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post 22 Jun 2005, 12:19
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Se pare ca Logan a obtinut urmatoarele rezultate la EuroNCAP:

Protectie pasageri: 3 stele
Protectie pietoni: 1 stea
Protectie copii: 3 stele

Detalii:
- Test Scores: Front 8 (50%), Side 11 (61%) => Overall 19
- Pedestrian 5 (14%)
- Child Protection 31 (63%)

Quite impressive.. Its master has taught her well.. wink.gif


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post 22 Jun 2005, 14:27
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EuroNCAP va publica oficial rezultatele pt urmatorul lot de masini testate (incluzand Logan) pe 28 iunie.
http://www.euroncap.com/content/media/downloads.php?view=pr

Mai multe detalii despre ID-ul "sursei" mele n-am de gand sa dau.
Cine ma crede bine, cine nu, mai vorbim pe 28...

P.S. Cred ca as putea face rost si de rezultatele lui Fiat Stilo, Smart Forfour, Clio III, daca intereseaza pe cineva. Dar la cum a evoluat topicul pana acuma, ma cam indoiesc...

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@maddan, esti sigur ca noile rezultate se anunta maine? Pe site-ul EuroNCAP scrie 28 iunie, la fel si in mailul pe care l-am primit de la ei.

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post 22 Jun 2005, 14:34
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@b64chr: modelul de 1.4, cu airbag sofer + pasager.


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cica testeaza o masina aleasa la intamplare din modelul cea mai bine vandut ..........(echipare , motorizare).....asa zic ei.....va dati seama ce ar iesi.cu modelele vandute la noi.....dar cred ca-l testeaza pe cel comercializat in vest......

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post 22 Jun 2005, 15:38
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Aici scrie ceva:
http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/news/56240/lo...safety_row.html
A Renault UK spokesman told us: "We understand two Dacias were crashed, yet only the results of the first have been reported, even though there was a significant difference between the two cars. The second gave a much better performance." He said with twin airbags and ABS, the Dacia Logan offers comparable or better safety features than other new vehicles of a similar price, and is likely to get a three-star Euro NCAP safety rating.

Iar aici zice ca vor publica scorul final NCAP maine, pe 23 iunie:
http://www.whatcar.com/News_SpecialReport.asp?NA_ID=215178

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post 28 Jun 2005, 09:20
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Tuesday, 28 June 2005

Euro NCAP announces 'Highest Scoring Car'

Euro NCAP, Europe's leading independent crash test organisation, has confirmed that the Peugeot's 1007 becomes the highest scoring car ever in all classes for adult occupant protection. The Peugeot is also Best in the Super Mini Class and is one of seven cars to be awarded the coveted five star adult occupant rating. Other crashworthiness results for executive cars, family cars, small family cars, super-minis and small MPV's will be launched at a press conference today (28 June) in Stockholm co-hosted by Euro NCAP and the Swedish Road Administration (SRA).

'Best in Class' awards for adult occupant protection were also announced for the Lexus GS300 (executive) and Mercedes A-Class (small family). Seven cars have achieved the four star Euro NCAP rating for child protection. While Honda's FR-V and Suzuki's Swift are awarded the three star Euro NCAP rating for pedestrian protection.

In this phase, intelligent seat belt reminders for rear seat occupants have been introduced by Peugeot in their 1007 and by Mercedes in their A-Class. Two cars reported on in earlier phases, the Renault Laguna and Renault Vel Satis have had their Seat Belt Reminder systems extended to cover the Front Passenger. All of this is significant, as increased seat belt wearing rates are essential if we are to maximise the enormous safety gains achieved by Euro NCAP over recent years and save the 7,000 fatalities attributed to non-belt use in Europe.

Claes Tingvall, Euro NCAP Chairman said,

"It is gratifying to see that more than half of the cars tested in this phase achieved the top five star rating for adult occupant protection and that three of the cars achieved the 'Best in Class' accolade, giving Europe's car buyers a wider range of safe cars than ever before to choose from.

