Outline · [ Standard ] · Linear+ Toyota opreste productia si vanzarile in US, La 8 modele cu probleme la acceleratie/frana

la honda e un recall oarecum normal, desi apare la o marca care se lauda cu fiabilitatea modelelor sale. La toyota insa e mai nasol, atat prin numarul masinilor afectate, prin felul cum trateaza situatia cat si prin gravitatea problemelor. Oricum vestile proaste continua la Toyota , au facut recall oficial si la masinile vandute in europa, la urmatoarele modele: Auris, Avensis, Aygo, Corolla, iQ, RAV4 Verso si Yaris . Oricum, is curios daca vor suspenda vanzarile la modelele astea in europa , la fel cum au facut si in state.. Si parerea mea e ca problema nu e de furnizor (caci au mai multi furnizori) ci probabil e problema de conceptie.. As expected, Toyota Europe announced details today surrounding the recall of cars for defective accelerator pedal mechanisms that began in the U.S. Like the U.S. recall that involves 2.3 million vehicles across eight model lines, the European recall also involves eight models: the Auris, Avensis, Aygo, Corolla, iQ, RAV4 Verso and Yaris. All told, about 1.8 million vehicles are involved. Unlike in the U.S., Toyota Europe will not be suspending production of any models because replacement parts are already being used at its various assembly plants. What's interesting to note is that some of those plants are located in Japan, specifically ones that build the Corolla and RAV4. Until now, the reason given for all Lexus and Scion models being excluded from the recall was that they were built exclusively in Toyota's native country and used an accelerator pedal mechanism sourced from a different supplier, not CTS Corp. that manufactured the defective part for North American plants. Whether or not this means the recall could be expanded even further, perhaps to include vehicles from other Toyota brands, remains to be seen, but the fact that the defective part in question has now popped up on the other side of the Atlantic suggests that the problem lies in its design and not how it was manufactured by the supplier. http://www.autoblog.com/2010/01/29/officia...dels-1-8-milli/

la honda e un recall oarecum normal, desi apare la o marca care se lauda cu fiabilitatea modelelor sale. La toyota insa e mai nasol, atat prin numarul masinilor afectate, prin felul cum trateaza situatia cat si prin gravitatea problemelor. Oricum vestile proaste continua la Toyota , au facut recall oficial si la masinile vandute in europa, la urmatoarele modele: Auris, Avensis, Aygo, Corolla, iQ, RAV4 Verso si Yaris . Oricum, is curios daca vor suspenda vanzarile la modelele astea in europa , la fel cum au facut si in state.. Si parerea mea e ca problema nu e de furnizor (caci au mai multi furnizori) ci probabil e problema de conceptie..

As expected, Toyota Europe announced details today surrounding the recall of cars for defective accelerator pedal mechanisms that began in the U.S. Like the U.S. recall that involves 2.3 million vehicles across eight model lines, the European recall also involves eight models: the Auris, Avensis, Aygo, Corolla, iQ, RAV4 Verso and Yaris. All told, about 1.8 million vehicles are involved.

Unlike in the U.S., Toyota Europe will not be suspending production of any models because replacement parts are already being used at its various assembly plants. What's interesting to note is that some of those plants are located in Japan, specifically ones that build the Corolla and RAV4. Until now, the reason given for all Lexus and Scion models being excluded from the recall was that they were built exclusively in Toyota's native country and used an accelerator pedal mechanism sourced from a different supplier, not CTS Corp. that manufactured the defective part for North American plants.

