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> nbk DELL INSPIRON 6400, si 4G Ram

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post 28 Oct 2008, 02:20
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sal,

care aveti Dell Inspiron 6400, eventual modelul E1505, core 2duo 2G 4mb ch, 1GDDR2, Ati X1400, 120G Hdd?

ati incercat/reusit sa-i puneti mai mult de 2G ram? vreau sa iau 4G, 2x2G, si sa nu ma trezesc ca nu porneste, sau nu vede decat 2.

oricum, Xp-ul am inteles, ca si Vista, versiunile x86 aka. 32Bit nu inghit mai mult de 3.25G in rulaj, chiar daca vad 4G sau 3.5G,

mie de ex, My Comp in Xp imi indica 997Mb.

ca atare, Cinema4D, care vrea 1Gram la instalare nu actioneaza ca vede 997.



so, ati incercat mai mult de 2G?


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post 28 Oct 2008, 02:58
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Pai poti sa mergi cu laptopul la magazin, si sa ii rogi pe ei sa o monteze.
Putin probabil sa refuze. Eu asa am procedat.
In specificatii ce spune? Suporta 4 gb?


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post 28 Oct 2008, 07:25
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Am si eu modelul asta de laptop si NU merge 4GB de ram in el. Limitarea vine de la chipset (Intel 945PM), nu poate accesa 4 GB, merge insa 3 GB (2+1 GB).

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post 28 Oct 2008, 11:15
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aha, deci degeaba iau 2 cu 2 ca nu=i vede...

hm, pacat. oricum OS pe 32 nu vede 4G


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post 28 Oct 2008, 11:23
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QUOTE(tzepesch @ 28 Oct 2008, 12:15)
hm, pacat. oricum OS pe 32 nu vede 4G
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Dimpotriva, 4G e limita superioara de memorie adresabila pe 32b. Limitarile la 3G, 2G etc. sunt date de chipseturi.

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post 28 Oct 2008, 11:26
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Windows xp normal nu acceseaza 4 gigi de ram.
Xp pe 64 e o porcarie. am la firma, am tot felul de minuni cu ele
Vista se descurca cu 4 gigi de ram, dar tot ce castigi, consuma vista tongue.gif . plus ca n-as recomanda vista nici dusmanilor.

Pe al meu am 1.5 giga de ram. Avand in vedere ca nici nu tin windows pe el, arhisuficienti. Fostul designer avea si el un inspiron, cu 2 gigi de ram, n-avea probleme cu el.

Sper ca n-o sa incerci sa faci chestii prea cretze in Cinema4d pe laptop. Vorbim totusi de un sistem orientat spre portabilitate, nu viteza de procesare.

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Illusion, ai si n-ai dreptate. poate adresa 4 gigi, dar nu numai de ram. mai trebuie sa adreseze si alte lucruri. Placa video de exemplu.

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post 28 Oct 2008, 12:03
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ia uite ce scrie la intel la chipsetu i945PM

Dual-channel DDR2 667MHz Memory Support
Up to 10.7GB/s of bandwith and up to 4GB memory addressability, for faster system responsiveness.


iar Dell Support Center precizeaza si el ca duce 4GB.

28 Oct 2008, 12:04:
da, eu fac randari la greu pe laptop si merg f bine.

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post 28 Oct 2008, 15:56
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QUOTE(bucatzel @ 28 Oct 2008, 12:26)

Later edit:
Illusion, ai si n-ai dreptate. poate adresa 4 gigi, dar nu numai de ram. mai trebuie sa adreseze si alte lucruri. Placa video de exemplu.
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Toata memoria adresabila pe 32b e 4G. Asta include tot ce are nevoie de spatiu de adresa (memoria video etc.). Unele chipseturi suporta pana la 8G de memorie, altele numai 2 sau 3G. Daca ai 3G RAM si o placa video de 1G si mai pui 1G RAM o sa-l pui degeaba.

Din cate stiu eu, aplicatiile pot adresa doar 2G de memorie.

QUOTE(hp technical support)
Due to architectural reasons, not all of the physical memory will be available in systems equipped with 4096MB of RAM. This issue is not specific to HP workstations. Any current system capable of supporting 4GB of RAM will have the same issue.

To get better performance, many devices use Memory Mapped I/O (MMIO) to transfer data between system memory and the device. Typical devices are graphics adapters, network interface cards, SCSI cards, and IEEE 1394 devices. To use MMIO a device will reserve a block of memory addresses. These addresses reside near the top of the addressable memory space. The MMIO range required for storage and I/O devices is usually small; somewhere around 1MB each is typical, but it can be much larger for devices like caching RAID cards.

