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einstein1984
post 27 Mar 2025, 13:05
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QUOTE(meg2s @ 27 Mar 2025, 12:51)
E greu/fortat sa le consideri concurente pe cele doua... ca plasare in segment, volume utile, pret si safety...  (diferenta considerabila la volume utile!)
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au aceleasi dimensiuni exterioare , sunt in acelasi segment.

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post 27 Mar 2025, 13:09
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Va place Bigsterul? Ati alege in detrimentul echivalentului de la Renault?
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post 27 Mar 2025, 13:13
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A inceput testarea pietii la bigster....sa vada daca dau reduceri ca la dusterul nou


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post 27 Mar 2025, 13:30
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QUOTE(einstein1984 @ 27 Mar 2025, 13:05)
au aceleasi dimensiuni exterioare , sunt in acelasi segment.
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Putem dezbate asta la infinit daca vrei... dar nu merita!
Producatorii introduc in oferta modele cu diferente de 5-7cm in lungime si 2-4cm in ampatament si se lauda ca alea nu se concureaza intre ele... sunt destule exemple in piata de la diverse branduri.
In cazul de fata, la 6cm diferenta de lungime, ai 115 l in plus in portbagaj si chiar 400 l in plus cu banchetele jos -> convinge tu cumparatorul ca sunt in acelasi segment.


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post 27 Mar 2025, 13:35
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Fiecare producator isi alege , la aceleasi dimensiuni, prioritatile..mai mult portbagaj si mai putin loc la picioare in spate..portabaj mai mic dar mai mult loc..altii prefera bancheta cu sezut si spatar mai gros in detrimentul locului la picioare..sunt atatea decizii de luat
Cumparatorul trebuie convins la TD, preferabil facute in aceeasi zi cu toate masinile din lista de dorinte,

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post 27 Mar 2025, 13:41
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QUOTE(IRONICK @ 27 Mar 2025, 14:09)
Intrebarea asta pusa la caterinca.
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QUOTE(wolfin @ 27 Mar 2025, 14:13)
A inceput testarea pietii la bigster....sa vada daca dau reduceri ca la dusterul nou
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post 27 Mar 2025, 13:46
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Din moment ce masina nu o schimb anual.. ci la 4-5 ani..
Analfabetismul functional domina din pacate si nu se pot crea niste discutii constructive
Va rog ramanem on topic ..chit ca aceasta discutie se poate muta la bigster vs concurenta

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post 27 Mar 2025, 13:49
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Ești boier cu schimbatul mașinii la 4-5 ani. Cam tot atât le ia producătorilor să schimbe o generație sau să facă alt model bazat pe o platformă deja existentă.

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post 27 Mar 2025, 13:52
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Corect, si eu Stiam ca model complet nou dureaza cam 4 ani dupa care cam 2 ani facelift
Si da prefer sa schimb masina cat timp mai este in garantie sau aproape de final

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post 27 Mar 2025, 13:54
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@meg2s Sigur ca nu merita, pentru ca te inseli.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C-segment
The European segments are not based on size or weight criteria.[1][6] In practice, C-segment cars have been described as having a length of approximately 4.5 metres (15 ft).[7][8] As of 2021 C-segment category sizes span from approximately 4.2m to 4.6m.
desigur, in functie de pret exista segment C inferior si segment C superior, cu alde mercedes si audi la pret dublu fata de bigster dar cu dimensiuni similare.


Segmentarea pietei e decisa de jurnalisti mai mult, nu de constructori.

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post 27 Mar 2025, 13:58
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Intrebare : dar aceste categorii sunt actualizate cu timpul? Pentru ca de ex masinile devin mai mari, un X3 2025 este cat prima generatie de X5..x3 este in acelasi segment cu x5 sau si-au actualizat segmentele o data cu trecerea timpului?!
Un vw polo 2025 este cat un golf 3 and so on..ma gandesc ca si segmentele trebuie sa isi actualizeze criteriile

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post 27 Mar 2025, 14:36
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Masinile au tot crescut in dimensiuni, nu si locurile de parcare.
Ce ma deranjeaza pe mine la o masina de 30k euro e faptul ca o coiesc in continuare cu blocuri optice mixte cu halogen, doar ca sa lase loc sa le scoata la facelift. Masina arata absolut ingrozitor cu ele.