Whether or not this means the recall could be expanded even further, perhaps to include vehicles from other Toyota brands, remains to be seen, but the fact that the defective part in question has now popped up on the other side of the Atlantic suggests that the problem lies in its design and not how it was manufactured by the supplier.

http://www.autoblog.com/2010/01/29/officia...dels-1-8-milli/

AYGO (produs intre februarie 2005 si august 2009),
iQ (noiembrie 2008-noiembrie 2009),
Yaris (noiembrie 2005-septembrie 2009),
Auris (octombrie 2006-ianuarie 2010),
Corolla (octombrie 2006-decembrie 2009),
Verso (februarie 2009-ianuarie 2010),
Avensis (noiembrie 2008-decembrie 2009),
RAV4 (noiembrie 2005-noiembrie 2009)

psa confirma ca recall-ul toyota va afecta si modelele sale produse in colaborare cu toyota: peugeot 107 si citroen c1:

a estaba esperándolo todo el mundo, así que PSA ha decidido quitarse el asunto de encima y hacerlo oficial: los Citroën C1 y Peugeot 107 serán revisados para lidiar con los aceleradores defectuosos que tantos dolores de cabeza están generando a Toyota. Dado que ambos son hermanos del Aygo y los tres son fabricados en la misma planta, no es de extrañar que el problema se haya extendido a toda la familia.

El grupo francés, por el momento, no ha identificado las unidades afectadas, aunque dice que hay cerca de 100.000 vehículos con aceleradores sospechosos de poder adquirir "vida propia". En el caso del Toyota Aygo, todos los fabricados entre febrero de 2005 y agosto de 2009 deberán ser revisados, así que es de suponer una horquilla parecida para los modelos de Peugeot y Citroë

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Acum o saptamana era un reportaj la nemti, o baba si-a furat-o de la un bmw. A sarit in balta cu o masina. Testau aia covorase, isi dadeau cu parerea tot specialistii, bla, bla...

Confirm. L-am vazut si eu.

[quote=aphophis,30 Jan 2010, 23:47]
psa confirma ca recall-ul toyota va afecta si modelele sale produse in colaborare cu toyota: peugeot 107 si citroen c1:


Aha, si la 107 tot de la ECU e cred, are frana electronica saracul

Frate in afara sa copii niste informatii cu copy/paste de pe net intelegi ceva din ce inseamna fenomenul auto?!!.....

Ai ani de zile de cand postezi pe forumuri auto, macar sa fi lucrat in domeniu in perioada asta daca tot iti place asa mult, ca poate numai spuneai aberatii, si intelegeai si tu una alta

This post has been edited by mihai24: 31 Jan 2010, 13:09

inseamna ca toti abereaza cand zic ca s-ar putea sa fie de la ecu si vezi "frate" ca nu am zis ca sigur e de acolo ci ca s-ar putea sa fie de acolo. Frate, care esti mancati-as


btw frate stii tu sigur frate ca trio-ul nu are frana "electronica" ? . Haide zi-ne frate ca ne-ai facut curiosi frate

This post has been edited by aphophis: 31 Jan 2010, 15:45

US car dealers urge calm over Toyota recalls

http://www.euronews.net/2010/01/31/us-car-...toyota-recalls/

US car dealers have appealed for calm following Toyota’s recall of 5.6 million vehicles that could suffer from sudden acceleration.

The move has sparked an unprecendented sales and production halt, with the problem also affecting its luxury Lexus models as well.

Although the recall was announced last week, the problem is suspected of causing 19 deadly crashes over the past decade.

Cody Lusk, President of the American International Automobile Dealers Association, said: “We’re trying to reassure as many customers as we can that the fix is going to come sooner rather than later, but the most important thing is we want to get it right.”

Europe too is affected by Toyota’s recall, as is PSA Peugeot Citroen.

The French firm jointly makes cars at a factory in the Czech Republic and is recalling 100,000 Peugeot 107 and Citroen C1 models.



Toyota a ascuns multi ani diferite defectiuni care se vedeau clar in service.
Nu le declarau ca sa fie primii in topul fiabilitatii.

