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post 9 Dec 2017, 23:30
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Mai intai pe scenic, 1.3 tce in trei versiuni de putere, 115 140 si 160 cp ;dezvolta in colaborare cu Mercedes, probabil de la anul si pe megane, clio si kadjar .

http://www.larevueautomobile.com/Actu/Rena...edes-13470.html

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post 11 Dec 2017, 12:27
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post 11 Dec 2017, 12:50
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post 11 Dec 2017, 14:05
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Caracteristicile noilor motoare "downsized" pe benzina sugereaza ca acestea au fost proiectate (si) cu gandul de a se comporta similar cu - deci potential de a inlocui - motoarele Diesel de putere similara.
Observ cuplu maxim la turatii foarte joase (1500, respectiv 1600 rpm), precum si putere maxima la turatii relativ mici pentru un motor cu benzina (4500, respectiv 5000 rpm).
Caracteristici similare am observat si la motorul 1.2 TSI din grupul VW.

In fond, avand in vedere prigoana actuala impotriva motoarelor Diesel, este de inteles aceasta abordare a producatorilor. Pacat insa ca astfel se pierde o parte din caracterul specific motoarelor cu benzina.

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post 11 Dec 2017, 14:52
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Justa observatia, dar un tce de 115 cu la fel de mult cuplu ca un dci de 90 de cai si 25 de cai in plus nu poate fi decat un lucru bun. Ramane de vazut consumul real, vad ca se citeaza cifre in NEDC nu in WLPT . Totusi priederile mai reduse decat ale unui diesel si cilindreea mai mica ar trebui sa ajute
Motorul e ruda cu 1,2 TCE? parca am vazut acelasi alezaj undeva...

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post 12 Dec 2017, 11:51
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Mie mi se pare cam suspect cuplul ala la 1500 rpm / 1600 rpm.


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post 12 Dec 2017, 12:16
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Metoda pentru a obtine cuplu la turatii joase e destul de simpla: se utilizeaza un turbo de mici dimensiuni, care are nevoie de relativ putine gaze pentru a intra in regim.
Reversul medaliei este ca, pe masura ce turatia motorului creste, turbo-ul ajunge mai repede la limita (spre deosebire de un turbo mai mare), ceea ce inseamna ca pe de o parte nu poate impinge un volum suficient de aer necesar motorului la turatii inalte, iar pe de alta parte ca aerul impins este foarte cald. Ceea ce explica si turatia relativ mica la care se obtine puterea maxima.


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post 15 Dec 2017, 13:11
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Care sunt sansele sa vedem si noi pe un logan 160 cp ? smile.gif)


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post 15 Dec 2017, 15:56
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post 15 Dec 2017, 16:35
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Cam cate au fost si pana acum sa ai Logan la 130 CP si anume <0


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post 15 Dec 2017, 17:51
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Păcat că au renunțat la dezvoltarea 1.6 dci de 200 de cai. Macar 1.6 dci de 160 cai/380 nm va fi disponibil pe lângă benzinarele astea?


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post 15 Dec 2017, 18:23
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am mers cu un kadjar 1.6dci de 130cp.
mi-a placut!


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post 15 Dec 2017, 18:27
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QUOTE(argon @ 15 Dec 2017, 17:51)
Păcat că au renunțat la dezvoltarea 1.6 dci de 200 de cai. Macar 1.6 dci de 160 cai/380 nm va fi disponibil pe lângă benzinarele astea?
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Ce sa faca cu 1.6 dci de 200 de cai, cand pot face mult mai lejer un 2.0 Dci de 200? Si au deja 2.0 DCI pe Koleos, inca 25 de cai ii gasesc oricand daca vor. Ar fi o aberatie sa impinga un diesel atat de mult, in conditiile in care toate companiile aplica mai nou un downsizing moderat. Dupa noul ciclu de testare WLTP nu mai ai niciun avantaj sa scoti 200 de cai dintr-un 1.6, fiindca in viata reala va consuma mai mult decat un 2.0 de aceeasi putere. Plus controlul emisiilor de NOx...care penalizeaza motoarele foarte mici si foarte fortate. Nu au fost tampiti aia care au ramas la motoare de 2.2 sau 2.0 diesel...doar Reno si Honda au crezut ca se poate cu un 1.6 echivalent ca putere

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post 15 Dec 2017, 19:24
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Si reno renunta sau, mai exact, ii creste cilindreea.