The MMIO address requirements of graphics adapters are also usually much higher. A workstation graphics card can require up to 256MB. In the future, this requirement may go even higher. This larger MMIO address requirement is needed to achieve the high performance required of workstation class graphics. (This is also true of high-end consumer/game graphics devices.) It is standard practice for a graphics device to reserve a MMIO area equivalent to the size of the frame buffer so that 1:1 memory accesses can be performed. Some current graphics adapters require twice the frame buffer. It is also common to see a few more MBs of address space reserved in addition to the frame buffer for other uses. The AGP aperture memory is also an MMIO region. The AGP aperture is configurable in the BIOS setup and is typically set to 64MB or 128MB.

Current systems have 32 address lines. This means that they can address 4,294,967,296 bits or 4GB. When 4GB of physical memory is installed, these reserved address ranges actually reside in physical memory, making that memory unavailable for the operating system.

There is an option in the Setup (Chipset) to disable/enable the memory mapping. However, keep in mind that Windows (32-bit) is not able to manage addressing above 4GB and then there is no guarantee that the system will run well if the feature is enabled (which means that addressing will be done above 4GB). This switch is much more dedicated to the operating system being able to play above 4GB (like Linux).


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post 28 Oct 2008, 16:18
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pai cam asta ziceam si eu. poate nu m-am exprimat bine. Placa video e un exemplu, dar practic fiecare device din pc are nevoie de un spatiu de adresare. Care se iau din aia 4 giga, si astfel ramai cu 3 si ceva folosibili pentru adresarea ram-ului

oricum, sa pui 4 gigi de ram intr-un inspiron nu are rost. te trage in spate un hdd la 5400, un procesor mai degraba economic, si o arhitectura gandita la economie de spatiu.

pune inca un giga de ram sa ai 2, si cand o sa ai nevoie de putere adevarata de procesare , orienteaza-te catre un pc cu dual processor, procesoare puternice inauntru, mult ram, hdd-uri sata puse in raid de viteza (tot uit care raid e care). Sau un mac tongue.gif

N-am idee ce stie cinema 4d sau ce stie maya, dar daca sunt echivalente, maya exista si pentru linux.


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post 28 Oct 2008, 18:14
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intotdeauna un laptop e mai slab mai mult sau mai putin decat un desktop cu aceeasi configuratie...se poate demosntra in orice benchmark pentru aia ce sustin contariul. Nu poti sa faci un procesor pe 35 de W sa aiba aceasi performanta ca unul pe 70-100 chiar daca are aceasi frecventa, cache, etc. Valabil si la chipset, video, samd.


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post 28 Oct 2008, 20:26
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Nu vreu sa te contrazic dar, daca nu ai o limita la bani eu iti dac un sistem pe laptop la fel de performat ca desktopul (aceeasi configuratie), dar in genera la noi astea muritori de rad asa e.


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post 28 Oct 2008, 20:35
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Windows XP Professional and Windows Server 2003 Memory Support. The maximum amount of memory that can be supported on Windows XP Professional and Windows Server 2003 is also 4 GB.

The virtual address space of processes and applications is still limited to 2 GB, unless the /3GB switch is used in the Boot.ini file. The following example shows how to add the /3GB parameter in the Boot.ini file to enable application memory tuning:

[boot loader]
timeout=30
default=multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(2)\WINNT
[operating systems]
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(2)\WINNT="????" /3GB


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post 28 Oct 2008, 22:34
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am instalat azi XP sp3 corporate pe un laptop cu 3G. vede doar 2.90G la my comp.

oricum, baietii de la mariosoft sunt super de treaba, mi-au zis sa merg cu laptopu si incerc la ei. deci nu ii iau si daca nu merg tzeapa mea. ii probez inainte. super. pai unde in buc iti mai ofera un magazin chestia asta. aia din service mi-au zis ca nu-mi comanda 4G ca nu domne, nu suporta. deci mananca rahat turcesc cu kilu aia de la Lasting. ca ce e scris de producator e litera de evanghelie. inca o data, relatiile cu clientii, tocmai la firmele mari sunt jalnice! ma rog, am eu istorii mai vechi cu "specialistii" acelei firme


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post 29 Oct 2008, 00:07
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Suta aia de mega lipsa... nu s-a dus cumva la placa video?


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post 29 Oct 2008, 09:20
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f posibil. ca are placa d-aia intel de suge tot din ram.


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post 3 Nov 2008, 01:29
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intrebare. care-i faza cu timingul la memorii.

ramu actual are 5-5-5-13

5-5-5-15 e mai rapid sau mai lent?

a, am pus 1G Quimoda 667 (HP) cu 512Mb Samsung 667 (Dell). dar nefiind acelasi timg, probabil sau aceeasi marca cu prima ocazie dadura blue-screen.

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