Outline · [ Standard ] · Linear+ Toyota opreste productia si vanzarile in US, La 8 modele cu probleme la acceleratie/frana

E vorba de modelele ce au fost afectate de faptul ca au fost cazuri cand masina accelera singura, fara posibilitatea de a fi oprita foarte usor. Pana acum au dat vina pe covorase (care cica agatau), apoi pe designul pedalelor (recall in curs), problema fiind se pare la ecu . Se pare ca nici ei nu stiu 100% care e problema, cert e ca pe forumuri se discuta ca toyota nu are nu stiu ce sistem de protectie, ca atunci cand calci frana si acceleratia, frana sa aiba intaietate. Se pare ca sunt si modele europene implicate, stiu ca acum cateva zile ziceau ca vor face recall si la modelele europene: Toyota has announced that it will halt sales of eight models due to its ongoing problems with unintended acceleration. At issue are accelerator pedal mechanisms that could get stuck in the open position due to wear, causing the vehicle to accelerate uncontrollably. Earlier this month, Toyota announced a recall of 2.3 million vehicles with the possible defect. Late last year, the Japanese automaker recalled nearly four million vehicles for floor mats that could trap accelerator pedals, also causing unintended acceleration. The two issues are apparently unrelated, though a total of 1.7 million vehicles are affected by both issues. The following eight models are included in the sales suspension (you can see them all in the gallery below):     * 2009-2010 RAV4 2-26-10-toyota-pedal-recall--(4).jpg     * 2009-2010 Corolla 2-26-10-toyota-pedal-recall--(3).jpg     * 2009-2010 Matrix 2-26-10-toyota-pedal-recall--(2).jpg     * 2005-2010 Avalon 2-26-10-toyota-pedal-recall--(5).jpg     * Certain 2007-2010 Camry models 2-26-10-toyota-pedal-recall-.jpg     * 2010 Highlander 2-26-10-toyota-pedal-recall--(6).jpg     * 2007-2010 Tundra 2-26-10-toyota-pedal-recall--(1).jpg     * 2008-2010 Sequoia 2-26-10-toyota-pedal-recall--(7).jpg No Lexus or Scion sales have been halted, and due to the sales suspension of the above eight models, a number of manufacturing plants will be shut down for at least the week of February 1st. Click past the break for all the details on the recall and the plants being shuttered in North America. *UPDATE: Toyota has confirmed to us that the Camry Hybrid and Highlander Hybrid are not included in the sales suspension. Toyota has also reiterated that no Lexus or Scion models are included as these cars are built in Japan. 27 Jan 2010, 20:01: se pare ca toyota a fost (oarecum) obligata de nhtsa sa opreasca vanzarea modelelor cu probleme Toyota has quite the PR nightmare on its hands. The boiling cauldron of complaints surrounding unintended acceleration issues bubbled over this month with two separate but giant recalls. The latest involves eight Toyota models that contain defective accelerator pedal mechanisms that could stick over time due to wear. There is no fix available for the pedal mechanisms yet and dealers have continued to sell new models affected by the recall, so Toyota announced yesterday that it's suspending the sale and production of these eight models for the week of February 1. It was a bold move that made headlines, as Toyota stands to lose a lot of money. On the other hand, the Japanese automaker got some pats on the back for doing the right thing. Turns out, the decision to stop producing these vehicles wasn't made by Toyota alone. The Detroit News reports that Toyota is required by law to stop selling the vehicles since there is no fix available yet. David Strickland, the new administrator of the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration, said that Toyota consulted with his agency, which informed the automaker of its obligations and it complied. That still doesn't answer why these recalled vehicles were being sold five days after the recall was announced. Nevertheless, Toyota spokesman Mike Michels is reported saying that the company's decision to stop selling the recalled vehicles was voluntary, but that they also had a legal requirement to do so. How do you voluntary do something that you're obligated to do? In related news, General Motors has confirmed to Autoblog's sister site, AOL Autos, that it is putting a hold on all remaining Pontiac Vibe sales, as the model is under recall for the same throttle issue that afflicts its mechanical twin, the Toyota Matrix. Fortunately for GM, there are apparently only six Vibe units left in stock nationwide as the brand's shutdown continues. http://www.autoblog.com/2010/01/27/report-...d-mod/#comments This post has been edited by aphophis: 27 Jan 2010, 20:01

E vorba de modelele ce au fost afectate de faptul ca au fost cazuri cand masina accelera singura, fara posibilitatea de a fi oprita foarte usor. Pana acum au dat vina pe covorase (care cica agatau), apoi pe designul pedalelor (recall in curs), problema fiind se pare la ecu . Se pare ca nici ei nu stiu 100% care e problema, cert e ca pe forumuri se discuta ca toyota nu are nu stiu ce sistem de protectie, ca atunci cand calci frana si acceleratia, frana sa aiba intaietate. Se pare ca sunt si modele europene implicate, stiu ca acum cateva zile ziceau ca vor face recall si la modelele europene:

Toyota has announced that it will halt sales of eight models due to its ongoing problems with unintended acceleration. At issue are accelerator pedal mechanisms that could get stuck in the open position due to wear, causing the vehicle to accelerate uncontrollably. Earlier this month, Toyota announced a recall of 2.3 million vehicles with the possible defect.

