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DomnulK
post 20 Feb 2008, 06:47
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La mers constant nu creste.Daca te dai la ea mai mult(ptr ca intr-adevar trage mai frumos) va creste si consumul.Dar si fara remapare daca mergi mai sport iti creste consumul.Oricum,merita.
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post 20 Feb 2008, 12:28
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poate fac o confuzie dar din cate stiam in reprize valorile acelei sonde sunt ignorate.


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post 20 Feb 2008, 14:08
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post 20 Feb 2008, 14:12
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Nu am anulat sonda.Am verificat consumul la pompa.Inainte de plecarea la Mioveni am umplut rezervorul pana sus.Ieri am repetat operatiunea.CB arata 21 l consumati,iar la pompa au intrat 21,5l .Consum mediu 7.0 l /100km(alergat pe autostrada plus fatait prin Pitesti si Bucuresti).Jumatate din km facuti cu softul original,jumatate cu celalalt.Pare destul de ok.


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post 20 Feb 2008, 14:17
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Ai facut testul de drum? Sa inveti ecu ...


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post 20 Feb 2008, 14:21
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Facut.


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post 20 Feb 2008, 22:29
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post 20 Feb 2008, 22:32
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ECU=Engine Control Unit.


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post 20 Feb 2008, 22:45
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pai si cand e luata in calcul de catre ecu acea sonda?


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post 20 Feb 2008, 22:50
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QUOTE(PaulT @ 20 Feb 2008, 14:21)
Facut.
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Pai si in ce consta acest test de drum pt a invata ECU? Ce anume trebuie sa il inveti si cum?

P.S. IRONIK, gata nu mai esti loganist? biggrin.gif

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post 20 Feb 2008, 22:51
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Ce se invata si pe banc de motoare ...

Sunt in continuare, dar m-am plictisit si de semnatura si de masina ...

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QUOTE(IRONICK @ 20 Feb 2008, 23:51)
Ce se invata si pe banc de motoare ...

Sunt in continuare, dar m-am plictisit si de semnatura si de masina ...
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mai exact? ce se invata la motor si cum?


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post 21 Feb 2008, 14:11
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post 21 Feb 2008, 15:39
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Invata motorul ce corectii de avans si dozaj sa faca. Adica in plus sau in minus fata de harta din memorie (pe principiul ca socoteala din fabrica nu se potriveste cu aia de pe sosea).


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post 21 Feb 2008, 15:42
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si in ce consta aceasta sau aceste proceduri?


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post 21 Feb 2008, 15:53
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De fapt sunt doua teste rutiere. Unul pentru "corectari" si altul identic cu cel facut dupa schimbarea senzorului care citeste de pe volanta ...

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Da, dar iti cam trebuie autostrada ...


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pentru corectari ...


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post 21 Feb 2008, 16:12
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bun. in ce constau aceste teste.... o descriere a procedurilor se poate?


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post 21 Feb 2008, 17:32
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Si pe mine ma intereseaza in ce constau aceste teste si sa va spun de ce (unii stiu deja). Acum un an mi-am facut resoftare, totul a fost OK la o proba scurta dupa aceea, dar in drum spre casa cam la 100KM, dupa cateva depasiri in panta cu acceleratia la podea si urcat pana spre 5000 rpm au aparut zgomote de avans, parca sunau clopotei. Zgomotele au persistat apoi cat timp am avut respectivul soft pe masina, se atenuau dar nu dispareau doar cand puneam benzina OVM Carrera 100. Am trecut inapoi la softul original si zgomotele suspecte au disparut.

Vreau sa incerc iarasi o remapare cu alta versiune de soft, dar nu vreau sa vad ca nu e bun tot in drum spre casa. Vreau sa stiu ce trebuie sa fac la fata locului pentru a-mi da seama daca softul se pupa sau nu, din cate stiu as avea la dispozitie doua versiuni de soft modificat.

Asadar, daca nu e cu suparare, cine stie EXACT ce trebuie facut, il rog sa posteze aici pasii.

Multumesc.

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post 21 Feb 2008, 17:40
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Posibil sa fie de la inceput ... depinde de nivelul tau de incantare sau nu. Oricum ecu invata singur unele din ele si atunci probabil tocmai asta a facut ...

EL. Asta nu scuza faptul ca fila a fost facuta prost.

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post 21 Feb 2008, 17:46
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Pai bun, ECU invata singur, autocorecteaza avansul, etc. Dar la mine de ce a fost invers, se auzea din ce in ce mai urat? O luase rau pe aratura ECU ....
Si te asigur ca la inceput nu au fost prezente deloc zgomote aiurea, doar un pic mai zgomotos motorul la relanti. In rest NIMIC.


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post 21 Feb 2008, 17:48
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Domnule IRONICK, de ce sunteti asa secretos?
pierdeti ceva daca explicati pasii de invatare?

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Corbu, in momentul ala ecu a invatat motorul. Stilul tau de mers in bucla, "forja" sau frana de motor a ajutat ecu sa invete motorul si senzorii. El tot timpul face o mediere a datelor. Si cum datele se "alterau", zgomotul crestea ...

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Mai nu stiu daca v-ati propus asta, dar vorbiti numai in dodii precum politicienii. Crezi ca ai inteles dar de fapt nu ai inteles nimic LOGIC. Pai cum adica stil de mers in bucla? Zgomotele au aparut la un pic de forja, in restul drumului schimbat normal la 2500-3000 rpm; nu forjez masina decat la depasiri cand e necesar.
In zona 2500 rpm facea rau scandal daca ii dadeam talpa, se mai domolea un pic cand cresteau turele, dar tot supara la ureche.

Si dupa o luna zic eu ca trebuia sa ii treaca pandaliile, condusesem masina in toate felurile: in oras, in afara incet, cu depasiri. The works. Si tot facea pe nebunul.

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post 21 Feb 2008, 22:05
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cred ca e un secret care nu trebuie sa se afle, am eu o vaga banuiala.


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Cred si eu ceea ce zice kAndrei ...


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Nu stiu de ce sunt toti asa ingrijorati de zgomotele de avans. La 1.4 cand il aveam, daca benzina era proasta, se auzea, dar nu era ceva deranjant, doar in sarcina maxima. Acu la motorul de 16 cu 16v nu prea am mai auzit. Si, sincer, nu-mi prea place! Parca imi vine sa cred ca softul original nu a fost remapat ci ca a fost lasat la fel. Totusi acum o saptamana prin nu stiu ce minune, la o forja in panta, l-am auzit din nou... dar mai suav laugh.gif


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