"I am encouraged to see that more cars than ever are achieving the four Star Child Protection rating, when the recommended restraint is used. This is a very welcome development, but it is important to note that the rating applies only to the car in combination with the particular restraint used.

"Many manufacturers are now focussed on pedestrian protection and are making a good deal of progress in improving protection for pedestrians and other vulnerable road users, although some are still lagging behind.

"I would urge all manufacturers to use the Best in Class as their bench mark and for everyone to redouble their efforts in this important safety area.

"All but one of the cars was fitted with some form of seat belt reminder and I am delighted to see the increased fitment of belt reminders for all seating positions.

"Many cars can now be purchased with Stability Control. Accident research has shown that such systems help the driver maintain control of the car and the research shows that if all cars in Europe were fitted with stability control, thousands of lives could be saved. The benefits are large enough for Euro NCAP to strongly recommend all car buyers to choose a car with stability control, additional information can be found on www.euroncap.com."

Summary of Results

Superminis:

Peugeot 1007
Occupant Protection: 5 stars
Child Protection: 3 stars
Pedestrian Protection: 2 star

Renault Clio
Occupant Protection: 5 stars
Child Protection: 4 stars
Pedestrian Protection: 1 star

Citroën C1
Occupant Protection: 4 stars
Child Protection: 3 stars
Pedestrian Protection: 2 star

Suzuki Swift
Occupant Protection: 4 stars
Child Protection: 3 stars
Pedestrian Protection: 3 star

smart forfour
Occupant Protection: 4 stars
Child Protection: 2 stars
Pedestrian Protection: 1 star

Small Family Cars:

Mercedes A-Class
Occupant Protection: 5 stars
Child Protection: 4 stars
Pedestrian Protection: 2 stars

Fiat Stilo
Occupant Protection: 4 stars
Child Protection: 4 stars
Pedestrian Protection: 1 stars

Dacia Logan
Occupant Protection: 3 stars
Child Protection: 3 stars
Pedestrian Protection: 1 star

Family Cars:

BMW 3-Series
Occupant Protection: 5 stars
Child Protection: 4 stars
Pedestrian Protection: 1 star

VW Passat
Occupant Protection: 5 stars
Child Protection: 4 stars
Pedestrian Protection: 2 stars

Executive Cars:

Lexus GS300
Occupant Protection: 5 stars
Child Protection: 4 stars
Pedestrian Protection: 2 star

Small MPVs:

Opel/Vauxhall Zafira
Occupant Protection: 5 stars
Child Protection: 4 stars
Pedestrian Protection: 2 stars

Honda FR-V
Occupant Protection: 4 stars
Child Protection: 3 stars
Pedestrian Protection: 3 stars


Dr Stephen Ladyman, United Kingdom Transport Minister, said,

" I am pleased that car manufacturers are continuing to improve their ratings in the independent Euro NCAP crash tests and are bringing forward systems that improve car occupant safety. I particularly welcome the uptake of measures to protect occupants during side impact and look forward to seeing further increases in the protective measures provided for this type of accident.

"But I would urge manufacturers to apply similar effort and ingenuity to protecting our children to redress the disappointing scores for child occupant protection".

Andrew Miller, Director of Research, Thatcham, said,

"Thatcham, as the representative of the British Insurers, welcomes the continued advance in adult passenger safety demonstrated in this latest set of ratings. However, we are concerned to note that the Dacia Logan, a vehicle designed for the accession states, has achieved a much lower safety rating than that typical in the wider European market."

David Ward, Director General of the FIA Foundation said,

"This launch is significant because for the first time Euro NCAP is recommending electronic stability control (ESC) as a key safety feature that consumers should look for when choosing a new car. Technology of this kind can be vital in helping to prevent a crash, and complements Euro NCAP's existing crash testing programme which focuses on minimising the consequences if a crash does occur. The new generation of safe car must combine technology for crash prevention as well as five star crash protection."

