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cam putin 3k brut daca mai ai si experienta si esti bun in ceea ce faci, fa-ti un cont pe http://www.monster.de/ si vezi poate pica ceva mai bun. Odata ce o companie de nivel mediu l-a incadrat la categoria de experienta respectiva, cu salariul respectiv, poti fi sigur ca orice alta companie din DE il va incadra tot pe acolo. <span class='edit'>22 Sep 2011, 20:31:</span> Hai sa nu ramanem datori, deocamdata cu Germania pentru masini din afara eu: a. Export Permit A permit is not necessary for the export of motor vehicles manufactured in Canada or in other countries. The export of motor vehicles manufactured in the US is controlled under item 5400 of the Export Control List. However, there would be no need to obtain an individual export permit nor would there be a requirement for prior written authorization before exporting to Germany. The goods may be exported under the authority of General Export Permit (GEP) 12 to Germany. To use this GEP, it may simply be written "GEP-12" in the appropriate box of the Canada Customs' export declaration (B-13) form. b. Customs Tariffs and Import Duties A motor vehicle is subject to import duties (Zoll) and import value added tax (EinfuhrUmsatzteur / EUST) either when crossing the German border or at a later date (for example, following the expiry of the car's original Canadian registration). Note. Vehicles imported for private use for a maximum of 6 months are exempt from taxation under certain conditions. The vehicle must be registered outside the EU while visiting Germany. However, there is a time limit of 6 months (with or without interruptions) within any given 12 month period. Lending or renting out the vehicle or giving it away for whatever reason to a citizen of an EC member country is prohibited. Note: Automobiles which are considered household goods are also duty and tax free when moving to Germany to establish residence, if the following criteria apply; The vehicle has been in possession of the individual moving to Germany and was registered abroad at least 6 months prior to arrival in Germany, Proof of residency outside the EU for 12 months before moving is provided, The vehicle is intended for personal use only, The individual registers a residence in Germany, The vehicle must be immediately registered with the Local Motor Vehicle Branch (see Section 3.c. Registration Procedure), The vehicle must not be sold, lent, rented or pawned for one year after import After payment of all duties and taxes a customs receipt or clearance certificate (Zollquittung) or otherwise a permit of customs exemption (Unbedenklichkeitsbe-scheinigung) is usually issued. Remember: This document will be needed to register the vehicle (see Section 3.c Registration Procedure). The following tariff and tax rates are charged equally for every kind of imported motor vehicle: Import duty: 10 % based on the purchase price + freight costs to the place of destination in Germany +freight insurance. Value Added Tax (EUST): 15 % based on the purchase price + freight costs + import duty, 7% for vintage cars and collector's vehicles under certain circumstances. It is standard procedure to present a recent dealer's invoice to declare the market value of the vehicle. However, if this is not fair market value, customs officials can determine the value by referring, to a dealer's car-buying guide ("Schwacke Liste") or demand a certified appraisal ( Wertgutachten). Note: We recommend that private importers, who do not have a recent invoice of their vehicle or who ship an uncommon type of car, have their car appraised before declaring the value. This should avoid lengthy discussions afterwards. If necessary, appraisals can be arranged in Germany. Local branches of the DEKRA organization (see the Appendix) offer such services and staff certified experts. For a fee, some shipping agencies complete clearance and customs formalities on your behalf. For further questions contact German Customs directly (see the Appendix). Din EU: Importing a Vehicle from Another EU Country Prior to registering a vehicle in Germany it must have an EU certificate of conformity (Konformitätsbescheinigung or EWG - Übereinstimmungsbescheinigung) to ensure it conforms to German road safety standards. In 1996 an EU regulation came into effect requiring vehicle manufacturers to provide an "operational standard certificate" (EU-Betriebserlaubnis) to allow cars bought in EU countries to be imported without undergoing additional technical examination regarding conformity. These certificates can be expensive due to the technical expertise required to carry out the inspection. The