This post has been edited by fansuv: 31 Jan 2010, 16:25

btw, pentru fratele mihai24 uite bre frate ca trio-ul are si el pedala la fel ca modelele americane frate

The massive Toyota sticking-accelerator pedal recall has spread from the United States to Europe and even beyond Toyota-branded vehicles. Approximately 90,000 Peugeot 107 and Citroën C1 minicars have been added to the list of afflicted models. PSA, the parent of Peugeot and Citroën, has a joint venture with Toyota in the Czech Republic that produces the 107, C1 and the related Toyota Aygo.

The minis share the same electronic pedal assembly design used in the 2.3 million Toyotas being recalled in North America, as well a 1.8 million vehicles in Europe. In addition to the Aygo, Toyota has identified the iQ, Yaris, Auris, Corolla, Verso, Avensis and Rav4 in Europe. In total Toyota is recalling 7.5 million vehicles worldwide.

We don't know for sure but it seems unlikely with this many vehicles involved around the world that CTS is the sole supplier of these parts. If CTS is not the only supplier then it appears likely that the issue is more of a design problem than a manufacturing issue at one plant or supplier. It is also possible that it could be a software issue unrelated to the hardware itself.

http://www.autoblog.com/2010/01/31/toyota-...itroen-in-euro/

un video interesant despre pedala asta care o ia razna :


"fratele" mihai24 o sa aiba o surpriza cam pe la secunda 0.27 , unde se vede ca acolo nu e nici o legatura mecanica intre motor si pedala de acceleratie , ci este o legatura electrica. M-ar mira ca frana sa nu aiba acelasi tratament

Ti-a mai spus cineva cum sta treaba cu pedala de frana ...
Intre timp a fost facuta publica solutia gasita de Toyota pentru remedierea problemei: Pedal_Assembly_prv.jpg ( Size: 108.92k ) Number of downloads: 761

Aici este explicata problema si solutia direct pe ansamblul potentiometrului pedalei: http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/toyota-ga...clusive-photos/
Ce imi place asta: "Precision cut steel" ... saiba

This post has been edited by r_vlad: 1 Feb 2010, 22:25

intr-adevar, mare inginerie. Btw, unul dintre cei care sustine ca problema e de software (deci fixul asta pregatit de toyota e apa de ploaie) Steve Wozniak , co-fondatorul Apple, sustine ca si el a patit chestia asta si ca mai mult o poate repeta.

More problems may be lurking for Toyota. Speaking at an event in San Francisco on Monday, Apple co-founder Steve Wozniak waxed eloquent about a "very scary" problem with his 2010 Toyota Prius.
2010 Toyota Prius

2010 Toyota Prius
(Credit: Toyota)

Wozniak was speaking at Discovery Forum 2010 when he went off topic for a few minutes and spoke about problems with his 2010 Toyota Prius.

"I don't get upset and teed off at things in life, except computers that don't work right," was his segue into the Toyota comments. Then he said he had been trying to get through to Toyota and the National Highway Transportation Safety Administration (NHTSA) for three months but could not get anyone to explore an alleged software-related acceleration problem--as described below.

"Toyota has this accelerator problem we've all heard about," Wozniak said. "Well, I have many models of Prius that got recalled, but I have a new model that didn't get recalled. This new model has an accelerator that goes wild but only under certain conditions of cruise control. And I can repeat it over and over and over again--safely."

"This is software. It's not a bad accelerator pedal. It's very scary, but luckily for me I can hit the brakes," he said.

Toyota said it investigates all complaints. "We're in the business of investigating complaints, assessing problems and finding remedies," said John Hanson, national manager environmental safety and quality communications at Toyota. "After man years of exhaustive testing we have not found any evidence of an electronic [software] problem that would have led to unwanted acceleration."

http://news.cnet.com/8301-13924_3-10445564-64.html

http://www.2theadvocate.com/news/suburban/...l?showAll=y&c=y

Mikel Valviva sought to return his truck to the dealership at 9150 Airline Highway, saying he no longer wanted it because of the recall on the accelerator, Lee said.

The dealership’s manager, Joe Costanza, offered to repair Valviva’s truck and loan him a car in the meantime, Lee said.

