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tzepesch
post 14 Jul 2008, 02:51
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salutari....

nevand somn azinoapte, cauza multe cafele si cola, am gasit un program pe net de calculat viteza in functie de nr. RPM.
mie imi e util deoarece am turom digital si nu-mi funct. vitezometrul

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la motorul de 1300, cutie in 4 tip 352 cu sincronizatoare tr I si II tip Renault si III si IV tip Borg-Warner si tr. manchAeRierre nesincronizata

cu rapoartele : I (3.61), II (2.26), III (1.48), IV (1.03) si AR (3.07)

si roti 145/80-R13, deci diametru de 22.13

au rezultat vitezele:

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RPM ... KM/H
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1000 ... 9.5
1200 ... 11.5
1500 ... 14.3
1800 ... 17.2
2000 ... 19.1
2200 ... 21
2500 ... 23.9
2800 ... 26.8
3000 ... 28.7
3200 ... 30.6
3500 ... 33.4
3800 ... 36.3
4000 ... 38.2
4500 ... 43
5000 ... 47.8


II.
RPM ... KM/H
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1000 ... 15.3
1200 ... 18.3
1500 ... 23
1800 ... 27.5
2000 ... 30.5
2200 ... 33.6
2500 ... 38.1
2800 ... 42.8
3000 ... 45.8
3200 ... 48.9
3500 ... 53.5
3800 ... 58
4000 ... 61.1
4200 ... 64.1
4500 ... 68.7
4800 ... 73.3
5000 ... 76.4


III.
RPM ... KM/H
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1000 ... 23.3
1200 ... 28
1500 ... 35
1800 ... 42
2000 ... 46.6
2200 ... 51.3
2500 ... 58.3
2800 ... 65.3
3000 ... 70
3200 ... 74.6
3500 ... 81.6
3800 ... 88.6
4000 ... 93.3
4200 ... 98
4500 ... 105
4800 ... 112
5000 ... 116.6


IV.
RPM ... KM/H
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1000 ... 33.5
1200 ... 40.2
1500 ... 50.2
1800 ... 60.3
2000 ... 67
2200 ... 73.7
2500 ... 83.8
2800 ... 93.8
3000 ... 100
3200 ... 107.2
3500 ... 117.3
3800 ... 127.4
4000 ... 134
4200 ... 140.8
4500 ... 150.8
4800 ... 161
5000 ... 167.6


precizez ca zecimalele vitezei le-am rotunjit f putin, ex. daca dadea X.38 am scris X.4


daca vreti sa va calculati si voi acesta e linkul pt calculul vitezei
http://golenengineservice.com/calc/calcmph.htm

iar acesta pt calc. diam. rotilor
http://www.precisiongear.com/pgtechtire.htm

deasemeni atasez poze din Mondiru cu rapoartele cutiilor de vit.


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post 14 Jul 2008, 09:14
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inteleg ca la
Enter Rear Gear Ratio: punem raportul AR-ului (acelasi intotdeauna)
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Enter Trans Gear Ratio punem raportul treptei de viteza la care vrem sa aflam viteza?


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Dar la ce ti-a folosit dimensiunea de anvelopa 144/80-13 la Dacia? Nu cred ca mai foloseste cineva asa ceva, poate numai amicu' cu pariu' cu ta'su.


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post 14 Jul 2008, 10:18
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alea sunt 145, de 144 nici nu cred ca exista wacko.gif dacia nu a venit niciodata cu asa ceva
primele aveau 155 80 apoi 165 70


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post 14 Jul 2008, 11:36
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145, am gresit eu.

astea le folosesc ca astea le am. o sa trec insa pe 165-70. mi se par cele mai ok. am cam renuntat la ideea de 155

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QUOTE(Rover @ 14 Jul 2008, 09:14)
inteleg ca la
Enter Rear Gear Ratio: punem raportul AR-ului (acelasi intotdeauna)
iar la
Enter Trans Gear Ratio punem raportul treptei de viteza la care vrem sa aflam viteza?
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da, si da.


