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post 7 Sep 2011, 15:02
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Are ceva daca se amesteca lichidele astea...aceleasi specificatii producatori diferiti?

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post 7 Sep 2011, 15:38
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Eu am trecut pe Mobil, dar am schimbat de doua ori lichidul din instalatie ca sa iasa tot ce era vechi ...


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post 9 Sep 2011, 08:28
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nu are nimic , nu e ca la uleiul de motor sa faca spuma, poti pune cu succes mobil peste cel de dacia dar IRONIK are dreptate , mai bine-l schimbi tot , 1 litru ajunge.


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post 9 Sep 2011, 08:35
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QUOTE(razvanamza @ 17 Aug 2010, 22:07)
desfaci de la caseta de jos un furtun, lasi sa curga tot, apoi completezi pe la bidonas mereu doar la minim, apoi faci miscari complete stanga-dreapta de volan, tinanad cam 2-3 secunde la maxim (cand caraie putin), cam de 4-5 ori
Desi la manual asa scrie, este recomandat sa nu se desfaca conducta metalica, pe urma se lasa sigur cu scapari, doar vb. de Dacia.De multe ori au si meseriasii dreptate, evident si in cazul asta nu vb. de cei de la Dacia. Se scoate furtunul de retur pentru schimbare si se evita capatul de cursa tinut mult. Nici macar 2-3 sec.

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post 9 Sep 2011, 09:11
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Tocmai asta e moartea servodirectiilor...tinutul in viraje maxim pana se satura soferul...De ce oare numai cand face clanc volanul e ok virajul nu inteleg.


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post 10 Sep 2011, 12:55
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Tragi de volan atat cat iti cere drumul/situatia, problema ar fi alta, sa nu o lasi stationata in viraj maxim.


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post 10 Sep 2011, 15:28
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sorin1983 tare as vrea sa te vad cum abordezi un viraj in,,ac de par,, cu panta de urcare 10%


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post 11 Sep 2011, 20:11
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Poate i se face pofta de niste mititei de la Dedulesti.


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post 11 Sep 2011, 20:15
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si vrea sa ajunga de la cabana Capra la baraju Vidraru in 10 secunde excl.gif


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post 15 Sep 2011, 15:36
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Cand am luat in urma cu 2 saptamani masina, am fost cu ea la un mecanic, asta inainte sa dau banii biggrin.gif si mi-a zis cam ce mai are si ce ar mai fi de facut pe la ea...una dintre putinele probleme e la o conducta sau nu stiu ce de la servo dar care se remediaza usor, faza e ca pana sa remediez problema...am fost nevoit sa completez cu lichid de servo. Si azi m-am hotarat sa fac operatiunea asta...Toate bune si frumoase...pana am inceput sa caut vasul de lichid...care e pus...bine...foarte bine...parca au incercat sa-l ascunda sa nu-l gaseasca nimeni (precizez ca este versiunea 1.5 dci de 85 cp). Pana la urma l-am gasit pe undeva pe sub farul dreapta...dar...sincer nu prea mi-a venit sa dau jos roata...aparatorea aia de plastic...si sa cracanez bara...cum zicea cineva aici pe forum....asa ca...mie cel putin mi s-a parut mai usor sa dau jos bateria...si sa imi usurez accesul la capacul vasului. Am completat cu lichid...am pus bateria...am pornit masina...cateva curse complete stanga dreapta...am oprit-o....am dat iar jos bateria...si am mai completat putin ca mai scazuse nivelul, o parte din lichid ajungand in "instalatie". sper sa remediez problema inainte sa fiu nevoit sa completez iar biggrin.gif


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post 20 Sep 2011, 20:27
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am schimbat si eu recent cu Total ATX (rosu)


Total Fluid ATX Automatic Transmission Fluid 1 Litre

TOTAL FLUID ATX for automatic or semi-automatic transmissions and torque converters of passenger cars, light commercial vehicles and industrial vehicles, when the manufacturer requires an ATF (Automatic Transmission Fluid) GM DEXRON® IID. Adapted to manual gear boxes when an ATF fluid is required, hydrostatic transmissions, power steering, hydraulic systems when a fluid type GM DEXRON® IID is required.