Dr Wilfried Klanner, Testing and Technical Manager for the ADAC said,

"The total result of Phase 16 confirmed the good results of the preceding phase. Passive vehicle safety has been continuously improved on a broad basis. Despite the variety of the selected vehicle classes the majority of the vehicles, once more, show a good safety standard.

"However, pedestrian protection still holds a large potential for improvement. Except for the Honda FR-V and the Suzuki Swift which achieved three stars, six car models achieved the two star rating but five others, a disappointing one star rating in pedestrian protection."

Guido Adriaenssens, ICRT Chief Executive said,

"Now that the vast majority of cars deliver adequate occupant protection in frontal and side impacts, only the Dacia Logan is lagging behind in the series of results presented today, Euro NCAP faces the challenge to extent its rating to new areas.

"Whiplash related injuries are an important social phenomenon. Car manufacturers tend to acknowledge that and introduce active systems in their cars. ICRT strongly supports initiatives within Euro NCAP to extend the program to include testing for Whiplash protection."

Ends

For more information contact:

Euro NCAP Secretariat
Tel: + 32 2 400 77 40
Email: office@euroncap.com

Editors note:

1. Organisations participating to Euro NCAP include the Departments of Transport of Sweden, The Netherlands, France, Germany, the United Kingdom and Catalonia as well as the European Commission, the FIA Foundation, the Allgemeiner Deutscher Automobil-Club (ADAC), Thatcham and the International Consumer Research and Testing (ICRT) on behalf of the European consumer organisations.

2. The results are announced in Stockholm.

3. Future Phases will continue with testing of new cars in all segments.

4. Australia has adopted the same testing protocols as Euro NCAP and they are publishing results from Euro NCAP that are applicable in their market. The Euro NCAP testing protocols are unique in that they include tests for front, side impact and pole impact and also gives information on pedestrian.

5. Euro NCAP introduced an additional star rating for child protection in November 2003. This rating is for a combination of a car with specific child seats that have been recommended by the car manufacturer. The combination can now earn up to five stars for child protection. The rating depends on the fitting instructions for the child seats, the car's ability to accommodate them safely and their performance in front and side impact tests. However, there are important limitations to this rating, which are:

. The child protection rating can not be used for the car alone, nor can it be used for the car with a different combination of child seats.
. The tested child seat alone does not have a child protection rating.
. The same child seat tested in combination with other cars may give a different child protection rating.

6. The front impact test is conducted at 64km/h (40mph) into an offset deformable barrier, the side impact test 50km/h (30mph), the pole test at 29km/h (18mph) and the pedestrian tests at 40km/h (25mph).

7. The full results will be on the web site www.euroncap.com from 28 June.


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post 28 Jun 2005, 09:26
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http://www.euroncap.com/content/media/down....php?view=image
http://www.euroncap.com/content/media/downloads.php?view=pr
As sublinia:
QUOTE(Andrew Miller @ Director of Research, Thatcham,)
“Thatcham, as the representative of the British Insurers, welcomes the continued advance in adult passenger safety demonstrated in this latest set of ratings. However, we are concerned to note that the Dacia Logan, a vehicle designed for the accession states, has achieved a much lower safety rating than that typical in the wider European market.

QUOTE(Guido Adriaenssens @ ICRT Chief Executive)
“Now that the vast majority of cars deliver adequate occupant protection in frontal and side impacts, only the Dacia Logan is lagging behind in the series of results presented today, Euro NCAP faces the challenge to extent its rating to new areas


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post 28 Jun 2005, 12:09
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post 28 Jun 2005, 12:28
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Eu de acolo am observat doar 2 probleme: 1. cea cu pedalierul (deplasarea lui) si 2. cea cu centurile de siguranta care creeaza tensiune prea mare pe piept.
In rest mie mi se pare chiar laudativ...


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post 28 Jun 2005, 12:29
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Occupant Protection: 3 stars
Child Protection: 3 stars
Eu cred, de fapt sunt convins, ca rezultatul este bun avand in vedere cu cine a fost comparat loganelul.
la faza cu "reno" clio sleep.gif oare chiar asa sa fie ?


