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post 9 Dec 2007, 00:24
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Am resit sa montez azi carburatoru pe masina. Lucrez la piese de 1 luna. Carburatorul abia l'am gasit pe la un magazin de dezmembrari din ct, era foarte murdar, l'am spalat atent cu decarbosolv si dupa ce am facut rost de un kit de reparatie l'am asamblat la loc. Galeria am facut'o eu; flasele au fost decupate cu autogenu dintr'o foaie de tabla de 7mm si apoi polizate la exterior si la interior am folosit un biax, si teava dintre ele nu mai stiu ce diametru are, a fost manerul unui baros blink.gif si e sudata cu arc electric (prima data cand sudez), la interior, galeria e lustruita foarte bine. Filtru de aer inca lucrez la el, nu mai am mult si il tarmin. Motorul e nou, de 1400cmc (abia am terminat rodaju), chiulasa de 1300 pe care am refacut'o complet cu supape semeringuri etc, dupa care am luat 2,5mm din ea Momentan motoru merge cum nu a mers niciodata (aveam carburator de nova inainte). Daca am uitat ceva e de vina oboseala Image_243_.jpg ( Size: 258.45k ) Number of downloads: 1440
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post 9 Dec 2007, 00:26
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din cate stiu chiulasa de 1300 pe motor de 1400 comprima motorul..tu ai mai si luat 2,5 mm din ea? blink.gif la ce raport ai ajuns daca ai calculat ? nu-ti detoneaza?


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post 9 Dec 2007, 00:35
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nu imi detoneaza, merg cu 95 fara plumb si bujii normale bosch. a fost o perioada cand am mers cu bujii cu filet lung si nu am avut probleme.

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post 9 Dec 2007, 00:46
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si cum ati functioneaza motorul ????? cu acest carburator si mai ales iarna ... se infige ce consum are ????


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post 9 Dec 2007, 00:52
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pe vremea asta, dupa ce l'am montat si am pompat benzina in carburator, a pornit la prima cheie, bineinteles ajutat cu cateva sprituri. pt temperaturi si mai scazute il ajut cu mai multe sprituri biggrin.gif
de mers merge foarte bine, masina raspunde repede la acceleratie, viteza maxima cu care am mers in seara asta a fost 140km/h si mai aveam pedala dar pt ca am cutie in 4 trepte mi'era mila de motor. consumul nu il stiu, am facut 50 de km de cand l'am pus si din 6 litri de benzina cat aveam mai am vreo 2; si am mers mai mult in forja.
e o placere sa rulezi cu 120km/h ca vitezaq de croaziera, sunteu motorului e bestial wub.gif


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post 9 Dec 2007, 00:59
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puteai scurta si u tavile care duc amestecul de carburant spre galerii.


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post 9 Dec 2007, 01:27
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uite frate unu care tace si le face bravo frate respect !

caut si eu o galerie pentru noile mele achizitii weber 40 icon_mrgreen.gif

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post 9 Dec 2007, 01:29
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Eu nu am cum sa fac momentan am dacia in service sad.gif inca o saptamana de chin si gata off sad.gif.


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post 9 Dec 2007, 01:30
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la mine se finalizeaza noul motor smile.gif si cel vechi intra in stagiul de marit CP


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post 9 Dec 2007, 01:37
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mersi Adrianno.
gasesti mai repede seturi de reparatie la dcoe-uri

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m'am gandit sa ii fac tevile mai scurte da nu am putut din 2 motive:
1. nu avea loc de galerie de evacuare.
2. nu aveam loc sa bag teu de 13 sa strang piulitele de jos dintre evacuare si admisie (si asa a trebuit sa tai colturile de jos de la partea cu carburatoru ca sa incapa cat de cat)

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post 9 Dec 2007, 06:02
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Pune 2 si atunci sa vezi treaba,daca mai faci rost si de o axa!!!


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post 9 Dec 2007, 11:37
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Cum merge la turatie mica (<2000rpm) ? Dar pana se incalzeste (pana la 80 grade) ? Am si eu pe masina o galerie identica, dar e facuta prin '70 sleep.gif

Sa legi si avansul vacuumatic (daca nu l-ai legat).