Late last year, the Japanese automaker recalled nearly four million vehicles for floor mats that could trap accelerator pedals, also causing unintended acceleration. The two issues are apparently unrelated, though a total of 1.7 million vehicles are affected by both issues.

The following eight models are included in the sales suspension (you can see them all in the gallery below):

    * 2009-2010 RAV4

2-26-10-toyota-pedal-recall--(4).jpg

    * 2009-2010 Corolla

2-26-10-toyota-pedal-recall--(3).jpg

    * 2009-2010 Matrix

2-26-10-toyota-pedal-recall--(2).jpg

    * 2005-2010 Avalon
2-26-10-toyota-pedal-recall--(5).jpg

    * Certain 2007-2010 Camry models

2-26-10-toyota-pedal-recall-.jpg

    * 2010 Highlander

2-26-10-toyota-pedal-recall--(6).jpg

    * 2007-2010 Tundra

2-26-10-toyota-pedal-recall--(1).jpg

    * 2008-2010 Sequoia

2-26-10-toyota-pedal-recall--(7).jpg

No Lexus or Scion sales have been halted, and due to the sales suspension of the above eight models, a number of manufacturing plants will be shut down for at least the week of February 1st. Click past the break for all the details on the recall and the plants being shuttered in North America.

*UPDATE: Toyota has confirmed to us that the Camry Hybrid and Highlander Hybrid are not included in the sales suspension. Toyota has also reiterated that no Lexus or Scion models are included as these cars are built in Japan.

27 Jan 2010, 20:01:
se pare ca toyota a fost (oarecum) obligata de nhtsa sa opreasca vanzarea modelelor cu probleme

Toyota has quite the PR nightmare on its hands. The boiling cauldron of complaints surrounding unintended acceleration issues bubbled over this month with two separate but giant recalls. The latest involves eight Toyota models that contain defective accelerator pedal mechanisms that could stick over time due to wear.

There is no fix available for the pedal mechanisms yet and dealers have continued to sell new models affected by the recall, so Toyota announced yesterday that it's suspending the sale and production of these eight models for the week of February 1. It was a bold move that made headlines, as Toyota stands to lose a lot of money. On the other hand, the Japanese automaker got some pats on the back for doing the right thing.

Turns out, the decision to stop producing these vehicles wasn't made by Toyota alone. The Detroit News reports that Toyota is required by law to stop selling the vehicles since there is no fix available yet. David Strickland, the new administrator of the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration, said that Toyota consulted with his agency, which informed the automaker of its obligations and it complied. That still doesn't answer why these recalled vehicles were being sold five days after the recall was announced.

Nevertheless, Toyota spokesman Mike Michels is reported saying that the company's decision to stop selling the recalled vehicles was voluntary, but that they also had a legal requirement to do so. How do you voluntary do something that you're obligated to do?

In related news, General Motors has confirmed to Autoblog's sister site, AOL Autos, that it is putting a hold on all remaining Pontiac Vibe sales, as the model is under recall for the same throttle issue that afflicts its mechanical twin, the Toyota Matrix. Fortunately for GM, there are apparently only six Vibe units left in stock nationwide as the brand's shutdown continues.

http://www.autoblog.com/2010/01/27/report-...d-mod/#comments

This post has been edited by aphophis: 27 Jan 2010, 20:01

si mitul japonezelor s-a....

Așa e, mai ales că nu e vorba de un mit, dar oricum noroc că încă stă în picioare mitul cum că americanii au ceva în cap...