Matt McKay, owner of the All Star Automotive Group, said Costanza explained to Valviva on three separate occasions on Saturday that the dealership could not refund his money for the truck.

McKay said the process during the recall requires dealerships to provide a loaner car while the recalled vehicle is repaired.

Valviva refused the offers and tried to leave the dealership, but his gas pedal stuck, Lee said. The truck accelerated forward, striking the building, Lee said.

EMS personnel treated Valviva and his passenger  for minor injuries on scene, Lee said.

McKay said a cosmetic column on the building received only minor damage.

Costanza confirmed Valviva’s truck is one of the models included in the recall, Lee said.

Totusi e o problema grava. Sa nu poti sa controlezi pedalele automobilului este grav.
De ce nu s-a observat mai devreme problema? CA sa iasa cea mai fiabila?


AU INCEPUT PROCESELE:

Already facing a blitz of negative media coverage and a growing wave of class-action suits, Toyota has now been hit with another serious-sounding wrongful death lawsuit.

Trina Renee Harris, a 34-year-old mother of two, died last year when her Toyota Corolla sped through a stop sign in Houston and smashed into a cement wall.

Her husband, Michael Harris, filed suit Monday against Toyota, gas pedal maker CTS Corp. and Fred Haas Toyota World, which leased the car. Lawyers involved say it’s likely the third wrongful-death case filed in response to Toyota’s acceleration problems. Here’s a report from the Houston Chronicle.

“I want those who were negligent to be held responsible This problem was there before Dec. 18 when she died,” Michael Harris said. The Navy officer recently had completed a stint on an aircraft carrier in the Middle East and was in San Diego when he learned of his wife’s death, the Chron reports. He returned to Houston, where the family opened Christmas gifts Trina Harris had bought.

“I have a whirlwind of emotions. I’m extremely angry for my children. She won’t be there for the prom. When they get married, she won’t be there,” Harris said in an interview at the offices of his Houston attorneys, Ken and Judy Mingledorff. The suit seeks $200 million in actual and punitive damages.

Toyota has recalled millions of vehicles and has issued what it says is a fix to the acceleration problem.

A Toyota spokeswoman told the Chron that the company would not comment on pending litigation. A manager at Fred Haas said they have not yet seen the suit and calls to CST Corp. were not returned.

http://blogs.wsj.com/law/2010/02/02/toyota...al-woes-deepen/

This post has been edited by fansuv: 3 Feb 2010, 19:29

cum sa iasa cea mai fiabila, daca au probleme de proiectare?

Problema e globala deci..nu se datoreaza unui singur furnizor buclucas ci e o eroare de proiectare/programare



Toyota va rechema in service-uri pentru verificari 180.000 de masini vandute in
Orientul Mijlociu, Africa si America de Sud. Cauza este aceeasi pedala de acceleratie.

Esential

180.000de masini vor fi rechemate in service-urile Toyota din Orientul Mijlociu, Africa si America de Sud.

Toyota a anuntat astazi ca va extinde recall-ul cauzat de posibila blocare a pedalei de acceleratie si pe alte piete in afara celor deja anuntate oficial. Astfel, conform biroului de presa a constructorului japonez, unele modele pe care Toyota le-a vandut in orientul Mijlociu, Africa si America Latina vor fi si ele rechemate la service pentru verificari si schimbarea pedalei.
Sub incidenta recall-ului se afla circa 180.000 de masini care se adauga celor 8 milioane deja rechemate de Toyota in service la nivel mondial din cauza unui potential defect al pedalei de acceleratie.
Conform purtatorului de cuvant al companiei, Ririko Takeuchi, grupul japonez a identificat in Orientul Mijlociu 40.000 de exemplare Toyota Avalon (2005 si 2010) si Toyota Sequoia (2009-2010). Africa contribuie la recall cu 80.000 de unitati, in timp ce America Latina vine cu alte 60.000 de masini. In aceste doua zone, Toyota nu a anuntat inca modelele afectate.

http://www.automarket.ro/stiri/recall-ul-t...tina-28085.html

Se pare ca si guvernul sua are o vina in treaba asta cu pedala ce o ia razna la toyota, pentru ca din 2004 au pornit o investigatie pe aceasta problema, care insa a fost trasa pe linie moarta dupa ce unul din cei ce se ocupa de problema , si-a gasit un nou loc de munca la toyota. Deci toyota stia de prin 2004 de problema asta..