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post 14 Jul 2008, 13:25
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La " Enter Rear Gear Ratio:" se pune 3,777 sau 4,125 (9X34 respectiv 8X33) ,daca puneti 3.07 da o aberatie.

Pentru tzepesch in tr IV (raport 1.03) la 5000 rpm ai 136,2 km/h wink.gif


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post 14 Jul 2008, 14:08
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de unde ai scos 3,77 sau 4.12? intreb ca vreau sa rectific topicu

3.777 e raportul de transmisie al grupului conic.

eu am crezut ca tre bagat cel al mancharierului... enter rear gear ratio ????? rear gear???

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post 14 Jul 2008, 18:05
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Pai pentru a calcula viteza in functie de turatie ai nevoie raportul de transmisie al grupului conic si de raportul vitezei in care vrei sa afli viteza.Nu ai treaba cu raportul mancharierului.

Am aratat si pe alt topic cum calculezi viteza in functie de turatie.

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Eu stiam alta formula.
turatia/rap gr. coni/rap treptei*60(minute intr-o ora)*1.74-circumferinta rotii de 165/70 R13

Spre ex:
3000/3.777/0.76*60*1.74=109,08km/h


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post 14 Jul 2008, 20:24
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Mai bine va loati GPS si va afiseaza direc viteza fiindca intra multe in calcul. Vierme esti mai aproape de adevar!


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Pai daca astia la mine in cartier alearga cu motoarele ziua le mestereste de la ora 12 iar noaptea de la ora 10 cam pe acuma incepsa le alerge de la catelu vin spre salajan urca spre dristor si retur biggrin.gif Deci in total cam 10 -15Km. Auzi sirene alearga gaborii cu loganurile si tot nu-i prinde, ce sa mai e nebunie curata langa cartierul meu bine ca nu stau direct la strada principala ca altfle nu as mai dormi .


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Deci daca tu ai 167kmh la 5000 de ture motor 1.3 4 trepte eu imi dau demisia de pe forum. Sa ma corecteze cineva daca gresesc la motor 1.3 54cp cutie in 4 fara umblat la pinioane la 5250 de ture nu sunt 140kmh?


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post 15 Jul 2008, 17:56
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QUOTE(mad toz @ 14 Jul 2008, 14:25)
La " Enter Rear Gear Ratio:" se pune 3,777 sau 4,125 (9X34 respectiv 8X33) ,daca puneti 3.07 da o aberatie.

Pentru tzepesch in tr IV (raport 1.03)  la 5000 rpm ai 136,2 km/h wink.gif
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QUOTE(neajiji @ 15 Jul 2008, 15:31)
Deci daca tu ai 167kmh la 5000 de ture motor 1.3 4 trepte eu imi dau demisia de pe forum. Sa ma corecteze cineva daca gresesc la motor 1.3 54cp cutie in 4 fara umblat la pinioane la 5250 de ture nu sunt 140kmh?
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da tu crezi ca mai are 54 cp? ca din aia de-alungul timpuli 10 schioapata...inca 10 sunt deja morti...si vreo 5 is chiori tongue.gif


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poate sa aiba si 2 cai...in functie de turatia se calculeaza viteza smile.gif


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Da ce unde, la mine nici in ruptu capului n-a vrut sa urce de 3800~3900rpm fiind in treapta a 4-a, iar pe vitezometru arata ceva in jur de 135(dar tot sarea din cauza cablului)!


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post 15 Jul 2008, 22:59
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bine mah baieti, refac calculul cu valarea aceea...


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Dupa cum a spus si vierme,a uitat de rap de demultiplicare al transmisiei principale(grupul conic).Tot in cartea lui Mondaru se gasesc aceste rapoarte.


