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post 2 Nov 2012, 12:26
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daca turcii sunt in stare sa ofere butoane pe usi in acelasi cost ca romanul pe consola centrala e treaba romanilor. daca turcii fac oglinzi cu semnalizare la fel de ieftin precum cele simple de la noi, care-i buba?! sau diferenta prea mica e incadrata cu succes de un sef de pe la departamentul de pricing, a.i. produsul sa fie mai dotat tine exact de detaliile de mai sus.
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A spus cineva ca va fi la acelasi pret ca Loganul? unsure.gif


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post 2 Nov 2012, 12:48
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cost si pret nu sunt chiar acelasi lucru


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post 2 Nov 2012, 13:32
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se vede cine a sesizat.

dar si cu un cost o idee mai mare, am introdus aceasta variabila in discutie prin prisma acelui departament de pricing (sau cum o fi denumit la renault) care se ocupa de achizitii de piese. mai bine dai un mic surplus pe o conceptie inginereasca care schimba radical perceptia produsului. aici intervine alt coleg mult mai priceput in ale tehnicii care poate exemplifica.


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post 2 Nov 2012, 14:27
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Nici costul n-are cum sa fie acelasi, fabrica din Pitesti nu cred ca e identica cu cea din Turcia. Nici salariile nu cred ca sunt la fel.
Oricum, indiferent cat ii costa pe ei sa-l produca, probabil se va vinde mai scump ca Loganul, doar pentru ca scrie pe el Renault.


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post 2 Nov 2012, 16:05
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daca nu se citeste cu atentie de aiai incep sa se duca discutiile pe pustiu.
eu ma refer la solutiile ingineresti de la furnizori, si pricing. nu are treaba cu gigelul din fabrica care se ocupa de programarea robotilor, sau da cu surubelnita sa prinda tabla de sasiu.

oglinda aia nu e construita de renault.
poate e mai convenabil decat sa cumpere tabla gaurita de pe aripa sai traga un fir pana la oglinda si sa aiba aceeasi functie. dar eviti puncte de risc pt rugina


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post 2 Nov 2012, 18:20
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Am intrebat pe pagina de FB a Renault: Will this be availabe in Romania?

Raspuns: No. Except Turkey, Algeria and Tunisia, New Renault Symbol will not be sold in countries where the Dacia brand is already distributed. Regards.

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post 3 Nov 2012, 09:50
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post 4 Nov 2012, 12:48
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eu nu inteleg de ce inca mai pun antena aia imensa


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post 4 Nov 2012, 20:39
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poza mai clara cu interiorul noului renault symbol

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post 4 Nov 2012, 21:20
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Câți români o vor cumpăra din Turcia, Algeria sau Tunisia?


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post 5 Nov 2012, 09:31
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lool, ce interior are renaultu...fata de dacia. pai clar va fi cu 1000-1500 euro mai scump.


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post 5 Nov 2012, 11:22
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Spanac! Acum ca am vazut interiorul de la Symbol putem opri postarile despre visurile noastre umede relativ la interiorul de Logan. Pentru ca interiorul din Symbol are exact ce asteptam eu in cel de Logan/Sandero:
- o atmosfera mai prietenoasa prin utilizarea unui mix bicolor + materiale ce par putin mai de calitate
- comenzi geamuri pe usi
- clima automata
- un bord care nu pare da senzatia de discontinuitate intre partea superioara si inferioara
- nichel adevarat si folosit relativ discret doar unde te astepti sa fie

Nici exteriorul nu arata chiar rau desi puteau lucra putin mai mult in partea din spate, pentru a masca provenienta din Logan. Cu un mimim de efort putea fi reproiectat capacul portbagajului si puse alte stopuri.
In fata le-a iesit relativ bine reusind cat de cat sa ascunda ca in spate e o dacie si sa apropie modelul mai mult de un Renault. Chiar si in lateral micile retusuri sunt acceptabile precum stalpii imbracati in negru si semnalizarea in oglinda (desi o alta oglinda era mai de efect, dar na..).

Deci impresia e relativ pozitiva dar am si o dezamagire prin faptul ca acum am siguranta faptului ca unele echipamente nu se vor regasi pe marca Dacia in viitorul apropiat.


