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now that is really OFF TOPIC. if you would have told us, she drives a red MCV, fair enough, i would have understood ... anyone driving a red car deserves special attention. i know of one country in asia, where they even introduced special lanes on the roads, for red cars only (and i am not kidding!). greetings - heinz This post has been edited by heinz57g: 3 Aug 2008, 11:29

now that is really OFF TOPIC. if you would have told us, she
drives a red MCV, fair enough, i would have understood ...
anyone driving a red car deserves special attention.

i know of one country in asia, where they even introduced
special lanes on the roads, for red cars only (and i am not
kidding!).

greetings - heinz

This post has been edited by heinz57g: 3 Aug 2008, 11:29

Hey You Guys,

I already give to charity, I'm willing to learn, but how on earth did the subject turn to huge breasts, I do hope they're greasy.
I also asked about a workshop manual, in English.
What sexy subject do I get instead of this I wonder????
Regards, Barrie, SW France.

barrie, if we now start discussing 'grease' on modern cars, it think it
will be as endless as the subject 'oil'.

workshop manuals: it was answered here too, somewhere somewhen.
you should ask ger from the NL dacia club, he is the only one who could
help you (at least for the moment, untill stu returns, and changes to big
boobs again - happens when you sell icecream all day).

greetings - heinz

PS: what does the SW stand for in you signature? 'Sold to Washington',
or somewhere near biarritz?

PPS: and the 2008 NOT KNOWN means you dont have your MCV yet?
then why start worrying now? you wont need a workshop manual anyhow,
and hardly any oil. and you'll get the best and roomiest car that money
can buy (THAT amount of money). remember the old CITROEN and
RENAULT 7-seater BREAK versions? this is what you'll get, at least size-
wise. well, not quite a DS21 Pallas Break ...

This post has been edited by heinz57g: 3 Aug 2008, 17:17

Greasy Breasts ????
OMG
Now this throws a light on SW doesnt it
Sexual Wierdo
Stu

Hi Guys,

The SW stands for South West, now tell me what you were thinking honestly?
I couldn't locate the fellow in the Nederlands, then someone promised to e.mail me the manual, but so far, nothing.
For the uninformed, I've had my MCV since April, the Not Known refers to the matriculation number, which I shall keep to myself.
When I find out how, I may send a photo.
Regards Barrie.

PS Carry on with the big breasts please.

hi guys, wait for me I also happen to like big greasy breasts ,but really i think more than a handfull is a waste of quality material ,don't u think so?
also the system won't let me pm ger for a manual "Cause i haven't enough posts? could someone explain to me why?
hey heinz by special lane for red cars u mean lane reserved for fire engines?


cu all

Aali

This post has been edited by Aali: 3 Aug 2008, 23:08

>> The SW stands for South West, now tell me what you were thinking honestly?

barrie, well i did mention biarritz, which is about as far south and certainly west as it goes,
but pau or even bordeaux would fit too - just guessing.

>> I couldn't locate the fellow in the Nederlands

he is here in the forum ( http://www.daciaclub.ro/index.php?showuser=23995 ), and the 'boss' of
the dutch DACIA forum.

>> For the uninformed, I've had my MCV since April

then belated congratulations, hope you enjoy it as much as most of us do.

>> Not Known refers to the matriculation number, which I shall keep to myself

dont worry, only a few of us have the habit of showing up at somebodys doorsteps semi-announced,
but if it makes you feel better, keep your little secret.

>> When I find out how, I may send a photo

now that would be nice, specially if you include some of your nice SW F landscape in
the background.

>> Carry on with the big breasts please

sorry, for this we need stu to fill in. we have a specialist for everything here.

ali, where the heck were you? we missed you. again observing pistachio trees? if you ever
want to know, i can tell you where the best ones really come from.

>> big breasts

wait for stu

>> red cars

wait for stu

>> special lanes

wait for stu, untill you see him drive

greetings - heinz -

This post has been edited by heinz57g: 3 Aug 2008, 23:38

>> ali, where the heck were you? we missed you. again observing pistachio trees? if you ever want to know, i can tell you where the best ones really come from.

well... u know tha answer,then why do u ask .some of us, at least unlucky ones have to work for a living and plz tell me where the best ones really come from? it is a matter of pride

This post has been edited by Aali: 4 Aug 2008, 00:17

>> tell me where the best ones really come from? it is a matter of pride

well, your pride will not get hurt, because it is close by. i would say, at least commercially,
rafsanjan, sirjan and zarand, but personally and privatly, a very small garden in jupar.

greetings - heinz -

This post has been edited by heinz57g: 4 Aug 2008, 00:52

Regards, Barrie,.

