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dr_mKe
post 14 Jan 2007, 20:25
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Bosch WR 8 BC+ care merg foarte bine.


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post 14 Jan 2007, 21:51
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QUOTE(ydaniel @ 14 Jan 2007, 20:25)
si cat e un set si mai ales unde se gasesc;)
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cred ca poti sa incerci la ausburg (nu stiu daca am scris corect)


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am inteles deci bujii ngk sau denso dar fise ptr. ele ca doar daca vrem performante trebuiesc si fise tongue.gif


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post 15 Jan 2007, 13:37
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Fise Tesla sau Bosch ambele silicon, eventual Champion

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QUOTE(TYGI @ 15 Jan 2007, 12:59)
am inteles deci bujii ngk sau denso dar fise ptr. ele ca doar daca vrem performante trebuiesc si fise  tongue.gif
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AIci gresiti toti, cu gandirea asta, daca iti pui bujii si fise de calitate, masina va merge cum a fost proiectata, in nici un caz nu faci performanta cu asta !


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post 15 Jan 2007, 14:26
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Multe dacii merg sub performantele fabricii din cauza fiselor,bujiilor de proasta calitate, plus ca din cauza lor amestecul nu arde complet si se incepe a se umbla la carb si de aici reiese o varza totala.


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post 15 Jan 2007, 15:22
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QUOTE(argon @ 15 Jan 2007, 13:42)
AIci gresiti toti, cu gandirea asta, daca iti pui bujii si fise de calitate, masina va merge cum a fost proiectata, in nici un caz nu faci performanta cu asta !
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te grabesti tongue.gif bujiile care le am acum pe masina sunt mai lungi si intra mai mult in camera....(raceri o sa zica ca se comprima motoru si fuge mai tare masina) dar in realitate scanteia este data mai in centrul camerei. si acum se face o discutie in care creste puterea scade consumu ceva extraordinar............


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post 15 Jan 2007, 15:33
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Tocmai ca nu e bina ca scanteia sa fie data in centrul camerei, trebuie sa fie unde e in mod normal, ca sa se aprinda amestecul optim, frontul de amestec aprins, trebuie sa descrie o forma de pana tongue.gif Plus ca trebuie strunjit filetul in plus la bujiile cu filet lung, asta daca ai de gand sa le mai soti vreodata de acolo icon_mrgreen.gif


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sunt de fabrica facute fara filet pana in capat tongue.gif (am studiat problema inainte)
eu zic ca e mai bine in centrul camerei, de cand am pus bujii mai lungi in motor am obs ca merge mai rotund motorul......


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QUOTE(AAlpine1 @ 15 Jan 2007, 15:42)
de cand am pus bujii mai lungi in motor am obs ca merge mai rotund motorul......
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Si cand le-ai scos cu tot cu filetul de pe chiulasa mai mergea rotund? tongue.gif


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post 15 Jan 2007, 16:50
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cu tot cu supape, segmenti, marmote...........


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post 15 Jan 2007, 17:14
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radmasa.gif radmasa.gif radmasa.gif unora pur si simplu le place ca dacia lor sa mearga naspa, ca asa trebuie sa mearga o dacie. Functionarea in parametrii protectati se numeste "inalta performanata" la ei.
Stiu ca-s rau, dar merita respectivii tongue.gif


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post 15 Jan 2007, 17:19
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pilotule, mai faci 4 posts si ma intreci ......... tongue.gif


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post 15 Jan 2007, 18:15
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De acord cu AAlpine1 bujiile lungi (de solenza) dar frezat filetul, dau rezultate f bune pe motoarele de 1400 de Dacie, fapt constat pe mai multe masini, nu stiu explicatia reala.


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post 15 Jan 2007, 19:20
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Chiulasa de Alpine sau cea de Gordini, au bujia pe mijloc.
La injectie singura buba e rezistenta incorporata in bujie, la berlina..... Fara ea pot aparea paraziti in ECU .....
@Alpine, macar la posturi biggrin.gif


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post 16 Jan 2007, 08:01
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vorbeam in principiu de berlina cu motor pe carb nu inj acolo nu am experimentat mult........


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post 16 Jan 2007, 15:07
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eu am gasit intr-un magazin de piese buji - ngk (5 lei bucata blink.gif ) sunt bune ? era o cutie galbena pe care scria "made in japan" a si am mai vazut Champion era 27 de lei setu si fise de bujii am gasit master sunt bune ? excl.gif

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post 16 Jan 2007, 15:59
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Mie nu mi-au placut NGK-urile.


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CHAMPION L87YC am eu. Sunt multumit de ele. Am facut cam 15000 km cu ele fara probleme.La fel si platina, nu am schimbat-o de cand am aprindere GOTRONIC (cam 25000 km). aplauze.gif


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post 18 Jan 2007, 00:05
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sigur o sa se supere unii....cele mai bune bujii pe motorul de dacia sunt SINTEROM...eu de astea am si fise TESLA si pipa delco BOSCH si bobina BOSCH...merge struna nu alta...
m-ar interesa echivalenti ptr. dacia de la alte firme...ngk,denso,champion..etc.....nu de alta dar vreau sa incerc si io poate se face masina avion..... biggrin.gif
PS:cand am zis motor de dacia m-am referit la un motor calumea cu chiulasa in regula(supape care inchid perfect fara joc in ghid si alte alea)......