Ai reconditionat carburatorul de nota 10 wub.gif

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post 9 Dec 2007, 13:03
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cosmin_bojin
a's fii pus 2 da nu am gasit, si era si mai dificil de facut galeria ( avand in vedere ca am largit admisiile din chiulasa pana cand au capatat o forma ovala)

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inca nu e reglat foarte bine, trage foarte bine de la ralanti pana pe la 2800, dupaia are un scur moment cand se balbaie, dupaia trage de parca nu a'r avea limite smile.gif . nu am reglat bine overlap'ul dintre circuitul de ralanti si jigloarele principale.
pana se incalzeste il tin din acceleratie pe la 1800rpm ( stau vreo 3-5 min in parcare, depinde cate de frig e), dupaia merge bine. Tehnica asta am folosit'o cu succes si la carburatoru de nova, de care am fost foarte multumit dupa ce l'am spalat si reglat.
vacuumatic nu am, merg doar cu centrifugal ( cand mergeam cu celalalt carb si aveam conectat vacuumaticu imi dadea in nas la plecarea nupa loc ), acum nu mai am problema asta
mersi, sunt destul de tipicar de fel icon_mrgreen.gif


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post 9 Dec 2007, 13:15
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La fel face si a mea blush.gif

Trebuie stat in parcare ca sa se incalzeasca ... si tot asa are "intreruperea" aia. Dar m-am invatat sa trec peste ea cu sprituri si ambreiaj rolleyes.gif Asa am auzit si eu ca e de la sistemul de trecere de la relanti la in sarcina (circuit de progresiune se numeste parca).

Cum s-aude ? Orrrr ... orrrr icon_mrgreen.gif

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post 9 Dec 2007, 14:09
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Daca nu fac rost de un carburator dublu ori de nova sau de lada voi cumpara un weber 40 . Astept sa vina dacia din service ,off doamne cat mai astept , maine ma duc sa vad ce tot fac baieti sa le dau o mica atentie ceva 1 milion 2.


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post 9 Dec 2007, 14:51
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cosmin zi si mie unde ai facut axa si vreo idee unde sa fac galerie pentru 2 w40 ?


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post 9 Dec 2007, 15:07
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djasu82
daca nu gasesti carburi, te pot ajuta io cu unu de nova sau altu altu de renault 12ts (weber 32 dir) care au mers foarte bine pe masina mea, da acum mi'au ramas mici. =ieftin=

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Am vazut pozele cu masina ta. E foarte misto, felicitari pt ea.
Ce filtru de aer ai folosit ?

P.S. sunetu e marfa; opresc mp3'u doar sa il aud mai bine wub.gif


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post 9 Dec 2007, 15:32
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Pai tu crezi ca la aprinderea mea de turbo merge carburatoare webar 32 multumesc ori cum . Totusi am vazut acuma un carburator la fel ca al tau numai ca se monteaza vertical 48_IDA si are un singur plutitor pentru ambele camere se gaseste la un mic magazin din bucuresti mai precis la diham. Au si 40_DCOE_151 cica 3 milioane bucata. Apropo ma mir ca nu ai montat doua talpici preincalzitoare fiindca se putea adapta. S-ar putea face si altfel cu o singura conducta de cupru infasurata pe acea mica galerie facuta de tine. Ma mir ca ati da in nas cu avans vacumatic.


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post 9 Dec 2007, 15:36
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exact la conducta de cupru infasurata pe galerie ma gandeam si io.
oare merge conducta de frana sau trebuie mai groasa ??

ida, idf, drla sunt verticale si s'au montat pe motoare boxer sa cu cilindri in v tocmai sa nu aibe coturi galeria de admisie.
pt un motor in linie sunt recomandate cele orizontale dcoe, dhla, si mai era un model de solex, mikuni etc

daca ai nevoie de scheme cum functioneaza si orice alte detalii despre dcoe si dhla te pot ajuta

dcoe la 3 mil second hand e mult, daca e nou e ok.
io am dat pe al meu 1 mil de la dezmembrari. (aveau 3 bucati cu serii diferite, 2 dintre ele erau descompletate si cu clapetele blocate si mai era unu foarte murdar, da complet, nedesfacut, clapetele mergeau usor, si nu avea uzura in zona gaurilor de progresiune. e logic ca l'am cumparat pe cel din urma.

