liber, inclusiv pe iarba. Sunt totusi anumite obiective unde e interzis, din motive lesne de inteles, cum ar fi in benzinarii.


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post 28 Mar 2019, 16:13
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QUOTE(einstein1984 @ 28 Mar 2019, 15:49)
de fumat e ok? iarba ma refer


Doar cu aprobare de la tovarasa soldat din primul basorelief.


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Miercuri, 19.09.2018 - Partea a IX-a

Vedere dinspre poarta de intrare.

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Obeliscul.

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La baza obeliscului sunt mentionati probabil diversi eroi sovietici

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cum ar fi capitanul Lisenkov.

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O tentativa de torta

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de pe care nu lipsesc secera si ciocanul.

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Steaua sovietica.

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Pe lateral, langa zid, sunt amplasate mormintele unor soldati.

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Unii mai sunt vizitati si azi de catre urmasi.

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Ceva similat am vazut in 2017 in Normandia, pe plaja Omaha, in memoria unui soldat american. Doar ca acolo am inteles mesajul.

Mormintele sunt amplasate pe toata lungimea zidurilor interioare.

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Simetrie.

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Obeliscul vazut mai de la distanta.

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post 26 May 2020, 21:31
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Joi, 20.09.2018

Parcarea de biciclete a garii din Potsdam.

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Statia de S-Bahn Berlin Wannsee [daca nu ma insel, astea sunt litere gotice].

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Din fata statie de tren pleaca un autobuz care, dupa cateva statii, opreste chiar in poarta Casei Conferintei de la Wannsee.

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Adica locul in care, pe 20.01.1942 s-au adunat mai multi baieti din guvernul Germaniei [naziste] si din SS ca sa discute despre implementarea "Solutiei finale" a problemei evreiesti din Germania si terioriile ocupate de acesta. Si mai simplu: deportarea tuturor evreilor [aflati sub jurisdicitie germana] in principal in lagarele din Polonia si exterminarea acestora.

Placutz trilingv in germana, engleza si ebraica.

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Vizitarea este gratuita.

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Intrarea in vila, dinspre strada.

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Populatia evreiasca in Europa, Orientul Mijlociu si Nordul Africii, la nivelul anului 1933.

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La o privire mai atenta, din harta de mai jos, se observa faptul ca evreii constituiau aproape 10% din populatia Polonie [in RO era doar 4,5%], Varsovia fiind cel mai mare oras evreiesc din lume, dupa New York.

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Ca fapt divers, este interesanta si harta Poloniei intebelice. Pe langa faptul deja cunoscut ca avea grantia cu Romania, se observa ca si Vilnius, actuala capitala a Lituaniei, atunci era in Polonia [Wilna in poloneza] iar capitala Lituaniei era la Kaunas.

Din aceiasi harta se observa faptul ca in anul 1933, in Palestina [aflata sub mandat britanic] populatia evreiasca nu depasea 20%.

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Placa de la intrarea in vila.

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Traducere [Google translate, rog imbunatatire daca este cazul]:
"Infama Conferinta de la Wannsee a avut loc in acesta casa in ianuarie 1942.
Pentru comemorarea evreilor care au murit urmare a violentei regimului national socialist
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post 27 May 2020, 07:08
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Misto vila totusi


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post 27 May 2020, 21:07
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Nu aveau gusturi rele nazistii. Se imbracu de la Hugo Boss, se plimbau cu Mercedesul, ascultau Wagner, etc. Pacat ca regimul lor era cam totalitar.

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La intrarea in muzeu sunt prezentati, in ordine numerelor de pe tricou, cei 15 participanti ca conferinta, plus o scurta descriere a fiecaruia.

Dr. Josef Buhler.

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Adolf Eichmann.

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Dr. Roland Freisler.

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Reinhard Heydrich.

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Otto Hofmann.

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post 31 May 2020, 22:17
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Dr. Gerhard Klopfer.

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Wilhelm Krtitzinger.

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Dr. Rudolf Lange.

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Dr. Georg Leibbrandt.

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Martin Luther.

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post 1 Jun 2020, 22:20
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Joi, 20.09.2018 - Partea a IV-a

Dr. Alfred Meyer.