This post has been edited by C a t a l i n: 27 Jan 2010, 20:22

poate e si un mit, din moment ce la toyota cel putin recallurile vin pe banda rulanta. Si nu e vorba de covorase (altfel ar fi vandut masinile fara acele covorase), nu e vorba nici de o eroare de design a pedalelor , ci cel mai probabil problema vine de la ecu. Cel putin asta am citit eu pe forumurile americane. Si se pare ca totul se trage de la ritmul de crestere a toyotei, care in dorinta de a ajunge numarul 1 mondial, a grabit procesul de conceptie a modelelor sale, facand multe testatari pe calculator si prea putine testari in practica. De aici pornind problemele pe care le are toyota. Oricum in state s-a cam creat un curent anti toyota, datorita problemelor pe care le-au avut unele modele la motor (sludge nu stiu ce , cica a fost o eroare de proiectare a motoarelor pentru a "pacali" oarecum normele de poluare), cu rugina etc. Totul pornind de la faptul ca toyota a incercat sa puna batista pe tambal, in loc sa recunoasca problemele.

Ca fapt divers, sludge e cu totul altceva...
Că s-a creat curent anti Toyota în State ai dreptate... Că doar producătorii americani sunt în groapă... D-asta e Toyota strânsă cu ușa... Dacă ai gândi logic, fără ochelari de cal, ți-ai da seama că nici la ECU nu poate fi problema... ECU nu împiedică apăsarea frânei, și nici nu dezactivează ceva din sistemul de frânare...

Mă rog, fiecare crede ce vrea...

pai cica se poate sa fie de la ecu, din moment ce masina are drive by wire (adica daca am inteles eu bine, controlul e digital, practic informatia circula de la volan la roti & shit , digital). Nu stiu daca are de a face cu caderea celor 2 , insa toyota nu prea a putut sa dea explicatii despre ce se intampla cu adevarat cu masinile lor si de ce nu au dupa 6 luni de cand s-a aflat public despre asta, o rezolvare pentru aceste masini.

E drive by wire accelerația și eventual ambreiajul, dacă servesc ăia pe acolo așa ceva... Frâna nu e, e clasică...
Amintește-ți declarațiile căpcăunilor de la volan, cum că au apăsat frâna și mașina accelera... Încă mai crezi că au apăsat frâna în loc de accelerație?
Cu motorul turat la maxim, la orice mașină, dacă apeși frâna mașina reduce viteza și se oprește, pentru că sistemul de frânare e mult mai puternic decât motorul de pe acea mașină... nicidecum nu accelerează...

haide bre crezi ca aia is dobitoci sa nu stie care e frana si care e acceleratia, si toti dobitocii astia sa se fi adunat doar la toyota? Stiu ca s-a mai discutat, insa nu gasesc topicul, am dat link spre niste povesti ale unor americani care au patit, si spuneau clar ca ei apasau frana si masina in loc sa franeze accelera. Parca dadusem exemplu unei tipe cu un prius ce a patit chestia asta. SI parca tin minte ca ziceau astia ca atat acceleratia cat si frana sunt "fly by wire"

This post has been edited by aphophis: 27 Jan 2010, 20:47

Așa ziceau? Păi fly by wire e la avioane... Dacă ei nu fac diferența între a conduce și a zbura, vrei să mai știe ce pedală apasă?

nu ei ziceau ci media, aia de pe forumuri.. acuma seriosi, la fel toyota prima data i-a acuzat pe proprietari (erau si niste procese pornite impotriva toyota, pt ca stia de probleme, dar le-a ascuns). ca apoi sa zica ca stai putin, ca parca ar fi o problema dar e de la covorase. Ca apoi sa revina si sa zica ca nu e de la covorase ci de la designul pedalelor. Pana la urma se pare ca e de la ecu..

Nu uita că SUA e țara în care sunt etichete de tipul "idiot proof" peste tot, mai multe și mai hilare decât în orice altă parte. În plus NHTSA nu e cel mai obiectiv organ în măsură să investigheze, iar constatările de care zici sunt ale lor, nu ale Toyota... Și încă o chestie, înțeleg că SUA e piața numărul 1 de desfacere pt Toyota, dar modele similare, și dacă nu modele, măcar subansamble identice se vând în toată lumea... Cum dracu n-a rămas nimeni fără frână decât acolo?

mai asa o fi ca acolo daca esti idiot si ai noroc de o firma care sa calce pe bec, poti sa scoti multi bani, insa asta nu inseamna ca automat nu exista probleme la toyota. Nu ti se pare suspect cum toyota inca bajbaie in gasirea solutiei pt aceasta problema?

Păi dacă se luptă cu morile de vânt... E cam greu să reproduci evenimentul, fără să încurci pedalele... Toyota trebuie să demonstreze că ăia n-au frânat... Cam greu...