<span class='edit'>4 Aug 2008, 07:59:</span>
Hi You Guys,

I have the same problem with lack of posts to send a message to Alex in the Nederlands.

If you read this Alex: Please e.mail me the Repair Manual, in whatever language.
Many Thanks, B.


For those wanting to know where I live: 50kms from Toulouse.

For those who were thinking " Sex Weirdo" Get Stuffed!!! In the nicest possible way.

For those who don't believe in oil changes, tell me where all the products of combustion go.
I still maintain that oil is cheaper than a new motor.

And after 4 months, my Logan is a real treat.

Regards, Barrie,.

This post has been edited by Barrie: 4 Aug 2008, 09:58

hi barrie

>> same problem with lack of posts to send a message to Alex in the Nederlands

normally he answers very quickly, maybe his is on holiday?

>> jaxxxs.wxxxxxn@orange.fr

the forum is constantly checked by bots for email addresses, i would suggest you
edit yours out quickly, and give it only in PMs. otherwise you will find out quickly why.

>> where I live: 50kms from Toulouse

great area, so should be lovely pictures.

>> those who were thinking " Sex Weirdo"

are you seriously thinking any of us were (but stu)?

>> Get Stuffed!!! In the nicest possible way

well, not my side, but i am told there would be some nice ways.
but we are on the wrong forum for this.

>> where all the products of combustion go

98% out of the exhaust pipe, where else would you want them?
inside the car?

>> I still maintain that oil is cheaper than a new motor

you have every right to think and do what you like. that does not make it more correct, though.

>> And after 4 months, my Logan is a real treat

now that, barrie, is some really good news. tks for letting us know.

greetings - heinz -

Thanks for the warning,I've done as suggested.
I note that 2% of the product goes to the sump.
The stuborn old "B" is still for Changing the oil early in the motors life.
This practice has served me well for over 50 years.
Now some advice on sending photos please.
Regards Barrie. France.

OK Join up to flickr that is www.flickr.com then you can upload you photos using them .You then Copy the link into your post like this

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3055/271704...3df638a36_o.jpg

if you do it that way you let us click on the link to my photograph
BUT
if you press on the letters IMG a box will appear and just paste the Url into the box and you will get this
2717043115_d3df638a36_o.jpg


It is dead easy and I realy recomend Flickr it is free and easy to upload to using the uploader tools
Stu

Hey that is a coincidence That your Last name is France eh
Barrie France Mmmmmm Stuart English or Even Heinz Germany




@ Barrie

I dug this out for you not Greasy but wobbly
Stu
http://mirrored.flabber.nl/boob.cursor/ciagnijcycka.swf

This post has been edited by martin245: 4 Aug 2008, 17:57

Cheers Stu, England,

Thanks for the info, and the enclosure. It beats oil changing anytime.

Barrie.

[I note that 2% of the product goes to the sump.]
Barrie in a process known as positive crankcase ventilation (PCV)
filtered air enters the sump's air and again sucked out to the intake
manifold to be burned in the combustion chamber,so i think that
solves your problem.

as for heinz,u force me hamvatan to get technical:as export quality
goes;the best pistachioes (the huge jumboes and long whoopers) come
from rafsanjan.the best of the best come from koshkuee-eh to anar
districts.sirjan pistachioes are of inferior quality and zarand
pistachios are mainly coveted for their super green nuts used in
confectionaries.abt a small orchard in jupar,well u can do many things
in a small scale orchard which is not feasible in a big operation.

cu

Aali

ali, you and technical?

>> well u can do many things in a small scale orchard

finally you got it. it has been a long time ago, but i still remember what one can do in a small
orchard ... and it had very little to do with pistachios. they were just the excuse.

regarding export quality, i think you are talking nonsense. and you can only prove your point
by sending us one kilo of the finest here to europe, and then we can maybe agree with you.

greetings - heinz -

Hey You Guys,

I only asked about changing my oil early.
I've been told to give to charity, offered big breasts; asked for greasy ones and got wobbly ones instead, and now the subjects turned to NUTS.
Thankfully not mine, but where next I ask?
Bewildered, Barrie.

barrie, this is a very social board, with your actual question surely discussed
and answered, but many other (nice?) things thrown in.