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post 28 Jun 2005, 16:54
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QUOTE(costi @ 28 Jun 2005, 17:24)
da dar uite cum scriu toti ageamii!

Corect Costi! Fiecare am avut ocazia sa vedem macar o data cat de neprofesionalista este cea mai mare parte a presei. Goana dupa stiri negative si senzational (si bani) este un imbold la care multi din presa cedeaza prea usor. Un exemplu recent si banal. De curand am predat o masina in programul de innoire a parcului si am citit TOATA legislatia cu atentie. Ce aparea insa in presa erau numai urechisme si stiri cu jumatati de adevar.
Poate ar fi trebuit sa compare autoturisme din clase de gabarit si pret echivalent pentru a fi edificator. Renault este un campion al EuroNCAP, a stabilit un standard la care producatori cotati mai grozavi, o vreme, nu au putut decat sa se uite cu jind. Deci nu cred ca un produs proiectat de ei este asa un dezastru. Totul se reduce, in esenta, la bani.

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voi ce intelegeti din poza asta..........?????? blink.gif

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post 28 Jun 2005, 18:32
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asta-i nasol;
din prima poza rezulta ca ai avut doi copii si dupa teste doar unul!
Sistemul de prindere al scaunul copil e total aiurea si ar trebui avut in vedere de posesorii de Logan!
Eu sincer sa fiu am vazut afara ca scaunele de copii de prind cu fata in sensul invers de mers al masinii.
La Logan vad ca a fost pus invers si rezultatele se vad.


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post 28 Jun 2005, 22:05
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QUOTE(Arhimede @ 28 Jun 2005, 17:58)
sincer,a fost prima data cand am vazut testul..(pana acum doar poze sau articole)..nu inteleg cum in cazul loganului..franarea a fost facuta ,dupa cate mi-am dat seama..in mod brutal...si cred ca doar soferitele de o saptamana o fac....rotiile fata complet blocate...astfel a rezultat o distanta comica-tragica...ca sa nu mai zic de alegerea modelelor...cea mai ieftina versiune logan(fara abs , fara airbag pasager)..in comparatie cu un golf...care numai model economic nu este..si in plus nu era nici o versiune de la baza gamei golf..

cu toate ca am inteles ca acel test a fost facut cu intentia clara de a pune intr-o lumina proasta constructorul ,care urma sa intre pe piata europeana...
nu stiu cati cunosc..ca pt a trece la 4 sau 5 stele trebuiesc indeplinite anumite conditii p care un model economic in veci nu le va indeplini...si ma intreb daca modelele de 4-5 stele .lipsite de airbaguri,laterale,cortina...etc...depasesc 3 stele...
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Cum trebuia apasata frana pentru obtinera distantei minime de franre? Eu nu am carnet de 2 saptamani ci de peste 10 ani si inca nu am descoperit o alta metoda decat aceea de a apasa energic pe frana. Stii tu alta? Mr. Arhimede, apasarea ritmica a pedalei de frana are cu totul alt scop decat micsorare distantei de franare.
Daca stau sa compar cele doua teste, cel facut de AutoBILD si cel de EuroNCAP nu pot sa nu observ similitudinile...
AutoBILD
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EuroNCAP
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Parca nemtii au fost mai ingaduitori cu noi, nu? Criticile la adresa subiectivismului german mi se par mult zgomot pentru nimic. Pana la urma articolul se dovedeste a fi mult mai obiectiv decat ceea ce se scrie, in general, despre LGN.

Later edit: @Mr. MCM esti tare, tata laugh.gif. Ai naibi occidentali...

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La Sediul Central al Automobil Clubului Român a avut loc, marți, 28 iunie 2005, festivitatea de decernare a Trofeului “Autoturismul Anului 2004 ales de membrii ACR”.

Automobil Clubul Român a lansat prin revista Autoturism și pe site-ul www.acr.ro, în luna decembrie 2004, Concursul "AUTOTURISMUL ANULUI 2004 ALES DE MEMBRII ACR".

