Average fuel consumption
Average fuel consumption
heinz57g |
26 Aug 2008, 23:43
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LOGANs, several
2004 - 2008 There is nothing wrong with change, if it is in the right direction. Thats why the British drive on the left.
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Loganovac |
27 Aug 2008, 06:12
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Somehow I get a feeling that you are angry with me?
If you want to play the game, you must be prepared to LOOSE sometimes. Nobody can always win. >so i suggest you stop behaving stupid. but at 130 pounds per foot you beat both me and stu, anyhow. not by much, but ...< Finally, U admitted that U loose... But I am surprised that you said nothing about gravity depending on the altitude, weigher calibration etc... And, my friend, think about the monthly price of my victory... Greetings to all, IN and EX PATs. |
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Logan
2007 Prestige 1.6 16V + BRC sequent
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heinz57g |
27 Aug 2008, 09:38
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>> Somehow I get a feeling that you are angry with me?
see, again you go by feeling, rather than reality, and again you are wrong. i am far away from angry. >> If you want to play the game which game? >> Finally, U admitted that U loose... and i am happy about it, more than happy. als long as we have determined that LPG use is roughly 25-40% higher than gasoline, i am happy to lose about the 130pounds per foot issue. thats totalling 130 kgs, way above my limit of about 100k. many greetings - heinz - |
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LOGANs, several
2004 - 2008 There is nothing wrong with change, if it is in the right direction. Thats why the British drive on the left.
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Loganovac |
27 Aug 2008, 09:46
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Membru incepator Group: Members Posts: 71 Joined: 6 April 08 |
Once again you are wrong. One pound equals 0,45359237kg, so 2 feet times 130 pounds totals to 117,9340162kg.
27 Aug 2008, 08:53: P.S. if it makes you happy, just for your eyes, Heinz, I can admit that LPG use is roughly 250-400% higher than gasoline. No problem at all. That would probably make you happy not converting your vehicles to LPG. many greetings - Loganovac - This post has been edited by Loganovac: 27 Aug 2008, 09:53 |
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2007 Prestige 1.6 16V + BRC sequent
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eXtenSion |
27 Aug 2008, 11:37
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Membru autentic Group: Members Posts: 1.260 Joined: 10 January 05 |
Logan 1.6 16V: 4 people(~300kg) + a full trunk.
European highways, speeds around 130kmph, ~8.0 av. European roads, speeds around 95kmph, 6.4 av. Ive noticed that European cities are far more less crowded, traffic wise, compared to RRo cities. While going down the Alps, in Austria, I got a 0.0 av. |
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heinz57g |
27 Aug 2008, 11:39
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>> Once again you are wrong
i guess i should get used to it. so keep on trying. >> One pound equals 0,45359237kg thats in the UK. we are in europe here (or trying to be), and by general and common usage a pound is half a kilo. ask your mami. or try to teach her 0,45359237kg. but then you forgot: we have (above) the UK pound (avoirdupois), the troy pound (373gr), the tower pound (350gr), the merchants' pound (437gr), the london pound (467gr), a few others, and last not least, and quite officially, the Metric pound at 500 gramms. >> totals to 117,9340162kg well, not quite, but you are getting closer to stu and me. >> I can admit that LPG use is roughly 250-400% higher than gasoline careful, you will now be quoted in every LPG forum and the entire internet. actually, i was just told that some albanians who are in the LPG market would like to visit you personally, this weekend. >> you happy not converting your vehicles to LPG what are you talking about? all my private cars were always on LPG (if they were not diesel), some 10++ of them over the years, including that funny LADA i told you about. our present NIVA runs on LPG, 6 or 7 of our office cars do (all LOGANs, including the one i will start taking tonight) ... so? greetings - heinz - PS: eXtenSion, tks for your valuable input, in the right spirit. >> While going down the Alps, in Austria, I got a 0.0 av. now it will be extremely (!) important for loganovac to know, if this was on -->> gasoline or LPG ??? This post has been edited by heinz57g: 27 Aug 2008, 12:13 |
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LOGANs, several
2004 - 2008 There is nothing wrong with change, if it is in the right direction. Thats why the British drive on the left.