so if you DO have any more real question (but pls dont tell us you now want
to change your tires every 5000km), just ask, and many of us will be more
than pleased to answer.

there is, however, little point of asking anything if long before the first answer
you already have made up your mind, and your opinion stands against ALL
opinons of EVERYBODY else. you may still ask, but dont wonder if things kind
of wander away quickly.

otherwise, just enjoy being here. and we are still looking forward to see your pictures.

and if you ever tasted real iranian pistachios, you know why this IS a real subject.

greetings - heinz

This post has been edited by heinz57g: 6 Aug 2008, 18:01

MY nuts arnt Green
Stu

...
The stuborn old "B" is still for Changing the oil early in the motors life.
This practice has served me well for over 50 years.
...

Quite a few things changed over the last 50 years...
We now have unleaded fuel (at a price, though ), catalysators,... boobs... not to mention internet forums!

No one said your practice would hurt your engine (except maybe Heinz, but only if you intended to be a race driver ), it is just that now it's obsolete (if it wasn't obsolete even 50 years ago, but people just didn't know that back then)!!!

Hey You Guys,

You are quite right, I'd already made up my mind to change my oil earlier than the 10,000 kms recommended in the owners manual.
My original question was: Is there any good reason NOT to change early?
Throughout my career I've been faced with special "running in"oils.
Motors with magnetic sump plugs, that look like Christmas Trees when examined.
I have found nut and bolts, swarf and even fag ends on the first service, coming out with the oil.
I'm delighted with the diesel Logan, and want it to last many years, it may even be the last car I ever own.
Before you say anything about changing tyres;I shall interchange these at regular intervals with out asking for help. If they only last 5000kms I shall be very disappointed; I usually get more than 15 times this distance with care and regular pressure checks.
Thanks for the advice and banter,
Regards Barrie.

ok, so you have found a "never run out" bottle of engine oil, aparently

The only thing is about the first change of oil (or at least used to be), and that is because on a brand new engine, the rugosity of the cylinder, crankshaft, piston, and other surfaces rubbing each other are at a higher value than normal (because rugosity obtined by machines when finishing out the cylinder for example, it's higher) so that's why we need to "break in" the motor for the first 3000km or so. When the engine runs, surfaces are rubbing each other, and they are polishing each other.. and all the debree obtanind are in the oil (trapped in filter and magnetic sump). Theese debrees are in a greater number if the engine is new.. and that's why it's recomended (it was used to) to change the first oil at 500-1000km, then another change at 3000-5000km. After that will be at normal 10000km for now on (until the rebuid of the motor)

What i said above it's history more or less, because nowadays we can actualy produce the optimum rugosity in the cylinder, so the "break in" is no longer needed (just a few precautios not to excesivly rev up the engine in the first 3000km or so)

So if the engine is new, i personaly would change the oil more often in the first 10000km, after that it's totaly useless to change the oil (unless it has reached 10000km from the last change of oil)

Thanks Asi,

At least one of you agrees with my point of view.

Regards, Barrie.

This post has been edited by Barrie: 8 Aug 2008, 12:31

>> At least one of you agrees with my point of view

>> What i said above it's history more or less

>> if the engine is new, i personaly would change the oil more often in the first 10000km

sorry, it might not be my day today, but here i am lost.

totally. yes, it does happen.

greetings - heinz -

well i said that i would consider a proper break in of the engine, because i'm not trusty that all components are smooth enough to run without excesive wear in it's first km of life (especialy on entry level-medium cars, i don't think they pay enough attention to theese details).
So that includes an intermediate change of oil to clean the debrees obtained from wear.

But that depends on the car.. on e7j, k7j engines (wich are not state of art engines, nor new ) i cannot assume that brake in is not necesary.
On my mercedes i did pay a little attention not to rev up the engine in it's first 3000km, but that's it, no oil change.


It's history because theoreticly nowadays an engine is no longer required special attention in it's first km, but still car manufacturers put a warning not to rev up the engine excesivly durring it's first 3000km

So it depends ... on normal priced cars, may need a little atention to prevent damage on long term.
If you find yourself buying a new sl65amg be sure that you can rev up the engine as much as you like right off the trailer from factory. (Mercedes cannot afford negative image if some clients are destroing new engines, and since it's an expesive sport car, many owners would want to test it's power right away, and do not want to wait till 3000km or so. ) - But i feel this is not the case.