German Automobile association ADAC warns people to beware of falsified certificates. If the vehicle does not have this certificate (if it is too old, for example) it must be inspected by the TÜV (Technische Überwachungs-Verein) or DEKRA (in the new Federal States, formerly East Germany), who will issue the certificate if it meets the required standards. The following information is required: manufacturer and type of vehicle chassis number model year Importing a new vehicle If a new vehicle is imported, then duty (Umsatzsteuer) must be paid to the local tax office (Finanzamt) within ten days of the date of sale. Proof of this is needed to register the vehicle. It will also require a tax clearance certificate (Unbedenklichkeitsbescheinigung) from the Federal Motor Vehicle Authority (Kraftfahrtbundesamt) Kraftfahrtbundesamt At: Fördestraße 16, 24944 Flensburg Tel: 046 131 60 e-mail Website Importing a used vehicle In line with EU regulations no duty is payable on a used vehicle imported for personal use provided that the VAT has been paid in the EU country of origin, and that it has been owned and registered in that country and has been driven for at least 6,000 Km prior to entry in to Germany. The following documents are required to import a used vehicle from another EU country: Proof of vehicle ownership (for example an original bill of sale or receipt) Original vehicle registration documents Current vehicle insurance documentation If applicable, EU certificate of conformity (Konformitäts-bescheinigung or EWG - Übereinstimmungsbescheinigung) or a certificate of exhaust emission testing which conforms to German TÜV/DEKRA standards Certificate of exhaust emissions (AU-Bescheinigung) test for all vehicles over three years old A tax clearance certificate (Unbedenklichkeitsbescheinigung) from the Federal Motor Vehicle Authority (Kraftfahrtbundesamt) to confirm that the vehicle has not already been registered in Germany. To obtain the certificate request a verification that the car has not been registered before from: Kraftfahrtbundesamt At: Fördestraße 16, 24944 Flensburg Tel: 046 131 60 e-mail Website Registration To register a new or used vehicle the following must be taken to the local vehicle registration office (Kraftfahrzeugzulassungsstelle): Proof of identity (current passport or identity card) Proof of residency (polizeiliche Anmeldung) Proof that duty has been paid (Mitteilung der Umsatzsteuer)(if applicable) Proof of insurance (Doppelkarte) Original vehicle registration documents Tax clearance certificate (Unbedenklichkeitsbescheinigung) If the vehicle is to be registered as a company vehicle then a copy of the extract from the commercial register (Handelsregisterauszug) or business registration (Gewerbeanmeldung) is required If a third party is registering the vehicle on someone else's behalf they need a letter from the vehicle owner confirming authorisation (Vollmacht) and this must be presented to the registration authorities along with the owner's passport European Certificate of Conformity (EU-Konformitätsbescheinigung) issued by the manufacturer or their agent Vehicles without a European Certificate of Conformity must have a roadworthiness certificate Proof of ownership documents, for example a receipt (Originalrechnung) or bill of sale (Kaufvertrag) Vehicle licence plates Note: If a vehicle is less than six months old or has been driven less than 6,000 Km it is still classed as "new". Proof that duty has been paid (Mitteilung der Umsatzsteuer) will also be required. Proof of ownership documents will be returned, but the foreign vehicle registration documents will be kept and returned to the respective authorities in the country of origin. Original number plates on used cars will either be destroyed or returned. Where and When to Register a Vehicle Foreign vehicles staying for up to one year in Germany do not have to be registered, but a German translation of the vehicle's registration certificate is necessary to bring the vehicle into Germany. After a twelve month period the vehicle will become liable for German registration and the accompanying statutory roadworthiness tests. To register a vehicle, visit the local Vehicle Registration Office (Kraftfahrzeugzulassungsstelle). For an alphabetical list of offices: Click here Or use the search engine for locating the nearest office: Click here The procedure and necessary documents differ slightly depending on whether the vehicle is being imported from inside the EU or from elsewhere. Acu, sper ca s-a lamurit si ala de a aruncat piatra in balta sa se chinuie 10 intelepti sa o scoata. Piatra. This post has been edited by neumann: 22 Sep 2011, 19:46