After NHTSA investigator hired by Toyota, serious unintended acceleration cases ignored

The more we learn about Toyota's rumored relationship with the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration, the less we like it. Remember the claim that the government agency may have known about unintended acceleration issues as early as 2004? ABC News does, and the news network has been doing its best Sherlock Holmes work in an effort to learn more about the potentially damaging claims.

The ABC News investigation revealed that NHTSA wrote a memorandum limiting unintended acceleration claims to episodes lasting two seconds or less when the brake was never applied. The report states that the memorandum came down after agency representative Scott Yon met with two former colleagues (including Chris Santucci) who left the government to work for Toyota. Santucci testified back in December that the limited scope of investigations "worked out well for both the agency and Toyota."

Also in question is whether federal safety investigators are included in a federal law that states that "an employee in the executive branch is barred for two years after leaving government service from representing any matter under the employee's previous official responsibility." Santucci left his job at NHTSA six months before he reportedly negotiated the terms of the investigation with his ex-colleagues.

According to ABC News, the limited scope of the investigations ruled out 26 of the original 37 claims of unintended acceleration. A reported 25 of those 26 incidents led to an accident or crash, and since those incidents were outside of the scope of the investigations, NHTSA never looked into the incidents. Sean Kane of Safety Research & Strategies told ABC News that the narrow scope of the investigation meant "NHTSA almost ensured they wouldn't have enough complaint data to take action."

The extremely limited and nonsensical scope of the investigations between 2004 and 2007 continually failed to show any failures, and Toyota routinely pointed that out when the subject was brought up even in the weeks that led to the original recall of 3.8 million floor mats in the fall of 2009. In fact, ABC News claims that a document provided by Toyota to NHTSA stated that the Japanese automaker would not even submit a report to the government "in which the customer alleged that they could not control a vehicle by applying the brake."

http://www.autoblog.com/2010/02/05/report-...serious-uninte/

se pare ca indirect toyota recunoaste ca problema e de soft. Astfel incat toate modelele care vor fi lansate in viitor de toyota vor avea, ceea ce exista standard la alti constructori de o gramada de ani. Brake override function, prin care frana are prioritate atunci cand se calca frana si acceleratia in acelasi timp. Si cum controalele sunt "by wire" , chestia asta se va face din soft. Deci recunosc ca problemele actuale sunt din soft

http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2010/fe...-system-corolla

Era quasi-evident atât timp cât la apăsarea pedalei de frână(concomitent cu cea de acceleraţie prin blocare) soft-ul nu activa servofrâna…Dar Toyota rezolvă deocamdată una din cauze (cauza imediată şi vizibilă - blocarea pedalei de acceleraţie - prin limitarea cursei acesteia pentru a nu ajunge la poziţia de potenţial blocaj) şi apoi, pe îndelete, vor rezolva cauza majoră(gestionarea resurselor autovehiculului) printr-o vizită la service (şi aici e o chichiţă: vor veni şi vor face resoft-area sau schimbarea calculatorului vinovat în mare parte doar cei în garanţie, ceilalţi urmând eventual să plătească operaţiunea ca un „moft”). Şi este una din firmele cu pretenţii…
Vreau să cred că problemele acestea sunt unice la Toyota…poate că da, poate că nu.