Mai bine ar aduce modele alea la un pret rezonabil pe piata noastra!
M-as baga la un Highlander hibrid, vandut la pretul din State, chiar si cu probleme la franare.
Acum la modul serios chiar nu i se pare nimanui dubios ca Toyota are "brusc" probleme tocmai cand GM scartaie si ar fi in pericol sa-si piarda intaietatea la vanzari?
N-ar fi prima data cand americanii folosesc mijloace "neortodoxe" ca sa-si protejeze industria. Mai ales ca din cate vad sunt modele din gamele cele mai vandute in State si concurenti direct pentru GM (Chevy Malibu vs. Camry, GMC toata gama vs Highlander, Tundra si Sequoia).

garett tocmai ca zilele trecute citisem o stire cum ca GM nu mai face fata la comenzi si au marit productia.

În legătură cu accidentele respective, eu unul înţelesesem la momentul respectiv că era o problemă de proiectare a priorităţilor în ECU. În speţă, ECU acorda o prioritate mai mare accelerării decât frânării, reducând puterea către servofrână - se considera că necesitatea de a accelera este mai pregnantă decât aceea de a frâna. Cum pedala era înţepenită de covoraş, servofrâna nu făcea faţă, forţa de frânare directă neputând balansa forţa de accelerare.

Postul de aici.

This post has been edited by Squirrel: 28 Jan 2010, 09:11

exact de asta ziceam in privinta ecu-ului. Cat despre recall si teoria conspiratiei, ma indoiesc, mai ales ca toyota se pare ca va face un recall la nivel mondial..

TheDetroitBureau.com is reporting that Toyota is currently in discussions with other world governments and safety agencies about expanding its latest recall involving defective accelerator pedal mechanisms that may cause unintended acceleration. Eight models are included in the current U.S. recall, which affects some 2.3 million Toyota branded vehicles. Without a fix for the issue, Toyota is required by law to stop production and sales of the vehicles, which it did yesterday – some five days after the recall was announced. Toyota also announced another recall earlier this month affecting 4.2 million vehicles with floor mats that could trap accelerator pedals, also causing unintended acceleration, and while the two issues are said to be unrelated, around 1.7 million vehicles are affected by both recalls.

At the heart of this latest recall are accelerator pedal mechanisms produced by Indiana-based CTS Corp. at its plant in Mississauga, Ontario. What's not immediately known is whether the pedal mechanisms produced by CTS Corp. have been used in any models sold outside North America, or whether the problem with these parts is in their manufacturing or an issue with their design, choice of materials, etc. If it's the latter, the defective pedal mechanisms could be produced in other Toyota supplier plants around the world and be used in millions more vehicles than the ones covered by this latest recall in the U.S.

Toyota has not officially commented whether or not its considering expanding the recall to other markets, or other brands like Lexus and Scion. Stay tuned as more news about Toyota and its recall woes continues to surface.

http://www.autoblog.com/2010/01/27/report-...-recall-global/

Vezi că iar te contrazici prin citatele pe care le dai... Ba e ECU, ba e mecanismul pedalei de accelerație, ba nu frânează...

Cât despre servofrână, având în vedere principiul de funcționare al acesteia, sunt curios cum poate fi aceasta dezactivată de ECU, și în ce scop ar fi fost proiectat să facă asta...

e vorb de ce zicea colegul de mai sus. Ca se acorda o importanta mai mare acceleratiei decat franei. Se pare ca e ceva scris aiurea in codul ala. Nu m-a mira sa fie un cumul de factori de fapt si sa fie toate 3

si tot ce e japonez e bun...

e atat de greu sa recunosti ca toyota a facut o prostie..si acum nu stie sa o mai dreaga.... mama sunteti mai fanatici decat tdi stii

iar teoria conspiratiei americane cade..pt ca afectate sunt fabricile din SUA...unde se produc aceste modele...

This post has been edited by b76bgaarh: 28 Jan 2010, 10:40

Băi inginerilor, ce treabă are frâna cu ECU? Ce prioritate? Astea sunt povești scornite să facă credibilă mizeria asta...

Mă mir că în România nu s-a materializat nicio mizerie d-asta... Că doritori de a scoate bani de pe spinarea unei firme mari sunt și pe aici destui... Dar probabil n-au găsit încă un context favorabil și nici legislația nu le e foarte propice...

eu nu am cunostine foarte bune auto dar mi se pare de bun simt. Daca semnalele de la frana, acceleratie sunt trimise digital inspre ecu , daca functia de accelerare are prioritate in fata franei, atunci ala va incerca mai intai sa accelereze inainte sa permita franarea. Nu stim noi cum e scris softul ala si nici ce merge prost (ca daca ar fi fost asa, probabil isi dadea si toyota seama si nu se mai facea de kko) , insa cei mai multi zic ca nu au de a face in nici un caz cu covorasele alea si nici cu prostia utilizatorilor. Deci e o problema de-a masinii.

iar tu maersk ca un adevarat specialist roman in toyota america.. ai gasit problema..... americanii sunt de vina....

revin cu afirmatia... este atat de greu sa recunosti ca toyota e de cacao la aceasta faza si au facut ce fac toti producatorii: profit reducand calitatea...