cam putin 3k brut daca mai ai si experienta si esti bun in ceea ce faci, fa-ti un cont pe http://www.monster.de/ si vezi poate pica ceva mai bun.

Odata ce o companie de nivel mediu l-a incadrat la categoria de experienta respectiva, cu salariul respectiv, poti fi sigur ca orice alta companie din DE il va incadra tot pe acolo.

<span class='edit'>22 Sep 2011, 20:31:</span>
Hai sa nu ramanem datori, deocamdata cu Germania pentru masini din afara eu:

a. Export Permit

A permit is not necessary for the export of motor vehicles manufactured in Canada or in other countries.

The export of motor vehicles manufactured in the US is controlled under item 5400 of the Export Control List. However, there would be no need to obtain an individual export permit nor would there be a requirement for prior written authorization before exporting to Germany.

The goods may be exported under the authority of General Export Permit (GEP) 12 to Germany. To use this GEP, it may simply be written "GEP-12" in the appropriate box of the Canada Customs' export declaration (B-13) form.

b. Customs Tariffs and Import Duties

A motor vehicle is subject to import duties (Zoll) and import value added tax (EinfuhrUmsatzteur / EUST) either when crossing the German border or at a later date (for example, following the expiry of the car's original Canadian registration).

Note. Vehicles imported for private use for a maximum of 6 months are exempt from taxation under certain conditions.

The vehicle must be registered outside the EU while visiting Germany. However, there is a time limit of 6 months (with or without interruptions) within any given 12 month period. Lending or renting out the vehicle or giving it away for whatever reason to a citizen of an EC member country is prohibited.

Note: Automobiles which are considered household goods are also duty and tax free when moving to Germany to establish residence, if the following criteria apply;

The vehicle has been in possession of the individual moving to Germany and was registered abroad at least 6 months prior to arrival in Germany,
Proof of residency outside the EU for 12 months before moving is provided,
The vehicle is intended for personal use only,
The individual registers a residence in Germany,
The vehicle must be immediately registered with the Local Motor Vehicle Branch (see Section 3.c. Registration Procedure),
The vehicle must not be sold, lent, rented or pawned for one year after import
After payment of all duties and taxes a customs receipt or clearance certificate (Zollquittung) or otherwise a permit of customs exemption (Unbedenklichkeitsbe-scheinigung) is usually issued.

Remember: This document will be needed to register the vehicle (see Section 3.c Registration Procedure).

The following tariff and tax rates are charged equally for every kind of imported motor vehicle:

Import duty: 10 % based on the purchase price + freight costs to the place of destination in Germany +freight insurance.

Value Added Tax (EUST): 15 % based on the purchase price + freight costs + import duty,

7% for vintage cars and collector's vehicles under certain circumstances.

It is standard procedure to present a recent dealer's invoice to declare the market value of the vehicle. However, if this is not fair market value, customs officials can determine the value by referring, to a dealer's car-buying guide ("Schwacke Liste") or demand a certified appraisal ( Wertgutachten).

Note: We recommend that private importers, who do not have a recent invoice of their vehicle or who ship an uncommon type of car, have their car appraised before declaring the value. This should avoid lengthy discussions afterwards.

If necessary, appraisals can be arranged in Germany. Local branches of the DEKRA organization (see the Appendix) offer such services and staff certified experts. For a fee, some shipping agencies complete clearance and customs formalities on your behalf.

For further questions contact German Customs directly (see the Appendix).

Din EU:

Importing a Vehicle from Another EU Country
Prior to registering a vehicle in Germany it must have an EU certificate of conformity (Konformitätsbescheinigung or EWG - Übereinstimmungsbescheinigung) to ensure it conforms to German road safety standards. In 1996 an EU regulation came into effect requiring vehicle manufacturers to provide an "operational standard certificate" (EU-Betriebserlaubnis) to allow cars bought in EU countries to be imported without undergoing additional technical examination regarding conformity. These certificates can be expensive due to the technical expertise required to carry out the inspection. The German Automobile association ADAC warns people to beware of falsified certificates.