se pare ca un profesor de ceva chestii auto la o universitate americana, a reusit sa duplice problema accelerarii bruste, fara ca aceasta sa lase urme de erori in softul masinii. Chestie ce poate fi declansata si natural, printr-un scurtcircuit declansat de umezeala ce ajunge la controale. Urmariti video-ul de aici : http://www.autoblog.com/2010/02/22/video-s...en-acceleratio/

To(yo)tal Recall

http://drive-test.ro/stiri/1471/to%28yo%29tal-recall.html

Na, ca dadu si peste noi recall-ul Toyota! Ce mai freamat, ce mai zbucium! Forumurile romanesti s-au inrosit de glumele scrise de posesorii altor marci, care mai de care mai fericiti ca nu doar ei isi petrec zilele prin service-uri si ca in sfarsit si-au 'furat-o' si japonezii. Pai nu?

Pai da, insa ceea ce face Toyota zilele acestea se cheama 'punerea clientului mai presus de primul loc in ceasul al treisprezecelea', oficialii japonezi asumandu-si niste pierderi financiare pe care altii nici nu s-ar fi gandit sa le accepte. Si asta doar pentru ca o mana de oameni au intrat prin copaci dupa ce li s-a blocat pedala de acceleratie iar ei n-au fost nici macar in stare sa mute maneta cutiei de viteze in punctul mort si sa franeze (da, e atat de simplu). Sa-mi amintesc oare de cate masini cu probleme similare am condus? Pai ia chiar...
 

Dacia ar fi trebuit probabil sa-si recheme in service toate Daciile 1300, daca s-ar fi luat dupa miile de cazuri in care pedala de acceleratie se lipea de podea si acolo ramanea, infipta in covorasul persan al lui nea Gheorghe, care inlocuise mult-prea-neinteresantul covoras din cauciuc furnizat de UAP. Rechemari in service? Poate la Bucur Obor, sectiunea covoare si carpete de perete.

Opelul Vectra productie '92 a incercat sa ma ucida de doua ori intr-un an de zile, tot cu pedala de acceleratie blocata, in covorasul de cauciuc al producatorului de data asta. Dar nu m-am gandit sa dau in judecata Russelheim-ul pentru atata chestie, pur si simplu am pus in punctul mort, am ridicat pedala cu varful pantofului si cu asta basta.

La Renault-ul Megane Sedan problema nu venea de la pedala, ci tot de la covorasele de cauciuc, acestea intrand cu usurinta sub pedalier, mai rau fiind ca nu mai puteai pune frana cand ti-era lumea mai draga. N-am auzit de vreun recall iar problema s-a rezolvat cu succes punand un covoras cauciucat de dimensiuni mai mici acolo.

Sa mai amintesc de Skoda Fabia, de Citroen C4 sau de Opel Astra la care daca ai bocanci in picioare risti sa apesi simultan pe frana si pe acceleratie? Sau de imposibilitatea de a muta in marsarier la cutiile manuale de la BMW daca nu esti culturist, chestie destul de nasoala daca tocmai esti angajat intr-o manevra de intoarcere si vine un camion spre tine?...

Sau de vizibilitatea execrabila pe timp de ploaie si mazga din orice Fiat, Kia, Hyundai sau alta masina de volum, cu precadere din hatchbackuri, cauzata de stergatoarele ieftinache oferite, care sunt incapabile sa curete cum se cuvine parbrizul si luneta? Sau de zilele petrecute in service de TDImea de pe la noi din cauze atat de diverse si de grave incat ma mir ca grupul VAG nu e in topul listei de reclamatii la OPC?

Sa mai amintesc ca in Romania inca primesti masina nou-nouta echipata cu cauciucuri de vara chiar daca o iei in noiembrie, fortandu-te sa intri in primul pom cand da prima burnita sau sa decartezi instant alti bani pe anvelope de iarna? Asta tine tot de siguranta, dar o luam ca de la sine inteles, nu?