Total Total Fluid ATX Product Features
* Automatic or semi-automatic transmissions and torque converters of passenger cars, light commercial vehicles and industrial vehicles, when the manufacturer requires an ATF (Automatic Transmission Fluid) GM DEXRON®-IID. Not suitable when a fluid type FORD M2C-33F or G is required.
* Manual gear boxes when an ATF fluid is required.
* Hydrostatic transmissions.
* Power steering.
* Hydraulic systems when a fluid type GM DEXRON®-IID is required.

TOTAL ATX PROPERTIES
* Very high viscosity index linked with an excellent stability in operation
* Very low pour point.
* Very good thermal stability.
* Excellent resistance to oxidation.
* Friction properties specific to the requirements of GENERAL MOTORS Hydramatic.
* Viscosity adapted to MERCEDES requirements MB-Approval 236-6

TOTAL ATX PERFORMANCES
* BMW group 23 - 3.0 and 24 - 3.0 900115)
* FORD MERCON® (1987 : former licence n° M7)
* DEXRON®-IID : former licence n° D-2164
* MAN 339 type Z-1 (ex MAN 339 type D) MAN 339 type V-1 (ex MAN 339 type D)
* MERCEDES BENZ-Approval 236.6
* VOITH H 55.633535
* PSA PEUGEOT CITROËN ZF TE-ML 03D, 04D, 09, 11A, 14A, 17C.


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post 27 Sep 2011, 15:03
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eu am completat cu:

Mobil ATF 220
An automatic transmission fluid recommended for some
automatic and manual transmissions in passenger cars and
light duty trucks as well as for power steering systems. It is
also suitable for hydraulic systems in farm equipment and
other installations having similar fluid requirements.
• Longer retention of frictional characteristics under severe
operating conditions
• Good low temperature fluidity
• Good high temperature stability to resist lacquer and
deposit formation
• Good protection against wear and excellent foam
resistance
Approved against ZF TE-ML 03D/04D/11A/14A/17C,
MB-Approval 236.7, MAN 339D & Voith G607. Suitable
for use in applications requiring Dexron IID, Caterpillar
TO-2, Allison C-4, Ford M2C163A & GM Type A Suffix A.

cred a va trebui sa inlocuiesc presostatul de
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post 27 Sep 2011, 15:20
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Ai facut o alegere buna. Senzorul ala este cu buba veche (bleah, ieftaciuni Dacia), din cauza carcasei de aluminiu din care este facut si de la tinut volanul in cap de cursa, in timp scapa pe langa el. Ideal este sa fie schimbat cu unul de Clio, are carcasa de alama parca.

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post 27 Sep 2011, 19:58
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pierde ulei pe la presostat?


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post 30 Sep 2011, 22:07
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QUOTE(vi_escu @ 27 Sep 2011, 19:58)
pierde ulei pe la presostat?
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da a pierdut ulei pe la presostat si l-am inlocuit cod 7700435692


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post 7 Oct 2011, 08:52
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Are cineva specificatiile tehnice la Dacia power steering oil?
Alea cu indicii de vascozitate etc.


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post 7 Oct 2011, 13:03
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post 7 Oct 2011, 15:49
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De la Elf le-am gasit si io.
Vroiam fix pe cele de la Dacia.


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post 11 Oct 2011, 08:08
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Pana la urma mi-am lut si eu Mobil ATF220, este cel mai apropiat ca vascozitati de Elf Renaultmatic D2 (si implicit de Dacia Power steering). Initial vroiam sa iau Dacia, dar l-au nesimtit la pret - 39 lei, fata de Mobil 22 lei. Mai era interesant un Castrol Dex3, dar era ceva mai fluid si am zis sa nu risc.
Acum, face cineva un tutorial de schimbare lichid (merci Ironick biggrin.gif ), sa nu mai bajbai.