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post 18 Jan 2007, 11:09
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Exceptie face calitatea bujiei sinterom. Hai sa fim seriosi. Sinterom ...............
Acu spui ca ti se face masin avion daca pui alta marca. Daca spui asta e carcotas si cu asta basta. Carcotas la modul uncool

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post 18 Jan 2007, 16:28
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QUOTE(dr_mKe @ 18 Jan 2007, 11:09)
Acu spui ca ti se face masin avion daca pui alta marca.
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pai mai mult in gluma am zis asta.....ca sa nu mai dau de vreo 10 ori search astept o lista cu echivalenti de bujii compatibile la motoru de 1300 ,sa zicem, ca alea merg bine si la 1400,zic eu, deoarece motoru de 1300 necesita bujii mai calde....


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post 18 Jan 2007, 17:36
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QUOTE(sobolan @ 18 Jan 2007, 16:28)
pai mai mult in gluma am zis asta.....ca sa nu mai dau de vreo 10 ori search astept o lista cu echivalenti de bujii compatibile la motoru de 1300 ,sa zicem, ca alea merg bine si la 1400,zic eu, deoarece motoru de 1300 necesita bujii mai calde....
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... de la tropice ? radmasa.gif radmasa.gif radmasa.gif
unde scrie ca bujiile de 1300 trebuie sa functioneze la temperaturi mai mari ? e o chestie din batrani ?


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post 18 Jan 2007, 18:25
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QUOTE(AAlpine1 @ 18 Jan 2007, 17:36)
... de la tropice ?  radmasa.gif  radmasa.gif  radmasa.gif
unde scrie ca bujiile de 1300 trebuie sa functioneze la temperaturi mai mari ? e o chestie din batrani ?
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mai alpine1 tu ai chef de caterinca....lasa-ne cu de astea.....ma refeream la CIFRA TERMICA una din caracteristicile unei bujii...... cool.gif


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post 18 Jan 2007, 18:49
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asa..... si unde scrie ce zici u sau cine te-a informat lumineazane si pe noi de aceea e forum unu mai face caterinca, unu mai vine cu idei, unu vine cu solutii, altu cu cartea.......

am observat ca, cunosti termeni dar sustine ideea cu ceva scris ......... sau te-ai gandit u ca asa ar fi mai bine pentru motorul de 1300 ?

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QUOTE(AAlpine1 @ 18 Jan 2007, 18:49)
asa..... si unde scrie ce zici u sau cine te-a informat lumineazane si pe noi de aceea e forum unu mai face caterinca, unu mai vine cu idei, unu vine cu solutii, altu cu cartea.......
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pai eu nu faceam caterinca.....acuma mai on-toipc:valoarea termica a bujiei exprima capacitatea bujiei de a transmite caldura de la electrodul central catre exterior....se considera ca o bujie e aleasa bine ptr. un anumit motor atunci cand vf. electrodului central lucreaza intre 500(limita de autocuratire) si 850C(limita de aparitie a aprinderilor premature)...la 1300 se folosesc bujii "reci" 14np18 avand val. termica cam de 225......la asta ma refeream eu cand cautam alte bujii(nu sinterom) dar echivalente cu astea.....la 1400 cu bujii 14np21 ai cifra de 240 parca....


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post 19 Jan 2007, 18:04
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Pt. leo_bem : lasa-ne !
PT alpine1 :mai ai ceva nelamuriri ?


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post 19 Jan 2007, 18:23
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QUOTE(sobolan @ 18 Jan 2007, 18:59)
pai eu nu faceam caterinca.....acuma mai on-toipc:valoarea termica a bujiei exprima capacitatea bujiei de a transmite caldura de la electrodul central catre exterior....se considera ca o bujie e aleasa bine ptr. un anumit motor atunci cand vf. electrodului central lucreaza intre 500(limita de autocuratire) si 850C(limita de aparitie a aprinderilor premature)...la 1300 se folosesc bujii "reci" 14np18 avand val. termica cam de 225......la asta ma refeream eu cand cautam alte bujii(nu sinterom) dar echivalente cu astea.....la 1400 cu bujii 14np21 ai cifra de 240 parca....
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scrie asta undeva ?
si ma rog de ce difera cifra intre 1.3 si 1.4 ?
nelamuriri : la 1.6 difera si acolo tipul de bujie ?
multumesc ca mai lamurit cu tipul de bujii nu stiam asta radmasa.gif
p.s. - daca ai un motor aspirat care urca mult in ture ce bujii folosesti reci sau calde ??
- daca ai un motor turbo si ii dai presiune mai mare ce bujii folosesti reci sau calde ??


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post 19 Jan 2007, 18:35
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1. asta scrie in capul meu
2.ti-am scris mai sus
3.la 1600 cc sinterom recomanda tot 14np21 ca la 1400cc
4.dar daca eu am un motor turbo diesel cu injectie multipunct sau monopunct ? radmasa.gif mai am nevoie de bujii? blink.gif

ps: mai alpine1 tu vrei sa ma testezi ?

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