Nu minimalizez problema celor de la Toyota. In definitiv, si-au cladit o imagine si un imperiu auto marsand exact pe chestiunea fiabilitatii. Si iata ca tocmai ei au facut rabat de la calitate intr-o zona in care chiar n-ai voie sa gresesti. Mai rau, se pare ca au incercat sa musamalizeze treaba asta in SUA, ceea ce le poate aduce niste amenzi cat profitul pe 5 ani.

Insa rechemarea in service a celor de la Toyota*, desi spectaculoasa prin magnitudinea sa, nu este totusi ceva iesit din comun. Si ceilalti producatori mentionati mai sus practica asta. Doar ca foarte rar isi recheama masinile pentru chestiuni care ar pune in pericol viata celor din masina, desi am enumerat doar cateva dintre problemele cunoscute ale acestor marci, care exact asta fac. Nu, ei prefera sa le ignore, iar clientii nu isi dau seama ca problema tine de multe ori de proiectant si de producator, nu de elemente adaugate de ei. Iar de murit, poti muri din oricare dintre aceste motive daca te afli la locul nepotrivit in momentul nepotrivit.

Cel mai probabil ca marketingii Toyota vor folosi aceasta ocazie pentru a invata din greseli si a veni cu oferte si mai serioase, la fel cum au facut cei de la Mercedes dupa ce au aflat ca micutul A li se transforma in V daca trageai mai cu... elan de volan.

De exemplu, in Romania au inceput prin a oferi garantie de 5 ani. E un bun inceput in lupta cu sud-coreenii care ofera 7 ani. Vor urma probabil doua-trei seppuku la varf in Japonia si dotari mai consistente in zona de siguranta standard. Si mai ales multe milioane de dolari cheltuiti pe refacerea imaginii unui colos auto care nu se mai poate opri...

Intr-o lume in care aparentele sunt totul, tocmai japonezii vor trebui sa demonstreze din nou ca sunt maestri in a-si salva imaginea terfelita de o banala bucata de metal lipsa. Asta, pana vine altul la rand, sau pana invata cu totii ca nu mai trebuie sa ascunda gunoiul sub pres ci sa actioneze rapid in folosul clientului.

Adrian Mihaltianu

Februarie 2010

*Toyota Motor Europe a anuntat astazi rechemarea in service a 8 modele pentru rezolvarea unei potentiale probleme la pedala de acceleratie.

Modelele vizate si perioadele de productie sunt urmatoarele:

Aygo (Feb 2005-Aug 2009)

iQ (Nov 2008-Nov 2009)

Yaris (Nov 2005-Sep 2009)

Auris (Oct 2006-5 Jan 2010)

Corolla (Oct 2006-Dec 2009)

Verso (Feb 2009-5 Ian 2010)

Avensis (Nov 2008-Dec 2009)

Rav4 (Nov 2005-Nov 2009)

This post has been edited by IRONICK: 26 Feb 2010, 17:07

Daaaa.... foarte obiectiv articol... NOT
Ale naiba masini cum numai lui ii faceau probleme.

Bafta!

in general sunt de acord cu maddan (colegul nostru e proprietarul site-ului) , insa in cazul asta greseste oarecum. Toyota nu si-a asumat acest recall, ca nu mai putea de binele clientilor, ci pt ca au fost obligati de situatie. Si de nhtsa si de faptul ca atunci cand asemenea tampenii ies la iveala, media obliga producatorul sa rezolve problema, de teama publicitatii negative

Imi place comparatia intre masini de ultima generatie cu masini de cand era bunica fata ... , ziaristi de rahat ce avem ...
Pe astia ii si plateste cineva sau fac munca voluntara?

deci nu mai pot de ras. Inca o masura a calitatii toyota, inca un recall de 1 milion de masini datorate unor probleme cu uleiul ce se poate scurge. Si probabil poate duce la incendii

Toyota is making it perfectly clear that this latest limited service campaign involving V6-powered vehicles sold over the past few years is not, in fact, a safety recall, as it does not have the potential to harm drivers. What's happening, however, is the rubber portion of the oil supply hose for the VVT-i actuator has the potential to degrade, which can cause oil to leak, in turn causing the engine to produce odd noises and the oil pressure light in the dash to illuminate.