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Loganovac |
27 Aug 2008, 13:39
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>we have (above) the UK pound (avoirdupois), the troy pound (373gr), the tower pound (350gr), the merchants' pound (437gr), the london pound (467gr), a few others, and last not least, and quite
officially, the Metric pound at 500 gramms.< For that contribution to the Modern Metrology Knowledge, you should be awarded a PHD title and a Nobel prize. About those Albanians, after all your activities on this forum on the LPG consumption, they will have to make a decision which one of us to visit first. And, yes, according to eXtenSion's data, I assume he drives on LPG. And going down the Alps, now it will be extremely (!) important for Heinz to know, all of us are right about the ratio between LPG and gasoline consumption. It can be 10, 25 or 250 PERCENT MORE OR LESS LPG THAN gasoline. Q U O T E T H I S ! ! ! |
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heinz57g |
27 Aug 2008, 15:13
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>> you should be awarded a PHD title and a Nobel prize
but thanks, the PHD i have since 30+ years, the nobel i am working on ... >> those Albanians ... they will have to make a decision which one of us to visit first already decided, its beauty before age in this case, so you are first. greetings - heinz - |
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2004 - 2008 There is nothing wrong with change, if it is in the right direction. Thats why the British drive on the left.
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Keka |
27 Aug 2008, 19:52
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Logan driver :P Group: Members Posts: 113 Joined: 30 May 07 From: Novi Sad, Serbia |
QUOTE keka, looks good so far, but 500km cannot yet clearly tell consumption, so give it some time I know, this was preliminary data |
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2004 1.6 MPI Laureat pack LPG by Dora
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martin245 |
27 Aug 2008, 20:32
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EX PAT Group: Members Posts: 913 Joined: 1 April 06 From: Karlsbad Germany (again) |
More like premature !!
But keep the Info coming in every little bit helps StU 28 Aug 2008, 06:26: In Germany during and after the war they used to somehow burn wood on the back of a vehicle and catch fumes to make a motor run Come on Dr Heinz .......How did this system work please Stu This post has been edited by martin245: 28 Aug 2008, 07:26 |
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logan 14 mpi Simply RED
2007
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heinz57g |
28 Aug 2008, 07:49
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IN PAT Group: Members Posts: 200 Joined: 6 May 07 |
wood gas stoves? still used today, various puposes, in countries
like india, indonesia and south america. for starters, look here: http://www.instructables.com/id/Wood_gas_s..._in_10_minutes/ they ARE simple, so thats why during WW2 they could be built on the run. by the way, not only on german cars ... google for it, and you find plenty of pics. greetings - heinz - |
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LOGANs, several
2004 - 2008 There is nothing wrong with change, if it is in the right direction. Thats why the British drive on the left.
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g100sic |
28 Aug 2008, 10:14
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Membru autentic Group: Members Posts: 313 Joined: 4 January 07 From: Serbia |
Loganovac, you told us everything here except was your foot any lighter before you converted to LPG
In the spirit of the discussion, it would also be nice of you to explain the conditions in more detail, for instance, do you also apply some force on your foot, or you just let the Earth's gravity do it's stuff PS Obviously, for the sake of the correctness, along with the average consumption we must all as of now report the heaviness of our feet! To avoid metrology issues, I will stick to the ISO standard metric system, and I hereby report my foot to be 35.5 kilo (measured yesterday). So, to make up for Loganovac' 60 kilos per foot, I have to apply force to my foot, and therefore burn calories from the food, but I guess it is cheaper then both petrol and LPG! I may be wrong though, I still don't know how much calories I burn this way, but Loganovac might help calculating this theoretically This post has been edited by g100sic: 28 Aug 2008, 10:37 |
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2010 / Trend (Flex Pack 11) Never argue with a fool -- people might not notice the difference! (Murphy's First Law of Debate)
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Loganovac |
28 Aug 2008, 10:38
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1. Trust me, before I made my first LPG conversion my foot was WAY lighter.