If the vehicle does not have this certificate (if it is too old, for example) it must be inspected by the TÜV (Technische Überwachungs-Verein) or DEKRA (in the new Federal States, formerly East Germany), who will issue the certificate if it meets the required standards.

The following information is required:

manufacturer and type of vehicle
chassis number
model year
Importing a new vehicle
If a new vehicle is imported, then duty (Umsatzsteuer) must be paid to the local tax office (Finanzamt) within ten days of the date of sale. Proof of this is needed to register the vehicle. It will also require a tax clearance certificate (Unbedenklichkeitsbescheinigung) from the Federal Motor Vehicle Authority (Kraftfahrtbundesamt)

Kraftfahrtbundesamt
At: Fördestraße 16, 24944 Flensburg
Tel: 046 131 60
e-mail
Website
Importing a used vehicle
In line with EU regulations no duty is payable on a used vehicle imported for personal use provided that the VAT has been paid in the EU country of origin, and that it has been owned and registered in that country and has been driven for at least 6,000 Km prior to entry in to Germany.

The following documents are required to import a used vehicle from another EU country:

Proof of vehicle ownership (for example an original bill of sale or receipt)
Original vehicle registration documents
Current vehicle insurance documentation
If applicable, EU certificate of conformity (Konformitäts-bescheinigung or EWG - Übereinstimmungsbescheinigung) or a certificate of exhaust emission testing which conforms to German TÜV/DEKRA standards
Certificate of exhaust emissions (AU-Bescheinigung) test for all vehicles over three years old
A tax clearance certificate (Unbedenklichkeitsbescheinigung) from the Federal Motor Vehicle Authority (Kraftfahrtbundesamt) to confirm that the vehicle has not already been registered in Germany. To obtain the certificate request a verification that the car has not been registered before from:
Kraftfahrtbundesamt
At: Fördestraße 16, 24944 Flensburg
Tel: 046 131 60
e-mail
Website
Registration
To register a new or used vehicle the following must be taken to the local vehicle registration office (Kraftfahrzeugzulassungsstelle):

Proof of identity (current passport or identity card)
Proof of residency (polizeiliche Anmeldung)
Proof that duty has been paid (Mitteilung der Umsatzsteuer)(if applicable)
Proof of insurance (Doppelkarte)
Original vehicle registration documents
Tax clearance certificate (Unbedenklichkeitsbescheinigung)
If the vehicle is to be registered as a company vehicle then a copy of the extract from the commercial register (Handelsregisterauszug) or business registration (Gewerbeanmeldung) is required
If a third party is registering the vehicle on someone else's behalf they need a letter from the vehicle owner confirming authorisation (Vollmacht) and this must be presented to the registration authorities along with the owner's passport
European Certificate of Conformity (EU-Konformitätsbescheinigung) issued by the manufacturer or their agent
Vehicles without a European Certificate of Conformity must have a roadworthiness certificate
Proof of ownership documents, for example a receipt (Originalrechnung) or bill of sale (Kaufvertrag)
Vehicle licence plates
Note: If a vehicle is less than six months old or has been driven less than 6,000 Km it is still classed as "new". Proof that duty has been paid (Mitteilung der Umsatzsteuer) will also be required.

Proof of ownership documents will be returned, but the foreign vehicle registration documents will be kept and returned to the respective authorities in the country of origin. Original number plates on used cars will either be destroyed or returned.

Where and When to Register a Vehicle
Foreign vehicles staying for up to one year in Germany do not have to be registered, but a German translation of the vehicle's registration certificate is necessary to bring the vehicle into Germany. After a twelve month period the vehicle will become liable for German registration and the accompanying statutory roadworthiness tests.

To register a vehicle, visit the local Vehicle Registration Office (Kraftfahrzeugzulassungsstelle).

For an alphabetical list of offices: Click here
Or use the search engine for locating the nearest office: Click here
The procedure and necessary documents differ slightly depending on whether the vehicle is being imported from inside the EU or from elsewhere.