Au fost incluse ca eligibile 22 de modele 100% noi, comercializate în România în anul 2004.

In urma trierii unui număr însemnat de taloane, trimise de membrii ACR timp de 6 luni, Comisia special constituită in acest scop a validat rezultatul Concursului, desemnând modelul autohton Dacia Logan ca “Autoturismul Anului 2004 ales de membrii ACR”.

Prezent la manifestare, domnul Francois Fourmont, Director General Automobile Dacia Groupe Renault, a primit personal Trofeul și a fost felicitat de către președintele ACR, domnul Constantin Niculescu.

Cu acest prilej, domnul Fourmont a declarat: “Suntem încântați că membrii ACR au preferat Dacia Logan dintre cele 22 de autoturisme participante la concurs. Faptul ne onorează, cu atât mai mult cu cât, aseară, EuroNCAP a dat publicității rezultatele ultimei serii de crash-teste, în care Logan a obținut trei stele, rezultat preconizat de altfel și de specialiștii noștri”.

EuroNCAP este organismul independent recunoscut de Uniunea Europeană, iar liderul acestuia este binecunoscutul Max Mosley, președintele Federației Internaționale a Automobilului.

În stabilirea propriei ierarhii, fiecare membru ACR s-a raportat la criterii generale de evaluare, cum ar fi designul, nivelul tehnologic, imaginea produsului, luând în considerare, totodată, și relevanța modelului respectiv pe piață și siguranța persoanelor din habitaclu.

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si in special a se vedea aici ce lipseste de la centurile de siguranta LGN: http://auto.howstuffworks.com/seatbelt5.htm.
Pana una alta, Loganu' se pretinde a fi tehnologie 'late 90s'. Nu de ultima ora, nu de anul 2005. Mie mi se pare ca la nivelul ala, s-a comportat absolut rezonabil. As vrera sa rezolve astia cu pedalele si sa ofoere ca optionale centuri pretensionate & cu limitator de sarcina, + ev. airbaguri laterale(sau chiar perdea), si atunci chiar ca nu mai ai ce sa-i reprosezi.


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<<asta-i nasol;
din prima poza rezulta ca ai avut doi copii si dupa teste doar unul!
Sistemul de prindere al scaunul copil e total aiurea si ar trebui avut in vedere de posesorii de Logan!
Eu sincer sa fiu am vazut afara ca scaunele de copii de prind cu fata in sensul invers de mers al masinii.
La Logan vad ca a fost pus invers si rezultatele se vad. >>

Pai ... in poza eu vad ca unu e pus cu fata si unu cu spatele. Si ambii copii sunt inca in masina. Nu stiu cum ai vazut tu .. dar poate tu ai vazut alta poza ....


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In legatura cu scaunele de copii e absolut normal asa, procedura standard EuroNCAP, scaunul de copii pana la o anumita varsta se pune cu spatele la directia de mers.

Un copil mic are capul foarte greu in raport cu restul corpului si in cazul unui impact frontal e posibil sa-si rupa gatul daca nu e asezat cu spatele la directia de mers.

Referitor la Autobild&DEKRA vs EuroNCAP am strans toate punctajele intr-un fisier.
Text din pacate, setati la Notepad/Wordpad un font cu caractere de aceasi dimensiune (ex Lucida Console) pt a fi aliniat corect.

Coloanele "Driver" si "Passanger" sunt pt verificare; comparati doar coloanele "Overall".

Ce se poate observa:
1. exista o eroare sistematica a lui DEKRA de a da punctaj maxim la "Upper legs" atat la Logan cat si la Golf IV. Pe chestia asta se ajunge la situatia hilara in care Golf IV testat de DEKRA are un punctaj total (13.10) mai bun decat Golf V testat de EuroNCAP (12.83)

2. Evident, screw-up-ul major al lui DEKRA referitor la scorul pt cap al Loganului. Adica in loc de punctaj maxim i-au dat punctaj minim. Precizie germana...