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Heinrich Muller.

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Erich Neumann.

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Dr. Eberhard Schongarth.

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Dr. Wilhelm Stuckart.

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post 3 Jun 2020, 20:53
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Joi, 20.09.2018 - Partea a V-a

Initial, Conferinta de la Wannsee era programata pentru data de 09.12.1941, insa a trebuit amanata datorita declararii razboiului impotriva Statelor Unite.

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Parte din invitatia facuta de Heydrich.

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Invitatia adresata lui Otto Hofmann.

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Si traducerea invitatiei.

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post 7 Jun 2020, 21:44
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Joi, 20.09.2018 - Partea a VI-a

"Suprematia" rasei albe.

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Despre antisemitism.

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Legenda "pumnalului infipt in spate" de catre social democrati sustinuti de evrei, conform careia Germania a pierdut Primul Razboi Mondial.

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Despre evreii din Estul Europei.

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Legile de la Nurnberg, din 15.09.1935.

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Noaptea de cristal.

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Excluderea evreilor din societatea germana.

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Rezistenta evreilor din Bielorusia din perioada 1941 - 1944, precum si emigrarea lor in Statele Unite si Israel dupa razboi.

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Tuvia Bielski.

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Fotografie de grup cu Tuvia si partizanii lui.

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post 11 Jun 2020, 22:18
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Joi, 20.09.2018 - Partea a VII-a

O cugetare a lui Adolf din 1939 despre vechea si eterna ciorba extremista reincalzita a finantei evreiesti.

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Macar omu' a fost consecvent pentru ca si in testamentul politic tot despre asta vorbea.

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Cateva cugetari ale supravietuitorilor lagarelor naziste sau ale urmasilor acestora.

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Cateva dintre cele mai importante lagare.

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Gestul spontan al lui Willy Brandt din decembrie 1970 din Varsovia.

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Din pacate, sala nr. 9, cea in care a avut loc intalnirea propriu-zisa, era inchisa pentru restaurare.

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Numele lui Adolf Eichmann scris in ebraica.

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Adica unul dintre motivele pentru care Germania inca plateste compensatii Israelului si nu numai, ca urmare a politicii de exterminare a evreilor dusa de Eichmann si prietenii lui.

Lacul Wannsee.

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Vila vazuta dinspre lac.

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post 23 Jun 2020, 22:58
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Joi, 20.09.2018 - Partea a VIII-a

Statia de S-Bahn "Stadionul Olimpic".

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10 peroane [n-am resuit sa le prind pe toate in poza].

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Si iesirele care se deschid in caz de meci / alt eveniment de pe stadion.

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La poarta stadionului.

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Biletul de intrare [fara tur ghidat] a costat 8 Euro.

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Mare parte din constructie este cea ramasa de la nazisti din anii '30.

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Stadion de 5 stele.

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Magazinul clubului Herta Berlin,

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in care se vindeau atat halate de baie

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cat si [probabil] echipamentul pentru meciurile de pe teren propriu si cele din deplasare.

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Joi, 20.09.2018 - Partea a IX-a

Interiorul

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si acoperisul.

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Unul dintre inele stadionului.

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Femeile fac mai putin pipi.

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Stadionul de natatie.

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Plus un loc pentru calarie / sarituri peste obstacole. Sigur are o denumire, pe care nu o cunosc.

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E un manej.


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Joi, 20.09.2018 - Partea a X-a

Stanga, spre clopotnita.

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Clopotnita de 77 m inaltime

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si baza acesteia.

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Ce se vede in ziua de azi a fost reconstruit in perioada 1960 - 1962, dupa planurile originale. Clopotnita originala a fost incendiata de catre sovietici apoi demolata de catre britanici.

Postere de propaganda anti-nazista legate de Jocurile Olimpice din 1936.

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In partea superioara se urca cu liftul pana la nivelul clopotului [construit la inceputul anilor '60].

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Apoi, se urca pe o scara metalica amplasata in jurul clopotului pentru a se ajunge la platforma superioara.

Stadionul, vazut de la peste 70 m inaltime

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plus Berlinul

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si periferiile sale.