Acu, sper ca s-a lamurit si ala de a aruncat piatra in balta sa se chinuie 10 intelepti sa o scoata. Piatra.

This post has been edited by neumann: 22 Sep 2011, 19:46

Doicilant rulz

uber alles.

This post has been edited by corbex: 22 Sep 2011, 19:57

Odata ce o companie de nivel mediu l-a incadrat la categoria de experienta respectiva, cu salariul respectiv, poti fi sigur ca orice alta companie din DE il va incadra tot pe acolo.

io n-as baga mina in foc. exista diferente de salarii intre landuri plus depinde cit de mult il arde pe angajator sa faca rost de resurse noi, nu mai vorbesc de faptul ca s-ar putea sa aiba nevoie de cineva care sa stie si romana sau tot felul de chestii. nu e o regula ca pentru aceleasi cunostinte sa-i dea toti acelasi salar!

io n-as baga mina in foc. exista diferente de salarii intre landuri plus depinde cit de mult il arde pe angajator sa faca rost de resurse noi, nu mai vorbesc de faptul ca s-ar putea sa aiba nevoie de cineva care sa stie si romana sau tot felul de chestii. nu e o regula ca pentru aceleasi cunostinte sa-i dea toti acelasi salar!

Asta si in romania difera de la firma la firma. Eu stiu ca intr-un proces de recrutare se aleg 2-3 oameni si sunt clasati in functie de cunostinte. Pasul urmator sunt banii deoarece fiecare firma are un anumit buget alocat pentru un om (exceptie fac geniile care sunt un must have pentru companie sau firma face un efort sa-l aduca - nu e cazul meu). Daca prima persoana nu accepta suma sau cere peste bugetul alocat se trece la a doua si daca niciuna nu se incadreaza se repeta procesul de recrutare. Cel putin asa e la actuala firma.

Acu, sper ca s-a lamurit si ala de a aruncat piatra in balta sa se chinuie 10 intelepti sa o scoata. Piatra.

Nu-i vorba de a se lamuri cineva personal sau nu.
Ideea era sa-l ajutam pe initiator cu informatia de care avea nevoie. Din ce se pare nu se aplica aceleasi reguli in toate tarile EU.
Oricum ideea de baza ramane, si anume, ca nu cred sa-ti faca nimeni nici o mizerie daca conduci o masina inmatriculata in Romania, dar cu toate actele in regula, chiar si pentru o perioada mai lunga de un an.
De ce spun asta?
Pentru ca nimeni nu poate dovedi data intrarii in tara a masinii, nemaiexistand granite fixe si controale in interiorul Schengen, si chiar daca prin absurd ar fi monitorizat acest lucru, in decurs de un an, ma gandesc ca masina respectiva iese din tara cel putin o data.

Si ar mai fi un aspect deloc neglijabil in afacere. Colegul e cetatean roman (UE), avand doar rezidenta temporara in Germania, caz in care e posibil ca problematica sa fie diferita (ce s-a expus mai sus facea referire exclusiva la importul si inmatricularea de vehicule si nu la obligativitatea diferitelor categorii de rezidenti de a o face). Lucrul asta insa sigur ni-l va spune el cand va primi raspunsul oficial de la firma angajatoare.

In rest, sa auzim doar de bine si succes colegului in experienta internationala.

Respecte.

This post has been edited by RZV: 22 Sep 2011, 23:13

asa este! 

Chiar asa este :

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De curiozitate, daca nu sunt indiscret, cat aveai salariul in .ro? Daca zici ca in .de o sa ai ~2000E pe luna, cred ca un sfat bun ti se poate da in functie de salariul de aici.

Salariul ca sa salariul, poti sa ai foarte bine un salariu bun si aici, dar civilizatia nu o poti cumpara!
Toate chestiile marunte, incepand cu linistea de pe strazi, lipsa manelelor, transportul in comun decent, etc...
@yonutz84: Daca nu vrei sa-ti dai pumni in cap peste cativa ani du-te si nu mai privi inapoi! Viata e prea scurta ca s-o irosesti aici!