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post 15 Dec 2017, 21:53
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QUOTE(dizzy @ 15 Dec 2017, 19:23)
am mers cu un kadjar 1.6dci de 130cp.
mi-a placut!
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Sa vezi cum e cu 1.6 dci de 160 de cai, bate orice tce sub 2 litri. 2.0 dci a fost un motor bun , dar prea depășit să treacă de euro 5.

Ontopic...benzinarele astea din topic, 1.3 , sunt tot injecție directă că 1.2?

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post 16 Dec 2017, 08:29
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Auzi argoane noul Koleos ce motoare are?


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post 16 Dec 2017, 10:00
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post 16 Dec 2017, 10:30
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Cam degringolada totala strategia din ultimii ani a lui reno la nivel de motoare: au scos un 1.4tce pe care l-au folosit foarte putin apoi l-au inlocuit cu 1.2...si acum vin cu 1.33. La fel si la 3 cilindri, 0,9 si apoi un 1.0 ...nici la cilindree mai mare nu prea se regasesc, au renuntat la 2.0tce ca sa puna 1,62 nissan...apoi dupa ce si-au dat seama ca au nevoie totusi de ceva mai mare au facut un 1.8 in loc de 2.0.
Nici la diesel nu sunt prea hotarati...au doar 1.46 si 1.6, cel 2.0 e aproape inexistent avand in vedere ca exista doar pe koleos si nu e disponibil pe masini precum talisman, espace sau trafic.

Ps: posibil ca cilindreea sa fie 1.33 astfel incat daca dai jos un cilindru sa ramai cu un 1.0 in trei cilindri(aceeasi metoda din ce stiu a fost aplicata si la generatia 1.2tce si 0.9tce). Un fel de lego...desi ai doua motoare total diferite ca cilindree si nr cilindri, practic nu ai muncit si investit chiar cat pt doua motoare diferite.

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span class='edit'>18 Dec 2017, 10:07:</span>
QUOTE(argon @ 15 Dec 2017, 17:51)
Păcat că au renunțat la dezvoltarea 1.6 dci de 200 de cai. Macar 1.6 dci de 160 cai/380 nm va fi disponibil pe lângă benzinarele astea?
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Vine in curand. Nu dispera. 2.0 dci Nissan dispare odata cu coalitia Mercedes Renault ..Samsung Nissan .....

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QUOTE(stefandinescu70 @ 7 Dec 2017, 16:23)
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Calculatorul scrie singur , nu eu ...... si nu a fost never ever , a fost doar ....ever


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Aha ... si marmota? smile.gif


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A murit marmota ...

apropo ....

Noul 1.3 TCE vine si el cu vreo hibridizare ceva ( pseudo , alternator ajutat de baterie ...etc etc ... sau este doar in 1.0 SCE cu inca un piston si un turbo in plus ????

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QUOTE(mars @ 16 Dec 2017, 10:00)
M9R 2.0 dCi 175 Euro 6b.
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In RO, da, cel spus de mars. Pe dincolo avem si 1.6dci 130cp 4x2.


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QUOTE(stefandinescu70 @ 18 Dec 2017, 12:41)
Noul 1.3 TCE vine si el cu vreo hibridizare ceva ( pseudo , alternator ajutat de baterie ...etc etc ...  sau este doar in 1.0 SCE cu inca un piston si un turbo in plus ????
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Nici Mercedesul nu mai e ce-a fost... sleep.gif


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Motorul care se monteaza pe Mercedes se fabrica in uzina Mercedes.....si are multe piese schimbate fata de motorul care se monteaza pe Renault.

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QUOTE(VladSoare @ 21 Dec 2017, 17:22)
Nici Mercedesul nu mai e ce-a fost... sleep.gif
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Stii de Kangoo-u' cu sigla Mercedes ce se fabrica in Franta, in uzina Renault de la Maubeuge si se vinde ca si Mercedes Citan de prin 2012 ? rolleyes.gif

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