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post 27 Mar 2025, 15:14
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QUOTE(einstein1984 @ 27 Mar 2025, 13:54)
Segmentarea pietei e decisa de jurnalisti mai mult, nu de constructori.
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Inteleg ca nu vrei/nu-ti place sa citesti ce-am scris...
Nu ma interesa cum face segmentarea jurnalistul/constructorul/etc. si nici in ce segment considera ei ca se incadreaza. Asa cum am scris (credeam ca suficient de clar mai sus), ziceam "convige-l pe cumparator" ca sunt in aceeasi clasa, atata timp cat la volumul maxim ai o diferenta de 400 litri - crestere de aproape 30% daca raportezi Bigster la Austral.
Eu n-am vazut cumparator sa iasa-n oras zicand "azi ma duc sa-mi iau masina de segment C"; se duce si se uita la forme, dimensiuni, briz-brizuri, tehnica (daca se pricepe) - fiecare cu ale lui criterii.


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post 27 Mar 2025, 15:46
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Cumparatorul nu prea mai are un cuvant de spus, mai ales ca in majoritatea cazurilor europenii nu isi mai permit sa cumpere masinile ci le iau intr-un sistem de inchiriere pe timp scurt cu o rata pe care sa si-o permita.

Ce masini noi se ofera catre vanzare devine o afacere care se transeaza intre legiuitor, marii producatori, firmele de inchiriat masini / firmele de leasing.

Intorcandu-ne la Bigster, multumita maestrului Adam, iata un clip graitor care raspunde la foarte multe potentiale intrebari.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pjsZaqH-Ygg


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QUOTE(miki @ 27 Mar 2025, 13:41)
I-au trebuit 4 ani sa scrie ceva p-aici
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Eu tot imi rezerv aia 2 centi.


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post 27 Mar 2025, 20:55
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O fi votant de-a Georgescu, cine știe. My2cents

27 Mar 2025, 20:56:
Da unu n atinbagat de seamă că Georgescu asta a fost lansat odata cu bigstetul

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post 28 Mar 2025, 09:29
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QUOTE(axabrt @ 27 Mar 2025, 20:55)
Georgescu asta a fost lansat odata cu bigstetul
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Asa de extremista sa fie masina? Oare tableta e in rusa? Macar iti da si un kil de votca Putinskaya la achizitie?

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post 28 Mar 2025, 09:30
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tableta nu functioneaza.


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interesant e ca la versiunea 4x4 la puntea spate se vede niste bare care ma face sa cred ca are un fel de suspensie independenta
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Oare si la duster o fi la fel ??


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nici acum puntea spate nu este prinsa cu bucse de caroserie


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post 28 Mar 2025, 12:30
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Niste bucșe trebuie să aibă. Până și Dacia papuc avea

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Pai si nu este bine sa aiba suspensie independenta multi link?!
T-roc/tcross/taigo nu au asa ceva am impresia


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Este chiar foarte bine, dar adusa la zi. Ca pentru o masina de 30k Euro.

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E alt sistem de 4x4 decat cel de pe Duster ?


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Nope.


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No singura mașină noo pe care mai poți să o iei cu 26 de mii cu 4x4 e sangyong kornado.
Acuma haabr n am cum a prinsa suspensia la sangyong da cred că e mai bine decât la Duster
Ar mai fi și niște chinezii MG dar acolo iara habar nu am. Cred că nu au independent pe spate


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Bigster e cea mai buna pana in 40k


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In configurator pentru varianta de top 4x4 poti opta pt suspensia pe aer contra 2320 euro

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