Nu-i vorba de a se lamuri cineva personal sau nu.
Ideea era sa-l ajutam pe initiator cu informatia de care avea nevoie. Din ce se pare nu se aplica aceleasi reguli in toate tarile EU.
Oricum ideea de baza ramane, si anume, ca nu cred sa-ti faca nimeni nici o mizerie daca conduci o masina inmatriculata in Romania, dar cu toate actele in regula, chiar si pentru o perioada mai lunga de un an.
De ce spun asta?
Pentru ca nimeni nu poate dovedi data intrarii in tara a masinii, nemaiexistand granite fixe si controale in interiorul Schengen, si chiar daca prin absurd ar fi monitorizat acest lucru, in decurs de un an, ma gandesc ca masina respectiva iese din tara cel putin o data.

Si ar mai fi un aspect deloc neglijabil in afacere. Colegul e cetatean roman (UE), avand doar rezidenta temporara in Germania, caz in care e posibil ca problematica sa fie diferita (ce s-a expus mai sus facea referire exclusiva la importul si inmatricularea de vehicule si nu la obligativitatea diferitelor categorii de rezidenti de a o face). Lucrul asta insa sigur ni-l va spune el cand va primi raspunsul oficial de la firma angajatoare.

In rest, sa auzim doar de bine si succes colegului in experienta internationala.

Respecte.

Trebuie vazut cum e definita rezidenta tempoorara. In cazurile pe care le cunosc eu(nu stiu sigur de Germania), temporar inseamna mai putin de 183 de zile din oricare 365. In alte cazuri, se iau doi ani, si trebuie sa nu stai mai mult de un an cumulat, din oricare doi ani. Rezidena temporara = viza de munca pe perioada determinata. Contractul de munca nedeterminat duce la rezidenta permanenta din punct de vedere al legislatiei - ti se acorda acest DREPT, de rezidenta permanenta.

E adevarat ca nimeni nu verifica deocamdata, loosly reinforced, dar, exista puzderie de camere de supraveghere(le, si poti sa pui softul sa faca asta, cu licence plate recognition). Daca vrei, poti. Acum nu, dar maine cine stie - vezi lalele olandeze, incep unii sa ne faca sicane si cazi la mijloc.

Nu in ultimul rand, daca indeplinesti conditiile de removal goods, inscrierea e aproape gratis. Atunci de ce sa nu o faci? Nu stai la cozi, totul se face prin programari telefonice sau online daca vrei, etc.

This post has been edited by neumann: 23 Sep 2011, 08:57

Spre exemplu in cazul meu (nu e in GERMANIA), contract de munca pe durata nedeterminata = prima rezidenta temporara pentru 5 ani. Daca ai contract de munca pe durata determinata se acorda rezidenta temporara pe durata contractului.
Nu se acorda din prima rezidenta permanenta orice fel de contract ai avea.
La expirarea celor 5 ani, mergi cu un nou set de documente pentru a se extinde perioada sau pentru a primi rezidenta permanenta.

De aceea nici nu e asa de stricta problematica inmatricularii autovehiculelor in tara de rezidenta temporara, considerandu-se ca rezidenta permanenta o ai tot in tara de origine, cu toate beneficiile si dezavantajele aferente. Am un colaborator care folosesete masina inmatriculata in Romania de mai mult de 2 ani de zile fara nici o problema (bineinteles ca in timpul respectiva a facut si o sumedenie drumuri in/din tara).

Insa , cum am vazut, in alte tari sunt alte reguli, asa ca cel mai bine e sa primeasca raspunsul oficial, care cu siguranta il va indruma in care directie e mai convenabil sa se indrepte.

Respecte.

Spre exemplu in cazul meu (nu e in GERMANIA),

da' care? intreb pe bune, sunt chiar curios

slovenia, ca sub avatar?

Anglia.

Albania.