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post 5 Nov 2012, 11:40
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Pentru ca interiorul din Symbol are exact ce asteptam eu in cel de Logan/Sandero:
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post 5 Nov 2012, 11:48
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banuiesc ca pt uk si pietele vestice se vor comercializa aceste echipari. si probabil in aceeasi bani ca loganul chel de rromania.

pai cum sa nu consideri ca o alternativa buna, masina dotata superior si poate la acelasi pret (se stie ca loganul 1 se vindea in germania mai ieftin decat la noi in zona mioritica)

drace, pt 8-9k euro, ce vad in poza este chiar atractiv din pct meu de vedere. maxim 10k pt motor diesel 110cp.
(fara navigatie dar de preferinta cu toate geamurile electrice si esp)

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post 5 Nov 2012, 12:41
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QUOTE(minny @ 5 Nov 2012, 11:22)
Acum ca am vazut interiorul de la Symbol putem opri postarile despre visurile noastre umede relativ la interiorul de Logan. Pentru ca interiorul din Symbol are exact ce asteptam eu in cel de Logan/Sandero

Deci impresia e relativ pozitiva dar am si o dezamagire prin faptul ca acum am siguranta faptului ca unele echipamente nu se vor regasi pe marca Dacia in viitorul apropiat.


La Renault se incearca constant implementarea de noi tehnologii pe cand la Dacia se aplica cele deja existente. Din acest motiv Renault este intotdeauna cu un pas (sau mai multi pasi) in avangarda Daciei. La noul Symbol nu se poate spune ca sint folosite tehnologii noi, dar micile dotari si modificari aduse masinii, fac totusi diferentierea intre marci, regula ramanand valabila.


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post 5 Nov 2012, 13:34
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ideea ta e partial buna.
te voi corecta eu.

In romania se aduc ciurucuri de catre majoritatea producatorilor auto nu numai renault, si respectul fata de client e situat undeva dupa toaleta.

Vezi megane in aceeasi echipare la noi vs la ei cum are dotari mai slabe.
Pai nu mai este aceeasi echipare atunci, de ce o denumiti expresion si in romania si in franta.
cumperi expresion ai dotarile xyz la nivel global
cumperi dinamic ai in plus abc. punct.

in romania ca sunt mai saraci introduci si o varianta mai cheala decat aia mai cheala din franta pe care nu o comercializezi in franta si gata.


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post 5 Nov 2012, 15:50
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post 5 Nov 2012, 17:26
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depinde unde mergi. Eu nu am avut probleme nici la dealer, nici la service si nici la Vocea Clientului cu Renault.

Referitor la designul masinii, pe Clio arata bine farurile cu partea de jos negru, dar pe Symbol parca are ochii umflati si sub ochi cercuri negre...

Avand in vedere ca Symbolul nu se va mai comercializa unde se vinde Dacia Logan, ar trebuii facut o echipare gen "Visul lui Ionica", care sa aiba dotarile identice cu Symbol, adica clima automata, consola negru lucios, etc.

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Dar de unde stiti ca nu se va comercializa Symbol unde se comercializeaza si Dacia ?


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QUOTE(CGDBZ @ 5 Nov 2012, 17:34)
Dar de unde stiti ca nu se va comercializa Symbol unde se comercializeaza si Dacia ?
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pentru ca asa a spus renault.


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post 5 Nov 2012, 17:43
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Inseamna ca eu dac vreau un Symbol nu gasesc in Romania ? Pai atunci o sa-mi iau u 301.


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post 5 Nov 2012, 18:01
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Ce stopuri sunt alea? clare? fara geam rosu? cu leduri?


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post 5 Nov 2012, 23:48
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S-ar parea ca stopurile alea nu se prea pupa cu Loganul/Symbolul. Am luat poza de aici aici impreuna cu celelalte.

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poza aia la portbagaj pare una oficiala si deci cine stie cum au facut-o...ceva stopuri pt facelift?! sau pt un alt fratior pt o alta piata (gen nissan sau datsun)


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Un interior la varianta basic...

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post 6 Nov 2012, 13:04
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In poza cu stopurile diferite parca usa de pe spate este de la Logan 1, fara portiunea cu geam fix.


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QUOTE(T.rac3Er @ 6 Nov 2012, 11:37)
poza aia la portbagaj pare una oficiala si deci cine stie cum au facut-o...ceva stopuri pt facelift?! sau pt un alt fratior pt o alta piata (gen nissan sau datsun)

poza aia e generata intr-un program de simulare, in niciun caz nu e reala


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