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post 19 Jan 2012, 18:21
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La alea cu pompa mecanica se regleaza din pompa. La cele care au calculator de injectie se regleaza din laptop.

@sudsemnatul: la un motor diesel aspirat singurul lucru care-l obtii din resoftare este ca vei pica ITP-ul.


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post 19 Jan 2012, 19:41
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QUOTE(madkat @ 19 Jan 2012, 11:39)
la dizalele astea primitive
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post 19 Jan 2012, 19:45
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post 19 Jan 2012, 21:54
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QUOTE(mk2 @ 19 Jan 2012, 19:21)
La alea cu pompa mecanica se regleaza din pompa. La cele care au calculator de injectie se regleaza din laptop.

@sudsemnatul: la un motor diesel aspirat singurul lucru care-l obtii din resoftare este ca vei pica ITP-ul.
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cand am cumparat-o, ma gandeam sa ii fac un chip si sa castig 7cp...dar m-am razgandit pentru ca m-am obisnuit cu ea si e ok asa cum e.


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post 19 Jan 2012, 22:17
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cu cei 7cp suplineai aerul vara biggrin.gif


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post 23 Jan 2012, 09:34
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QUOTE(l@u @ 19 Jan 2012, 23:17)
cu cei 7cp suplineai aerul vara  biggrin.gif
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nu are rost..dupa parerea mea

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post 23 Jan 2012, 11:58
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post 23 Jan 2012, 12:39
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si am mai vazut la o ibizia 1.9 sdi..tot asa era. Cand e f frig afara, cand ii dau drumu la motor..sta pe la 1000 vreo 15-20 de secunde...dupa aia revine asa cum e in poza.

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post 23 Jan 2012, 12:47
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E normal. Altfel s-ar descătușa toți caii putere la rece, și ar face prăpăd!


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post 23 Jan 2012, 12:54
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pai normal, nu toti sunt extaziati de motor ivtec turbo diesel de 2,2 litri care e considerat (in varianta euro5) cel mai lesinat din clasa.

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post 23 Jan 2012, 12:58
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ivtec diesel? turbo? habar n-ai ce vorbești.


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post 23 Jan 2012, 13:19
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alea de la Honda?! VTEC? e tehnologie veche dar sanatoasa.

Prima oara folosite pe motociclete, daca nu ma insel. Au omorat cativa oameni.


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post 23 Jan 2012, 13:27
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Dieselurile de la vw au relantiul pe la 850, cand motorul e cald.
Pe baietii aia i-a omorat prostia, nu vtecul.


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post 23 Jan 2012, 13:38
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QUOTE(cdadan @ 23 Jan 2012, 14:27)
Dieselurile de la vw au relantiul pe la 850, cand motorul e cald.
Pe baietii aia i-a omorat prostia, nu vtecul.
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Nu stiu cum e la auto, ca nu am condus, dar propria mea experienta si posesor de VTEC 800 cmc si 105 CP pot spune ca motorul ala era cam periculos. Cele 16 v lucrau dubios. primele 8 intrau pana in 7000 si celelalte 8 intrau dupa 7000. Daca nimereai sa fii putin inclinat cu ea, pe o curba, la 7000 de ture, in momentul in care intrau celelatle 8v cam rupea asfaltul-aderenta. Trebuia sa fii foarte atent. Din cate am inteles, ulterior dupa 2006, au mai remediat problema asta cei de la Honda, dar modelele 2002-2006 au cam tavalit cu multi oameni pe jos. Pentru ca daca vii de pe un model CBR cu motor clasic unde ai 8 v constant..nu ai ruperi de ritm la motor..ca la VTEC.


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post 23 Jan 2012, 13:49
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Ești convins că e vorba de 16v și nu de axe cu came cu 2 profiluri?


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post 23 Jan 2012, 13:57
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Da sunt sigur!!

http://www.motorcyclistonline.com/features...ptor/index.html

ENGINE
Type: l-c 90-deg V-four
Valve arrangement: dohc, 16v
Bore x stroke: 72.0mm x 48.0mm
Displacement: 781cc
Compression ratio: 11.6:1
Transmission: 6-speed
Final drive: #530 chain

alta sursa:

Engine l/c, 16v, injected, V-four, 781cc Power 107bhp @ 10,500rpm Torque 59ft/lb @ 8500rpm Insurance 14 Weight 218kg Seat height 805mm Fuel 22-litres Top speed 150mph


Dupa cum vezi...am avut si vehicule cu suta in 3.5 secunde ( 105 cai pe 220 kg si o yamaha de 95 de cai pe 200 kg ) si am trecut de faza in care am orgasm la viteza.
Asa ca cei 64 de caluti pricajiti sau magari cum le zic altii...sunt super suficienti pentru ce am eu nevoie.
O sa imi cumpar si o motocicleta daca o sa mai am nevoie de adrenalina. O sa fac alt jurnal de bord atunci smile.gif

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post 23 Jan 2012, 14:40
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QUOTE(Sudsemnatu @ 23 Jan 2012, 13:38)
Cele 16 v lucrau  dubios. primele 8 intrau pana in 7000 si celelalte 8 intrau dupa 7000.
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vtecul pe care-l stiu eu lucreaza un pic altfel.