Kosovo. Un tinut cu adevarat autonom.

da' care? intreb pe bune, sunt chiar curios

slovenia, ca sub avatar?

Exact.

Exact.

Ai reusit sa te adaptezi rapid la conditiile de acolo?

Precum ti-am scris si mai sus primele luni sunt cele mai grele. Dupa aia incepi sa te obisnuiesti cu toate si incep sa ti se para firesti obiceiurile, oamenii, etc.
La mine e mai greu ca nu vorbesc limba iti dai seama, si ma simt oarecum marginalizat ca si viata sociala (e si normal).
Dupa prima vizita inapoi in tara, cand a trebuit sa ma intorc inapoi aici mi-a venit efectiv sa "latru". Dar a trecut, si pe zi ce trece imi dau seama ca decizia de fi aici e una dintre cele mai bune luate in decursul anilor.

Ce conteaza foarte mult, la inceput, zic io, e sa-ti gasesti ai un anturaj apropiat de varsta ta, si cu aceleasi preocupari printre colegii de la munca (asta in primul rand). (la mine din pacate lucrul asta nu a fost posibil ).
Avantajul meu e insa ca sunt relativ aproape de casa si fac 8 ore cu masina pana in granita cu Romania, ceea ce imi da un alt comfort psihic (nu stiu daca se intelege).


Respecte.

Ai reusit sa te adaptezi rapid la conditiile de acolo?

Un sfat, ma rog nu din sursa proprie doar din exmple:
Incearca sa nu socializezi doar cu romanii de pe acolo. Am doi colegi in Norvegia, unul plecat de vreo 4 ani celalalt de vreo 9 luni.
Cel plecat de 4 ani socializeaza mai mult cu romanii de prin zona, inca nu vorbeste norvegiana si nici nu prea isi bate capul cu asta.
Amicul celalalt si-a propus din start sa se integreze, a invatat limba si chiar e acceptat si integrat de bastinasi. Acum depinde si de ce vrei tu.

Spre exemplu in cazul meu (nu e in GERMANIA), contract de munca pe durata nedeterminata = prima rezidenta temporara pentru 5 ani.

Asa se acorda peste tot, dar e rezidenta permanenta - platesti taxe acolo, etc - e considerata rezidenta principala - rezidenta temporara inseamna ca mai ai o alta rezidenta permanenta, intr-un alt stat. Dupa 5 ani primesti dreptul definitiv de a sta tara respectiva, ie nu maipoti fi deportat sub nicio forma, si de asemenea poti aplica pentru cetatenie, daca doresti.

Se pare ca avem puncte diferite de vedere in ceea ce priveste statutul de rezident permanent (aplicabil in cazul meu evident, si probabil spre foarte posibil a fi diferit altundeva). Io ma ghidez dupa urmatoarele:

"Residence of citizens of the European Economic Area (EEA) Member States

Citizens of another EEA Member State who wish to reside in the Republic of Slovenia may enter the Republic of Slovenia with a valid identity card or passport and do not need an entry permit, i.e. a visa or residence permit, regardless of the purpose of entry (even in the case that you came to the Republic of Slovenia due to employment, studies, self employment, settlement, etc.). In the first three months after entry, you may reside here without registering residence, solely on the basis of a valid passport or identity card, but you need to fulfil the obligation of registration with the police. For longer stays, however, you must register residence, i.e. file an application for the issue of a residence registration certificate, with the administrative unit in the area in which you reside before the termination of the permitted three-month residence period. Naturally, you may also file an application for the issue of the residence registration certificate immediately upon entering the Republic of Slovenia.

After you have resided in the Republic of Slovenia on the basis of a residence registration certificate, if there are no reasonable grounds for assuming that you could represent a threat to the public order, peace or security of the Republic of Slovenia, you may obtain a permanent residence permit as the citizen of an EEA Member State."