The most recent phase of this service campaign involves 2007-2009 model year V6-equipped RAV4 and Avalon models. Last year, however, Toyota announced the first two phases of this campaign, which included 2005-2006 Avalons, 2007-early 2010 Camrys, 2006 RAV4s, 2007-2008 Lexus ES350s, and 2007-2009 Lexus RX350s. For all of these models, Toyota dealers will replace the oil hose at no extra charge, and the service campaign will be available to owners until March 31, 2013. Click through the jump to read the full details in Toyota's press release.

http://www.autoblog.com/2010/03/02/toyota-...odel/2#comments

Frana, acceleratia, scurgeri de ulei la motor, problemela directie -mai multe milioane de masini retrase!!!

Pierderi masive - un dezastru pt.toyota.

I want to be sure everyone understands exactly what Dr. Gilbert was telling congress. You can read his statement here:

http://energycommerce.house.gov/Press_111/...t.Testimony.pdf

The thing that really stands out is that he said he shorted the leads for both sensors together and then connected them to one of the 5V reference supply leads and got WOT with no DTC/MIL.

Have a look at the recall procedure here:

http://images.thetruthaboutcars.com/2010/0...Posting-BIL.pdf

Look at the acceptable ranges for WOT at the bottom on page 8/top of page 9. They confirm what Dr. Gilbert is claiming: The Toyota system will accept full reference voltage as a valid input for WOT and it will accept identical or at least very, very closing readings from both sensors at WOT as a valid reading.

That means two things:

-The Toyota system has no way to detect a short.

-The Toyota system has no way to detect a foreign voltage under 5V introduced into the system on both sides at the same or near the same voltage as an invalid reading.

The specs would hint that the condition of 5V on side 1 should cause a code, but Dr. Gilbert’s tests indicate that’s not the case.

Note also he said he couldn’t reproduce this on a GM car. Now, I don’t have access to GM’s service manual to tell you how they prevent this, but I do have access to Hyundai’s and in the Hyundai system, there is resistance built in on both sides, twice as much on side 2 as side one.

This means that the maximum valid reading is 4.35 volts on side 1. On side 2 it’s 2.18. The system constantly compares the two readings and if side 2 isn’t pretty close to 50% of side 1, that’s a diagnostic failure. So for the cost of a couple of resistors and some code, the Hyundai system can detect two serious conditions that Toyota’s system can’t.



While some of Mrs. Smith’s testimony seems on the wild side, the fact remains that Toyota designed a system lacking key diagnostic features we now know other manufacturers have. They have likely avoided spending big money on warranty work because there was never any MIL so they customer couldn’t prove something was amiss. And in all probability many more customers who did NOT experience any UA also didn’t experience MIL illumination either, so they didn’t report what didn’t happen but otherwise might have on surveys, either.

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http://blogs.cars.com/kickingtires/2010/02...automakers.html

Imi place comparatia intre masini de ultima generatie cu masini de cand era bunica fata ...  , ziaristi de rahat ce avem ...
Pe astia ii si plateste cineva sau fac munca voluntara?

Sunt multi care ajung sa creada orbeste in tot ce se scrie prin toate colturile obscure din internet. E mai comod sa crezi manipularea, nu te mai stradui sa deschizi ochii, sa gandesti.

Highway patrol helps Prius with stuck accelerator coast to a stop in San Diego.
Au cam mierlito bine Toyota in America de Nord.

toyota are parte de o karma rea bine ca macar omul ala nu a murit ca si ofiterul ce a murit in lexusul ala es

nervos mai e timpul, oare lucreaza la o reprezentanta toyota, ca prea considera ca absolut toti cei care au avut probleme cu toyotele lor, musai sunt niste idioti ce nu isi pot controla masina