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Sferele care se vad pe fundal in ultima poza sunt ceea ce a mai ramas din fosta statie de asculatare americane de la Teufelsberg.
Mai multe detalii: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teufelsberg

In rest, din ultimele poze se observa foarte bine faptul ca Berlinul este inconjurat, pe mare distanta, de padure. Combinat cu un transport public aproape perfect si cu peste 600 km de piste pentru biciclete fac din Berlin unul dintre cele mai eficiente orase din Europa in ceea ce priveste calitatea vietii locuitorilor sai. Cum spuneam la inceputul povestii, niste idioti.

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post 1 Jul 2020, 06:50
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Mai pune si parcela imensa a fostului aeroport si ai padure IN oras


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Padurea exista in centrul orasului. Se numeste Tiergarten si are (parca) 210 hectare. Bine, nemtii, din motive pe care nu le cunosc, se ambitioneaza sa-i spuna parc.

Iar la fostul aeroport (cred ca la Tempelhof te referi) sunt niste spatii imenese cu iarba, fara padure, spatii pe care oamenii vin sa se recreeze, la picnic, la plaja, la inaltat zmee, etc.
Iar fostele piste (ramase intacte) sunt folosite pentru plimbari cu bicicleta, rolele, trotineta, etc (vehiculele motorizate nu au voie).

Ajungem (de fapt ne reintoarecem) cu povestea si la Tempelhof. Insa pana atunci, repet: nemtii de la Berlin sunt niste idioti, pentru ca au reusit sa face un oras pentru oameni si nu unul pentru masini si rechini imobiliari. Da-i dracu' de saracii.

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Pai si la noi si la ei dupa 45 s-a reconstruit, la ei au ras americanii si rusii, la noi ceausescu. Dar au avut obiective diferite la reconstructie.


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post 1 Jul 2020, 22:06
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Joi, 20.09.2018 - Partea a XI-a

Inapoi la stadion. Poarta Maraton.

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De la Jocurile Olimpice din 1936.

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Suportul flacarii olimpice. Daca nu ma insel, este cel original din '36.

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Stadionul, vazut din alt unghi.

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Printre altele, pe acest stadion s-a jucat finala Cupei Mondiale din 2006, castigata de Italia in fata Frantei [5-3 la penalty-uri].

Acoperisul tribunelor.

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Clopotul olimpic original din 1936.

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Langa stadion exista aleea Jesse Owens.

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In memoria atletului afro-american care i-a linistit pe nazisti referitor la teoria suprematiei rasei albe ariene.

Mai simplu, Jesse Owens, cu 4 medalii de aur, a fost starul jocurilor din '36.

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Cu toate astea, nici in Statele Unite situatia nu era prea buna pentru un atlet afro-american. La receptia organizata in onoarea sa la Waldorf Astoria din New York, Jesse nu a putut intre pe intrarea principala si a fost nevoit sa foloseasca un lift de marfa ca sa ajunga in sala unde avea loc evenimentul. Plus ca presedintele F.D. Roosevelt nu l-a invitat la Casa Alba.

Inapoi la statia de S-Bahn Stadionul Olimpic. Din cele 10 linii, 8 sunt rezervate trenurilor care duc / aduc spectatori si doar doua sunt folosite in mod uzual.

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post 2 Jul 2020, 22:42
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Joi, 20.09.2018 - Partea a XII-a

Cimitirul militar al Commonwealth-ului din Berlin.

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Ofensiva aeriana aliata si mai ales strategia de demoralizare a populatiei civile prin bombardamante intensive

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plus rata de deces a aviatorilor aliati de 44%.

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Despre cimitir si cei "cazati" aici, inclusiv dupa razboi.

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The Commonwealth War Grave Commision, un fel de Cultul Eroilor care administereaza cimitire militare in aproape 150 de tari.

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O statistica, pe nationalitati.

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Locul in care se pastreaza registrele cimitirului.

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Primul este registrul de evidenta al celor ingropati aici.

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Al doilea este registrul pentru impresiile vizitatorilor.

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Joi, 20.09.2018 - Partea a XIII-a

Cimitirul.

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Un necunoscut.