(disponibil la http://www.mnz.gov.si/en/services/slovenia...sidence_permit/ )

Asta inseamna ca:
- in prima faza iti inregistrezi sederea pe teritoriul lor (in cazul in care intentionezi a sta mai mult de 3 luni) si obtii asa numitul "EEA Citizen Registration Certificate" care ti se acorda pe o perioada de pana la 5 ani. Ai o adresa inregistrata aici, platesti taxe, si poti beneficia de sistemul de asigurari sociale, de sanatate, etc, insa esti in continuare "rezident temporar"
- in cea de a doua faza, dupa 5 ani petrecuti aici, daca se dovedeste ca nu reprezinti un pericol social si ca nu ai avut de-a face cu justitia, poti aplica pentru un permis de rezidenta permanent

In tot acest timp, pana la emiterea permisului de rezidenta permanent, resedinta mea "principala" ramane cea din Romania (pe care o am trecuta in CI, actele masini de Romania, etc..), chiar daca nu platesc taxe si nu am venituri acolo (desi si aici exista posibilitatea de a realiza venituri in ambele tari si automat de a te supune legislatiei fiecareia). Ma legitimez si calatoresc in aceasta perioada cu documentele de "Romania". (Nu mi-am anulat resedinta din Romania, si din cate stiu e 100% legal sa ai mai multe resedinte declarate in unul sau mai multe state UE, atata vreme cat indeplinesti conditiile legale din tarile respective).
"EEA Citizen Registration Certificate" -ul pe care il detin nu tine loc nici de CI, nici de pasaport. Reprezinta doar dovada prezentei mele "legale" daca vrei, aici.
Sunt in contiunare nevoit sa ma legitimez in toata aceasta perioada cu CI sau pasaport de Romania; doar daca sunt in Slovenia si ma ia cineva la bani marunti, pot suplimentar, sa dovedesc ca sunt legal aici prin intermediul susnumitului certificat.


Respecte.

L.E. Cred c-am reusit sa facem varza topicu' omului

This post has been edited by RZV: 23 Sep 2011, 17:41

De ceva vreme mi s-a aprins ideea sa plec in Germania, am facut cursuri de limba pana la nivelul mediu A2 (cu certificarile de rigoare) si am tot aplicat pe ejbobs & bestjobs.

Domeniul de lucru este IT, am terminat fac. de info si am cateva certificari in domeniu.

naspa. tocmai acum te-ai gandit si tu sa pleci

cei mai cei angajatori.

naspa. tocmai acum te-ai gandit si tu sa pleci 

Oferte de munca de prin tara au mai fost, cele mai multe din Bucuresti dar am zis ca daca tot plec de acasa sa plec peste hotare. Multi fosti colegi de facultate si prieteni au plecat in orase mai vestice: Cluj, Brasov, Sibiu. Acuma astept sa mi se trimita contractul de munca sa-mi pot da demisia de la actualul job.

This post has been edited by yonutz84: 27 Sep 2011, 10:36

naspa. tocmai acum te-ai gandit si tu sa pleci 

cei mai cei angajatori.

Participarea la un asemenea forum de joburi e o chestie deosebita, e spectacolu' vietii' in cele mai mici detalii! M-am ingrozit ce specimene am intilnit acolo.

ai vazut si colegi de forum pe acolo?

Poate, da' nu-i cunosteam. Din aia cunoscuti nu era niciunul.

Masinile si job-urile bune nu se gasesc la targuri.

off topic: o altă opţiune de emigrare e să lucrezi ca funcţionar la o instituţie UE, de regulă la Bruxelles sau Luxemburg. Dar trebuie să iei un examen (nu e chiar simplu):
http://europa.eu/epso/apply/news/index_en.htm

Astazi am primit si contractul de munca. Urmeaza diseara sa ma intalnesc cu un prieten sa-si dea cu parerea despre el si maine il voi trimite semnat. Mai dureaza visa cam 6 saptamani.

cum ma 6 saptamani mie imi dadeau astia de la banca visa in 2 zile.

te tepuiesc.

ps acu ma uitai si nu e visa e mastercad poate de aia sau miscat mai repede.

This post has been edited by b76bgaarh: 29 Sep 2011, 14:26