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Daca tot suntem in segmentu turatie/viteza, am si eu o problema de la 110kmh verificat pe gps cu 4000 de ture nu mai urca nici in viteza, nici in turatie masina, ambreiajul nu cred ca patineaza, avansul l-am reglat dupa metoda becului deci ce alte cauze ar fi? In toate celelalte viteze urca in turatie cum trebuie, oricum nu sunt genul ala de da in masina pana ii sar supapele, dar cred ca motorul ar putea mai mult.


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Lipsa putere.
Citeva cauze posibile din cele usor de verificat: filtru de aer colmatat (masiv), aprindere si/sau carburator dereglat (jiclorul principal mai mic decit trebuie; diverse dispozitive pentru economie, care pot impiedica umplerea cilindrilor; tub emulsor si/sau jiclor de aer de frinare neadecvat); motor uzat (scapari de gaze pe linga pistoane).

Alte cauze posibile dar mai putin probabile: distributie defectuoasa (masiv); frine care ating (roti fierbinti dupa rulaj?)

Desigur este posibila si o combinatie de motive.


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ok...pentru moment o voi lasa asa, nu am drumuri lungi de facut cu ea si nici nu ma mananca in dos dupa nfs, candva poate ajung la un carbotest si fac ceva si cu aprinderea: niste fise mai rasarite si o bobina sanatoasa.


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QUOTE(ROBY 06-TFA @ 17 Jul 2008, 17:16)
Dupa cum a spus si vierme,a uitat de rap de demultiplicare al transmisiei principale(grupul conic).Tot in cartea lui Mondaru se gasesc aceste rapoarte.
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valoarea aceea de 3.77 zici?

20 Jul 2008, 22:50:
auziti... e posibil ca daca am planetare scurte sa am al doilea tip de cutie in 4???

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deci.

cu raportul conic de 3.77

si cu prima varianta, de raport 0.97 la vit a IV-a, deci de fuga.

2000 - 58
2200 - 63.7
2300 - 66.6
2500 - 72.4
2800 - 81.1
3000 - 86.7
3200 - 92.7
3500 - 101
3800 - 110
4000 - 116
4200 - 121
4500 - 130
4800 - 139.1
5000 - 145

varianta 2, de raport 1.03 la vit a IV-a , deci de tractiune.

2000 - 55
2200 - 60
2500 - 68
2800 - 76.4
3000 - 81.9
3200 - 87.3
3500 - 95.5
3800 - 103
4000 - 109
4200 - 114
4500 - 122
4800 - 131
5000 - 136.5


acu sa vad ce cutie am... parca vad ca am d-asta cu rap de tractiune.


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pacat, am d-aia de tractiune.... sad.gif


acu, io stiu, m-o pacali si vitezometrul..

sa vad ca mai am 2 de rezerva..

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Faci rost de 5 mil si iei o cutie in 5 trepte si o modifici cum vrei tu si de tractiune si de fuga .


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post 28 Jul 2008, 19:31
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500 noua?

poate pe l remat pe incercate si o repar dk e cazu


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Doar papucii au avut 8x33...Toate berlinele/brekuri au avut 9x34, deci rap gr conic este 3,77.Cat despre cutii, va recomand una de renault. Eu am una de 1 an de zile si am fost foarte multumit de ea(nu este cea mai fugareata,dar s-a descurcat bine). Mi-am luat alta,care am facut-o fugareata(deh,rapoarte de dizel)

Si am dat pe ea 400 ron(fara timonerie)

Daca e sa va luati va recomand NG 9003 sau NG3047(astea nu cred ca se pot gasi pe teritoriul Romaniei), cu mult noroc NG 1040,3067,3075 sau cu putin noroc
NG 1041,1046,1048,1061,3039,3063,3087,9001.Restul daca e sa le gasiti nu va deranjati,ca vor fugi putin mai repde decat prima cutie in 5 tr de dacie.

Primele 2 au 3,1 si 0.78 la a5a,urmatorul grup au 3.22 cu 0.78,si ultimul 3.44 cu 0.78.

Toate cutiile de renault intra mai usor in viteze decat orice cutie de dacie wink.gif


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