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Vezi ca sunt niste conducte de la aerul conditionat mult mai groase decat cele de frana.Si pune o pompa de benzina electrica,sau daca deja ai e foarte bine biggrin.gif
Axa,am cumparat-o de la un domn care a alergat pe vremuri la VTM,impreuna cu un weber 32 DIR galeria de admisie/evacuare si o chiulasa de 12TS.


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cc_silviu-Ai cumva o sechema de functionare de ma Weber 32DIR?

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post 9 Dec 2007, 15:57
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Multumesc daca voi avea nevoie te contactez acum astept sa ridic masina. Sa sti cu teava de cupru in asa fel sa se muleze frumos pe cele doua tavi mere super. Doar trebuie multa cu flacara la autogen, o spira doua ar fi de ajuns pe fiecare tava. Conducat de vrana e prea mica ar trebui sa dai cam trei spire pe ambele conducte .


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post 9 Dec 2007, 16:57
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o sa caut teava de cupru si ma apuc de treaba smile.gif

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sunt mai multe tipuri de weber 32 dir. iti dai seama ce model e dupa ultimele 2 cifre. Au fost montate pe r16, r5, r5 alpine turbo, r12 ts, alfa romeo 33 de 1,3 sau de 1,5. Am acasa 2 astfel de modele: unul de r12 ts (weber 32 DIR 21T) si unul de alfa romeo (32 DIR 81). Diferenta dintre ele este numarul gaurilor de progresiune ( 3 gauri r12, 4 gauri alfa), jigloarele si profilu camei care actioneaza pompa de sprit. (la alfa e mai brutala acceleratie, la renault e mai lina)
sper sa te ajute documentu pdf


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post 9 Dec 2007, 17:14
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Merci pt pdf-ul ala!!
Carbul meu e de 12TS.L-am avut pe masina insa mergea neregulat si l-am dat jos,cred ca e facut pt axa care am luat-o odata cu el.

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post 9 Dec 2007, 17:46
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baie in decarbosolv, periuta de dinti, pensule de diferite dimensiuni, scobitori, betisoare de urechi, membrana pompa sprit noua, cui poanto nou, garnituri noi, reglat plutitor, verificat fiecare circuit de pe el ( io folosesc dusul la presiune maxima in cada) si ai grija sa verifici foarte atent membrana de la imbogatitor, ca daca e ciupita iti trage aer fals la ralanti si merge neregulat.
si inca o chestie daca ai axa cu came modificata trebuie sa tii si ralantiul mai mare ca sa fie stabil

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Axa inca nu e pe masina,dar o sa fie in scurt timp biggrin.gif
L-am curatat in decarbusolv chiar cu periuta de dinti dar nu a mers,cred ca o sa ma duc la carbotest.


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post 9 Dec 2007, 19:30
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cc_silviu man de ce ai renuntat la cele doua carburatoare consumau mult sau nu ???


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cc_silviu cand ne vedem odata in portul TOMIS sa aud si eu cum face masina.Sunt tare curios.


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Si eu sunt curios cat consuma.


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post 9 Dec 2007, 20:27
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sunt mult mai multumit de dellorto 40 dhla decat orcie dublucorp progresiv pe care l'am avut pe masina smile.gif (banuiesc ca te referi la weberurile din poze)
In portu tomis merg cam in fiecare weekend, depinde ce program am si cu cine merg smile.gif (azi a fost o exceptie, weekendu care vine sigur merg)


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De curiozitate Silviu am un carb nou progresiv de lada jigler pincipal 180,250 camera aIIa cred ca sparg weber-urile la tras si...consum wink.gif
Apropo de unde ti-ai procurat kit reparatie DELL ORTO si ce scor.


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