2. It's hard to explain. Just like explaining what exactly you are doing with your wife. I guess that sometimes I let the gravity do the job, but sometimes... |
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g100sic |
28 Aug 2008, 10:43
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Membru autentic Group: Members Posts: 313 Joined: 4 January 07 From: Serbia |
Trust you me, I could easily explain what I do with my wife, but I don't want to!!!
But with my foot, well... not so easily... |
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Fiesta 1.4 (96 HP)
2010 / Trend (Flex Pack 11) Never argue with a fool -- people might not notice the difference! (Murphy's First Law of Debate)
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Loganovac |
28 Aug 2008, 10:43
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It is easy to calculate, because it is well known that if you are looking for cheaper driving energy, it is confirmed so many times that just one meat pie can make you cycling as much as 100km. Now, one meat pie costs about 60 cents...
28 Aug 2008, 09:47: >>I could easily explain what I do with my wife<< ... in the meaning of mechanics, I don't believe you, at least not without any help from the experts (for instance Dr. Heinz). This post has been edited by Loganovac: 28 Aug 2008, 10:47 |
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g100sic |
3 Sep 2008, 23:59
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Membru autentic Group: Members Posts: 313 Joined: 4 January 07 From: Serbia |
Ups, we've been misbehaving...
Let's get back on track... Fresh data, right from the gas station, OBC reset: Warm engine, light traffic, few traffic light stops, even so average speed (only just) 28.9 km/h, 4.7 km stretch, avg. consumption on that stretch 7.9 l/100km, which I consider very good for a city drive! But... Just from maneuvering on the parking at home it went up to 8.3 l/100km!!! |
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2010 / Trend (Flex Pack 11) Never argue with a fool -- people might not notice the difference! (Murphy's First Law of Debate)
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heinz57g |
4 Sep 2008, 01:20
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g100sic, you should have known better: measuring on such a short distance
is almost nonsense, gives no meaningful values. the LOGANs boardcomputer and the flow-measuring system is NOT very sophisticated, to say it politely. any answer to this is considered off-topic. greetings - heinz - PS: stu, you are off-topic. whatever you said. |
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LOGANs, several
2004 - 2008 There is nothing wrong with change, if it is in the right direction. Thats why the British drive on the left.
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martin245 |
4 Sep 2008, 19:07
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EX PAT Group: Members Posts: 913 Joined: 1 April 06 From: Karlsbad Germany (again) |
We are not posting off topic we have written about fuel consumption in just about every possible way and we are enjoying this as well .Do not think we are just chatting because there is a wealth of information on this thread if you just read between the lines
Eh Guys Stu |
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logan 14 mpi Simply RED
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g100sic |
4 Sep 2008, 20:57
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Membru autentic Group: Members Posts: 313 Joined: 4 January 07 From: Serbia |
I'm well aware that results from the OBC are very fluctuating early after reseting, but they are far from meaningless. In fact, until the averaging settles, it's behavior resembles that of an instantaneous fuel consumption indication that existed in early Logans, but which they lately silently dropped, not because it was not sophisticated (enough) but because people misinterpreted it's readings and then complained about it (apparently high fuel consumption).
What I wanted to point out: 1. conditions were almost ideal for a city drive (and so are the results, which is GOOD for Logan, near to what the factory states for the average consumption in the city), and yet the average speed achieved was less then 30 km/h, and, 2. how much the maneuvering in tight places affects (worsens) the fuel consumption, that most of us are very little (or not at all) aware of. This can only be seen before the averaging settles. Oh, and I forgot to mention in the first post that the A/C was ON! This post has been edited by g100sic: 4 Sep 2008, 21:04 |
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Loganovac |
12 Sep 2008, 06:20
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AMAZINGLY LOW FUEL CONSUMPTION!!!
