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giroc20
post 11 May 2008, 10:17
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Am si eu o nelamurire:

http://www.dacia.ro/logan/date-tehnice
http://renault.ro/vn/symbol_f2/p51.php

Stiind ca motorul este acealsi pentru logan si clio symbol (1.4l 75CP, 112NM pt. logan si 114Nm pt clio symbol), de ce cuplul maxim pentru dacia se obtine la 3000rot/min iar la clio la 4250 rot/min? Unde e greseala?


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post 11 May 2008, 10:36
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Nu e nicio greseala ... E doar alta cutie. smile.gif
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post 11 May 2008, 10:39
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Ce treaba are cutia cu CUPLUL MOTOR?

Cutia influențează CUPLUL LA ROATĂ.

Datele sunt diferite pentru că nu e EXACT același motor.


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post 11 May 2008, 11:12
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Symbolul de 1.4 "trage" mai bine pentru ca are alta cutie, doua motoare absolut identice n-au cum sa aiba valori atat de diferite.


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post 11 May 2008, 11:13
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ba pot,alt soft,probabil si alta diagrama de distributie..


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post 11 May 2008, 11:41
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Cutia de viteze este aceasi

totusi, diferenta este destul de mare de turatie. Am facut o cercetare pe net si uite ce am gasit la ceilalti constructori (aceasi putere, aceasi cilindree):

http://fiat.com.ro/fise/albea.pdf

VW POLO 1,4l 75CP

Tehnica
Cilindree (L/cm3) 1,4 / 1390
Alezaj / Cursa (mm) 76,5 / 75,6
putere max., kW (CP) la 1/min 75
Cuplu motor max., Nm la 1/min 126 / 3800
Rapot de comprimare 10,5
Norma de poluare EU4
Alternator, A/Baterie, A(Ah)
Cutie de viteze manuala 70 / 220 (44)
Cutie automata/tiptronic 70 / 280 (60)
Carburant benzina
Consum carburant combinat, l/100 Km
Cutie de viteze manuala 6,4 - 6,5
Cutie automata/tiptronic 7,4 - 7,6
Capacitate rezervor carburant (l) ca. 45
Cutie de viteze C utie manuala cu 5 trepte
Emisii CO2, g/km
Cutie de viteze manuala 154 - 156
Cutie automata/tiptronic 178 - 182
Timp accelerare de la 0-80 / 0-100 km/h, s
Cutie de viteze manuala 8,6 / 12,9
Cutie automata/tiptronic 9,9 / 15,3
Viteza maxima, km/h
Cutie de viteze manuala 172
Cutie automata/tiptronic 168


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post 11 May 2008, 11:47
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QUOTE(ArtVandelay @ 11 May 2008, 11:13)
ba pot,alt soft,probabil si alta diagrama de distributie..
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E clar ca trebuie sa fie ceva modificare la soft. In acceptia mea chiar daca modifici partea soft motoarele numai sunt identice, pentru ca motorul nu mai e demult doar un ansamblu de fiare. In fine e doar un joc de cuvinte.


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post 11 May 2008, 12:18
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s-ar putea loganu sa aiba euro4 si astfel sa fie nitel mai gatuit iar clio euro3 si de aici diferenta de cuplu, dar turatiile la care se obtin pot fi doar un alt management al motorului adica alt soft bun pt conditiile din turcia de exemplu. Oricum e o vrajeala ca noi tot nu folosim caii aia si cuplul la ralanti doar in mers deci mai reduceti din datele oficiale 5 sau 10% si aia e puterea si cuplul disponibil la roata!


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post 11 May 2008, 12:27
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Diferenta asa mare intre turatiile de cuplu maxim nu obtii numai din soft... ci din alta cama.


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post 11 May 2008, 12:56
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si e mai bine sa fie cuplul maxim cat mai jos adica in jur de 3000 rot/min? sau mai sus in jur de 4000rot/min?


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post 11 May 2008, 13:01
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mai jos,pentru condus de zi cu zi,mai sus pentru curse

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post 11 May 2008, 16:25
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Nu sunt aceleasi motoare. Cel de pe Symbol e model mai nou, cel putin asa mi-a spus un mecanic Renault.


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post 11 May 2008, 16:31
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eu stiam ca e invers ......poate ne lumineaza cineva si ne spune cum e cu motoarele astea.


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