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QUOTE(ssilviu @ 29 Jun 2005, 16:29)
bai, hai ca asta e culmea? Cine a editat topicul asta? Ca  a sters si multe lucruri la subiect...na....ba se sterge prea mult, ba se sterge prea putin...debandada...
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QUOTE(satori @ 29 Jun 2005, 17:16)
@GolfIII, nemtii au fost mai duri. Nu stiu germana si s-ar putea sa gresesc, dar daca capul maimutoiului de la EuroNCAP este verde banuiesc ca maimutoiul e mult mai fericit decat cel german, care in cel mai bun caz e maro. La urma urmei, daca in urma accidentului ramai fara cap, ce mai conteaza picioarele...
Per ansamblu, testele EURONCAP conteaza si Logan nu a iesit rau deloc la ele.
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Capul rosu a iesit datorita intarzierii deschiderii airbag-ului la unul dintre teste, precum si lipsei centurilor pretensionate si cu limitator de sarcina. Aceste centuri, intr-adevar, de la o anumita viteza pot face diferenta dintre viata si moarte. Probabil, in cazul EuroNCAP, acestia penalizeaza lipsa lor doar cu cateva puncte, in schimb AutoBILD le considera mult mai necesare. Poate fi o diferenta de procedura intra cele doua teste si poate asa se explica si diferenta de culori intre cele doua teste. EuroNCAP nu este singura organizatie care se ocupa cu stricarea masinilor in acest fel...
Eu cred ca nemtilor asa le-a iesit testul, oricum si ai au spus ca e de vreo 3 stele. Daca voiau sa-l masluiasca in nici un caz nu-l faceau sa arate asa.

@mars2k: EuroNCAP are un set de proceduri dupa care analizeaza fiecare crashtest, acordandu-i in final diverse puncte. Tu-ti inchipui ca celelalte organizatii care se ocupa cu acelasi lucru urmeaza aceleasi proceduri ale EuroNCAP? Eventual viteza sa fie acceasi, in rest ma cam indoiesc. Inadvertenta pe care ai sesizat-o tu cu privire la testele Golf-ului IV si V imi intareste aceasta convingere. Pur si simplu apreciaza altfel decat EuroNCAP, nu inseamna ca sunt hoti. Rezultatul final este aproximativ acelasi. Daca cititi printre randuri o sa vedeti ca si EuroNCAP spune ca LGN s-a situat sub media auto. din vest.
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Guido Adriaenssens, ICRT Chief Executive said,

“Now that the vast majority of cars deliver adequate occupant protection in frontal and side impacts, only the Dacia Logan is lagging behind in the series of results presented today, Euro NCAP faces the challenge to extent its rating to new areas.

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Andrew Miller, Director of Research, Thatcham, said,
“Thatcham, as the representative of the British Insurers, welcomes the continued advance in adult passenger safety demonstrated in this latest set of ratings. However, we are concerned to note that the Dacia Logan, a vehicle designed for the accession states, has achieved a much lower safety rating than that typical in the wider European market.”


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Stie cineva daca LGN are bare de protectie la impactul lateral in usi?


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da are, dar nu bare ci niste profile de tabla.

Ref la subiect, a fost o emisiune pa national cu himerman ala sau cum il cheama, exact cu crashtestul asta de la euroncap.
A fost interesanta din cateva puncte de vedere:
1. S-au arata niste filme, inclusiv comparatii cu cel facut de dekra (asa cum a fost prezentat pe RTL)
2. Am vazut oarece deformari la pavilion si la aripa spate
3. a facut oarece comparatii intre rezultatele (la dekra la cap pericol pe rosu, la euroncap la cap pericol pe verde)
4. A comparat loganul cu... passat din 2000, care avea EXACT acelasi punctaj. M-am uitat precum curca-n lemne, nu-mi venea sa cred...
5. a bagat niste formulari ca el crede ca la dekra testul s-a facut cu o viteza mai mare decat cei 64km/h prevazuti de euroncap, insa eu in mod obiectiv privind mi s-a parut deformarea mai mare la testul euroncap decat la cel de la dekra in zona pavilionului.
6. a aratat deplasarea pedalei de ambreiaj. Ma cam trecura niste sudori reci, ca intr-adevar era cam mare.
7. La pedala de frana problema de fapt era ca ... se misca (balansa) lateral, nu ca s-a deplasat intr-un fel sau altul (doar pedala de ambreiaj era deplasata, si eu cred ca e din cauza ambreiajului pe cablu, ca a tras de cablu la impact)
8. usa s-a deschis bine-mersi, fara ranga si alte ghidusii
In rest din filmulete parerea mea este totusi pozitiva (desi deformarea habitaclului era mai are decat la stilo de ex.)