Last 2 weeks - only 30l LPG! Let's see who can beet this! P.S. NOT AN OFF-TOPIC! |
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heinz57g |
12 Sep 2008, 11:18
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i can beat this easily: last ten days only about 2 liters (gasoline
though). actually, that car will the beat its own record: the next 4 days it will use 0 liters. greetings - heinz - |
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2004 - 2008 There is nothing wrong with change, if it is in the right direction. Thats why the British drive on the left.
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Loganovac |
12 Sep 2008, 11:43
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C O N G R A T U L A T I O N S ! ! !
Unbelievable result! Renault engineers should be notified. Greetings. P.S. NOT AN OFF-TOPIC! |
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heinz57g |
12 Sep 2008, 15:14
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IN PAT Group: Members Posts: 200 Joined: 6 May 07 |
agreed, both of us should get a price for the lowest possible
fuel consumption LPG / BENZIN. greetings - heinz - seriously: we had another car doing 2730km between august 15th and 24th, no A/C but lights on, smooth motorways but little real high speed highways, no cities, overall fairly mountainous for 1/4rd of it, and averaging 5.68L/100km - congrats to the driver, this time a lady! for those who want to know: istanbul-sofia-skopje-sofia- bukarest-sofia-istanbul, incl some local sidetrips. 1.4LMPI gasoline, 2 people (600km with 4), luggage. This post has been edited by heinz57g: 12 Sep 2008, 15:29 |
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DACIA
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2004 - 2008 There is nothing wrong with change, if it is in the right direction. Thats why the British drive on the left.
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bougie |
30 Nov 2009, 22:30
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I have the 1.5 85 dci in my logan, and looking at the other posts, I do truly believe it is worth the extra cost.
First of all the performance is utterly amazing in the lightweight logan, numerically the 1.6 goes to 100 km/h faster but in real life situations the large amount of torque the diesel produces makes it fly like the wind, the car feels a lot faster and "sporty" on the gas than a megane II 1.6 16v 115 I drove a while back which felt like it was broken compared to the combo logan-dci. Fuel consumption is very good indeed, in combined city-motorway traffic I get 5,5 in the worst possible scenario (winter, traffic, city) while stil zooming along at a good pace due to the high torque. On the highway the consumption depends on your needs: Driving behind a truck or lorry at a safe distance I get 3,6 Driving 100 on the counter (90 on gps) I get 3,9. Driving 110 on the counter (100 on gps) I get 4,3. Driving 120 on the counter (110 on gps) I get 4,8. Driving 130 on the counter (120 on gps) it should be around 5, I'm not completely sure about the last one cuz lets face it the logan is not a very nice car to drive very long distances at such high speeds (bouncy and noisy) The engine would be very well suited for a sixth gear and I miss it, the engine is more than strong enough to cope with it and would give an even better consumption on the highway (I drive 110-120 and the revs are 2500-2750, for those who are interested, 130 is 3000 revs) interesting to know is that I am busy with economical driving, I keep the revs as stable as possible between 2000-2200 revs (going lower is actually bad for consumption and reliability, lots of people make this mistake, its keeping the revs stable at a good middle of the line torque production rpm that gives you good mileage.) I turn off the engine when Im waiting too long, I brake a lot on the engine (thats the big one, modern engines like the dci, not the mpi's, shut down all injection when you release the throttle while still in gear, thus consuming literally nothing while rolling to a halt.) and thanks to the diesel torque I dont have to go above 2500 revs to go fast. Another interesting thing to know is that I have also driven the 70 bhp version of the dci, there is a huge difference. The 70 bhp version for one uses a higher ratio gearbox to compensate for the lack of power, thus forcing you to cruise at higher revs. Another problem is that it really feels like a tuned down, suffocated engine compared to its big brother. This combined with having to press down the throttle deeper due to less power makes this engine less pleasant to drive, with more noise and a higher fuel consumption. |
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