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Pietre funerare ale soldatilor de diverse nationalitati, cum ar fi:

britanica

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neo-zeelandeza

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canadiana

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sikh

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hindu

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si musulmana [probabil pakistanez, pentru ca India Britanica curpindea, pe langa India de azi, Pakistan si Bangaldesh].

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Chiar exista o intreaga parcela musulmana.

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Si "Stone of Remembrance", monument prezent in orice cimitir militar al Commonwealth-ului care contine cel putin 1000 de morminte.

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Poarta Brandemburg, la ceas de seara.

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Si o pista de bicicleta din zona [din reteaua de peste 600 km de piste a Berlinului]

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post 7 Jul 2020, 23:12
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Ai impresia ca toti musulmanii din fosta colonie britanica sunt in Pakistan si Bangladesh? Vezi ca si-n India sunt vreo 15% musulmani.


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post 8 Jul 2020, 09:22
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@tatabobu

Am spus "probabil pakistanez", insa probabil ti-a scapat.

Si, daca tot am ajuns aici, gasesti mai jos fisa lui Sardar Khan (17 ani, decedat pe 16.12.1944), de unde rezulta ca omul era din Pakistan (de azi).

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Sursa: https://www.cwgc.org/find-war-dead/casualty.../sardar-khan,-/

Chakrala se afla la vreo 200 sud-vest de Islamabad, in districtul Meanwali, provincia Punjab

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In 47 si-a castigat Pakistanul independenta , deci in 44 erau indieni...


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@einstein1984

OK, in '44 omul era indian (musulman), provenit dintr-o parte a Indiei care dupa '47 a devenit Pakistan. Acum sper ca este clar ce am vrut sa spun.


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Mda. Daca e s-o luam pe ce se intelege folosind topica limbii romane, de fapt ai spus:

[probabil pakistanez, pentru ca India Britanica curpindea, pe langa India de azi, Pakistan si Bangaldesh]

Din acel "pentru ca India cuprindea inca doua tari actuale" se intelege ca, exceptand stramosii actualilor cetateni pakistani si bangla, India nu (prea) cuprindea musulmani. Asta asa, daca e sa ne asumam cele spuse, si nu cele pe care am vrut sa le sau am crezut ca le-am spus.


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@tatabobu
Vezi ce i-am raspuns lui @einstein1984 o postare mai sus fata de postarea ta. Sau si asta ti-a scapat?

In plus, ti-am dat si fisa de evidenta a omului, din care rezulta ca provenea din India britanica / actualul Pakistan.

Unde am spus eu, negru pe alb, ca in India, britanica sau republicana, nu exista o comunitate musulmana?

Partea buna a acestei discutii este ca am aflat despre existenta acelor fise de evidenta pentru fiecare "locatar" din cimitir. Mersi. Altfel nu as fi stiut despre existenta lor.

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Vineri, 21.09.2018

Ziua plecarii. Ultima cafea bauta pe tereasa butoiului.

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Tasnitoarea din fata garii din Potsdam

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pe care am remarcat-o abia in ultima zi, desi treceam zilnic prin fata ei. Iar cu o seara inainte, am dat aproape 3 euro pe o sticla de apa de 0,5 litri la un fast-food din gara deoarece la Kaufland era inchis cand am ajuns.

Biscuitii identici la pret cu cei din RO.

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Pentru fumatorii de tigari rulate, tutunul asta de la Camel, usor umed [5 euro / 30 grame] chiar este bun.

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In gara centrala, un afis prin care calatorii erau indrumati spre alte locatii in care existau cutii pentru lasat bagajul.

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Unul dintre reperele Berlinului pe care nu am apucat sa-l vad in 2016.

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Vizita este gratuita.

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Mesajul de intampinare.

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O scurta biografie.

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Vineri, 21.09.2018 - Partea a II-a

Tineretea si exilul din Scandinavia.

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Politica in Berlinul divizat.

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Harta orasului in perioada 1945 - 1990.

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Revenirea in Germania.

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In calitate de primar [al Berlinului de Vest], alaturi de Kennedy si celebrul discurs al acestuia din Berlin.

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In vizita la Casa Alba.

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1 Mai 1959. Mesaj clar catre Uniunea Sovietica.

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