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As observa rezultatul pozitiv in zona bazinului, la impactul lateral. Se pare ca dl. kostika avea dreptate privitor la rolul important al paddingului din usa (chestia aia neagra de plastic...)


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QUOTE(klaus @ 3 Jul 2005, 21:56)
A comparat loganul cu... passat din 2000, care avea EXACT acelasi punctaj. M-am uitat precum curca-n lemne, nu-mi venea sa cred...
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Inseamna ca tipul respectiv este un mare specialist smile.gif. Iata ce parere are EuroNCAP despre comparatiile facute intre clase:
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  Can results be compared between groups?
Results should only be compared within the same group. The frontal testing method mirrors a crash between two similar sized cars. A heavier car or one with a higher structure will tend to have an advantage if it impacts a smaller car. The Euro NCAP results cannot be used to predict the outcome of such crashes


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pai daca traducem ce scrie acolo, inseamna asa:
O masina mai grea iese mai bine la un impact cu o masina mai mica! Testele EuroNCAP nu se folosesc pentru a indica rezultatul impactului intre 2 masini. Deci, putem compara rezultatul impactului cu un obstacol cum sunt facute de EuroNCAP.=>in aceleasi conditii date (DOAR in conditiile date) loganul si passat-ul se comporta la fel.
Eu asta inteleg si nu vad de ce nu ar fi asa.


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Oameni buni, dar de ce masina din test are alte jante? Cumva e altfel decat cele din Romania? Ma gandesc, poate si alte componente difera.... De ce nu a luat EuroNCAP o masina din piata, ca orice client?


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Model History & Safety Equipment of Car Tested
The Dacia Logan comes with dual frontal airbags and ABS as standard. The car is currently not available in right-hand drive.
Make, model and hand of drive Dacia Logan 1.4 LHD

Deci sigur nu este Loganul facut in Romania pt ca numai ala de 1.6 are ABS asa nu prea este concludent testul pt Romania


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Ba la pitesti e facut,dar pt vest si cel mai slab de 1.4 e echipat cu abs,iar cel mai scump e laureate 1.6 si e 8990E(si nu are A/C,jenti aluminiu si cd<sunt optionale>).


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Din cate am inteles eu testarile se fac la viteze mici(50-60 km/h).Corect?Pai am vazut undeva pe unul din canalele Discovery cum au lovit frontal un BMW si un VOLVO la viteza de 192 km/h pentru fiecare masina.Ce credeti ca a ramas?Nici urma de " viata " in ambele masini.Sunt de acord ca Loganul este prima masina romaneasca testata si sa recunosc ca a iesit bine..dar cine circula afara cu 50 km/h?Voi?Ca eu nu prea....Parerea mea. ohmy.gif
P.S. Cum ramane cu compunerea vitezelor la impacte frontale?

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Asa cum s-a spus, viteza respectiva este luata in calcul dupa analiza accidentelor. Era vorba despre o viteza rezultata facand o medie.
Nimeni nu a avut pretentia sa spuna ca ca testul EuroNCAP arata cat de sigura e masina la toate tipurile de accidente. Este doar o masura de comparatie intre modele si pentru imbunatatirea sistemelor de securitate.
Dar deja discutia despre EuroNCAP in general cred ca este offtopic.


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