This post has been edited by b76bgaarh: 28 Jan 2010, 10:46

Acum o saptamana era un reportaj la nemti, o baba si-a furat-o de la un bmw. A sarit in balta cu o masina. Testau aia covorase, isi dadeau cu parerea tot specialistii, bla, bla...

Frâna e MECANICĂ!!!

serios.... nu e servoasista??? nu cumva e electrica asistarea aia??? ai vazut tu schema la modelul de america... ca nu are si o comanda data din unitatea centrala....

Si acum va veti intreba de ce e inchis threadul, oare?

Cand aveti informatii noi apasati butonul p_report.gif

se pare ca problema e destul de serioasa, toyota extinde recallul si in europa si in china: http://www.detnews.com/article/20100128/AU...xtends-to-China

Just as we reported yesterday, Toyota has confirmed the recall announced last week for sticking accelerator pedals will be expanded beyond the U.S. and soon include Europe.

Up until now, the recall had affected only eight models built in North America at plants that were supplied defective accelerator pedal mechanisms by Indiana-based CTS Corp. Certain other models, specifically all Lexus and Scion models, were excluded from the recall because they are built in Japan and use a similar part but from a different supplier. It's unclear exactly where Toyota's European assembly plants got the defective mechanisms, from CTS Corp. or another supplier manufacturing the same defective part.

As of yet, Toyota isn't certain how many vehicles in Europe will be affected by the sticky accelerator recall, saying "the models and exact number of potentially affected vehicles is under investigation." However, unlike here in the U.S. where production for all eight recalled models is being halted for a week on February 1, production in Europe will continue as a replacement part has already been implemented in the production process.

Until the official recall is issued, Toyota is encouraging concerned European customers to contact customer service for assistance. Follow the jump for the announcement from the company's UK headquarters.

http://www.autoblog.com/2010/01/28/confirm...urope/#comments

se pare ca probleme acceleratiei toyota, ce o ia razna a intrat si in vizorul "parlamentului" (ca nu stiu cum sa ii zic mai bine) american, pentru a investiga felul cum toyota a tratat aceasta problema. Totodata investigheaza si felul cum acest incident a fost dat "uitarii " de nhtsa , urmat de trecerea unui angajat nhtsa la toyota

As it's wont to do, the U.S. House of Representatives has decided to investigate Toyota over its recent recalls involving possible unintended acceleration caused by both floor mats and defective accelerator pedal mechanisms. The House Energy and Commerce committee will hold a hearing on February 25 to "examine the persistent consumer complaints of sudden unintended acceleration in vehicles manufactured by Toyota Motor Corporation," this according to committee chairman Henry Waxman, D-Calif (above). Not only will Toyota be on the hot seat, but the committee will also investigate how well the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration has handled the situation.

The Detroit News reports that Toyota officials already met with members of the committee on Wednesday. They were asked to provide the committee with information and documents and will be expected to answer questions at the hearing about when they first learned of cases involving unintended acceleration in their vehicles and what steps were taken to safeguard customers who might be at risk. They'll probably also be asked about the connection between NHTSA and Toyota through one Mr. Christopher Santucci, a former NHTSA employee who took a job with Toyota around the same time these issues were first being investigated.

It's also fair to point out that this isn't the first time a recall has gained the attention of Capitol Hill. The recall involving Firestone tires on Ford Explorers in 2000 sparked Congressional hearings, for instance.

http://www.autoblog.com/2010/01/28/breakin...toyota-recalls/

Oarecum ontopic se pare ca si la honda urmeaza un recall:

646.000 de masini din modele Jazz si City, vandute in intreaga lume, vor fi rechemate la reparatii de constructorul auto nipon Honda din cauza unei defectiuni la instalatia electrica a geamurilor, care poate cauza incendii.

Potrivit Reuters, Honda a luat aceasta hotarare dupa ce un copil a murit anul trecut intr-un incendiu provocat de respectiva defectiune.

Respectivele masini au fost vandute in Europa, America de Nord, America de Sud, Asia, dar nu si Japonia.

Constructorul auto va verifica si modifica comutatoarele electrice de pe usa din partea şoferului, deoarece acestea, in unele cazuri, se pot scurtcircuita in urma contactului cu apa.

Ce au patit japonezele astea oare?