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post 23 Jan 2012, 15:00
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Cred ca era un sistem mai primitiv de distributie variabila


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post 23 Jan 2012, 15:25
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oricum cu siguranta se focusau pe reducerea consumului de benzina-in niciun caz pe putere

la masina e asa:

Vtec works using a 2nd cam profile which is brought in a certain revs, and not really easy to do this without major work to the head.

dar la motor:

VFR800 VTEC, it has an oil pressure actuated rod which allows the cams to make contact with the second set of inlet and exhaust valves turning it from an 8v to a 16v.


si motivul despre care am zis si eu:

Vtec engines aren't generally aimed at making the car / bike go faster as they provide the same top end performance as conventional engines. VTEC engines are instead aimed at making a performance engine more economical at lower speeds. In some cases this allows a more powerful engine to be fitted to a can whilst retaining competitive fuel economy.

As a result VTEC has been fitted to bike like the VFR800 where commuting and touring as likely uses so the fuel saving with optional speed is desirable. Most modern bikes simply have high performance fuel guzzling engines as economy isn't a priority in sports bikes.


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http://www.zf.ro/auto/taxa-de-poluare-se-m...romania-9169746

Pentru un an se pare ca nu se va plati minunata taxa pentru masinile deja inmatriculate.


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post 24 Jan 2012, 11:33
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Da...dar e fix degeaba amanarea taxei asteia, cel putin pentru mine.

1. Nu am de gand sa vand masina in urmatorii doi ani
2. Daca as vrea sa o vand-cine ar cumpara o masina pentru care ar trebui sa plateasca o taxa la revanzare de 3000 de euro.

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post 24 Jan 2012, 11:37
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Revin ca tot au scos astia taxa si vreau sa te intreb daca esti multumit de SDI. Ma tot gandeam ca as putea merge pe motorizarea asta daca e ok. Si pot cumpara masina inmatriculata.


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post 24 Jan 2012, 11:57
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Vad ca esti din Brasov ca te-as fi invitat la o plimbare. In afara de ce am scris pe aici-referitor la consum, intretinere si durabilitatea ( dovedita de altii ) nu stiu ce sa mai zic.

Daca vrei putere ia un diesel pe turbina. Daca te multumesti cu 64 CP dar elimini riscul de a-ti pica turbina sau debimetrul, atunci ia un SDI ca e un motor curat si te va servi ani de acum incolo. Am mai spus: nu e zgomotos pe turisme si nici nu produce vibratii -probabil datorita unor bucsi suplimentare montate pe la motor.
Ce avantaj mai vad eu: Grupul VAG si multitudinea de piese care se potrivesc si de la alte masini - VW, SEAT etc
Fabia mi se pare f stabila si o masina inchegata..acum nu stiu ce SDI vrei sa iti iei tu.


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post 24 Jan 2012, 12:27
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Pai din cate stiu pe Fabia sunt doar 1.9 SDI. Asta vreau, dar nu prea am gasit. Vreau break ca a ta.


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post 24 Jan 2012, 13:19
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Nu e adevarat...e si 1.9 TDI si 1.4 TDI...cred ca toate motorizarile.

Chiar acum e la bursa o fabia break 1.4 TDI. Ai taxe mai mici la el...e motor in trei pistoane, nu stiu f multe despre el.
Daca nu faci multi km si vrei fabia break...gasesti ( chiar acum o luna am vazut la vanzare una cu 24.000 ) benzina 1.2 16v sau 1.4 16 v etc la pret de 3500 din 2005-2007.

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post 26 Jan 2012, 12:22
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Fabia se descurca excelent pe aceste zapezi, asta si datorita anvelopelor Michelin Alpin A3.


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post 26 Jan 2012, 14:06
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Mie A3-urile mi se par modeste, pe zapada. Conti sau Dunlop-urile echivalente au aderenta mai buna.


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post 26 Jan 2012, 15:17
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deh...nu toata lumea isi permite minunatele motoare cu axe cu came cu 2 profiluri excl.gif

Eu consider cele mai bune Vredestein Quatrac 3 si Nokian..dar in toate testele pe care le-am vazut Alpin, fie ca A3 sau A4, mereu sunt in top 3

cele mai bune sunt astea, crede-ma!

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