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post 12 Oct 2011, 09:25
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Am schimbat si eu cu Mobil ATF220. Am procedat astfel:
- am ridicat partea din fata a masinii;
- am demontat scutul motor;
- am desfacut conductele care vin in vasul lichidului de servo lasand sa se scurga tot ce se putea intr-o tava mare pusa sub masina (am scos si vasul pt a-l curata);
- am virat maxim stanga -dreapta tragand de o roata (cam de 5 ori) pana nu a mai curs nimic pe cele doua conducte;
- am montat vasul la loc;
- am montat conductele;
- am pus lichid cu rabdare, initial o sa vezi cum se duce singur in instalatie, ai grija sa nu treci de jumatatea vasului;
- cand lichidul nu a mai intrat singur in instalatie am inceput virez maxim stanga -dreapta tragand de o roata (cam de 5 ori);
- am pornit motorul moment in cate a tras ceva lichid, am completat apoi am virat maxim stanga dreapta (cam de 5 ori) dar de data asta de volan;
- am completat lichidul in vas;
- pus scutul la loc.

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post 12 Oct 2011, 11:44
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Ceva de genul asta, asa cum am scris mai sus nu are rost sa se desfaca conductele metalice, din furtunele de cauciuc se scoate foarte usor lichidul. Recomandarea mea este sa se faca de doua ori, prima data pentru curatare (in special pentru cei cu perioada mai mare de 4 ani). Oricum lichidul este foarte de ieftin.


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post 12 Oct 2011, 13:57
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Prima oara, adica pt. curatare ai folosit acelasi ulei?
Uleiul dupa ce ai facut curatarea isi modificase culoarea?


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Da, tot Mobil. Si dupa primul schimb era usor colorat fata de cel nou. Este normal sa se intample asa ceva.

PS. Recomandat cu rotile suspendate.

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post 12 Oct 2011, 16:53
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Gata bre, facut si eu operatiunea, merci Vasile si Ironick pentru info. Am aplicat metoda cu scos furtunul care vine de la caseta de la stutzul din vas.
E destul de usor, am folosit o sticla de 1,5 l taiata,am lasat lichidul sa se scurga usor din vas, apoi am scos furtunul pe sub masina si l-am lasat in vas. La un moment dat m-am plictisit si am suflat in vas (pe stutzul desfacut) si a iesit tot lichidul. Am bagat un Dacia oil care-l aveam eu mai demult desfacut si apoi l-am dat jos. Am bagat la final Mobilul, a intrat cam 0,7 l.

Important ... excl.gif
Cand faceti operatiunea asta verificati si curatati temeinic si filtrul din vasul de expansiune, are o sita foarte fina care filtreaza lichidul care vine de la caseta si pleaca spre pompa. eu l-am curatat cu spray de frane, era plin de mizerie (pilitura metalica si probabil cauciuc)


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post 12 Oct 2011, 22:24
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QUOTE(Logan_Stepway @ 20 Sep 2011, 21:27)
am schimbat si eu recent cu Total ATX (rosu)
Total Fluid ATX Automatic Transmission Fluid 1 Litre

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TOTAL=LUBRIFIN=DACIA OIL...deci n-ai facut nici o mica imbunatatire !


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post 13 Oct 2011, 07:16
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Ba a facut ceva, Totalul este putin mai diferit decat Elf Renaultmatic D2, care este standardul si pentru Dacia.

Deci, specificatiile Elf-ului:

Vascozitatea la 40°C mm&sup2;/s (cSt) 35
Vascozitatea la 100°C mm&sup2;/s (cSt) 7,0

Total ATX:

Vâscozitate cinematică la 40 °C mm2/s 40
Vâscozitate cinematică la 100 °C mm2/s 8.1

Mobil ATF 220

Viscosity, ASTM D 445
cSt @ 40&ordm;C 37
cSt @ 100&ordm;C 7.0


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post 13 Oct 2011, 08:12
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QUOTE(IRONICK @ 12 Oct 2011, 15:03)
PS. Recomandat cu rotile suspendate.
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Care-i smecheria cu rotile suspendate?


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Sa se invarta volanul usor. Cu rotile pe sol si fara servo faci muschi.


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pai...daca n-are servo ce lichid sa schimbe ??? blink.gif

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QUOTE(sobolan @ 12 Oct 2011, 23:24)
n-ai facut nici o mica imbunatatire
QUOTE(YRX @ 13 Oct 2011, 08:16)
Ba a facut ceva
A sarit din lac in put. De fapt cred ca a sarit mai mult intr-o groapa de var.


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