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Following GM’s board decision, Renault communicates As previously stated, the boards of Renault and Nissan have both agreed to begin exploratory talks with GM. Following GM’s board decision, we look forward to starting the discussion process soon. PARIS, JULY 7, 2006 sursa: renault.com

Following GM’s board decision, Renault communicates

As previously stated, the boards of Renault and Nissan have both agreed to begin exploratory talks with GM.
Following GM’s board decision, we look forward to starting the discussion process soon.
PARIS, JULY 7, 2006

sursa: renault.com

Fitch Ratings: Nissan va face fata cu greu unui nou proiect care ar implica o alinata cu GM!

Devine din ce in ce mai interesant subiectul...

General Motors pare din ce in ce mai hotarat sa realizeze alianta cu Reno.

Tocmai au anuntat ca vor inchide fabrica pe care o au in Portugalia in decembrie, cu toate ca prevederile contractuale stipulau expirarea acordului in 2008.

Mia multe aici!

General Motors pare din ce in ce mai hotarat sa realizeze alianta cu Reno.

Cred şi eu că vor....
Şi mie mi-ar plăcea să mă scoată alţii din rahat...

Iar Renault o sa ajunga al-3-lea producator mondial . . si nu o sa aiba de pierdut ..

This post has been edited by IRONICK: 13 Jul 2006, 15:30

reno e implicat intr-un program de restructurari care-l solicita financiar , pana in 2009 parca vor sa lanseze nus cate modele noi ,si asta iar costa , investitia pe care ar urma sa o faca in GM iar e importanta , sa vedem daac au intradevar bani astia , si mai e aici o intrebare , daca nu le merge, daca GM tot se duce dracu , nu cumva iar putea tara si pe ei dupa el?!?
( cam pt toate motivele astea , ministru economiei din fr se opune , nu mai stiu sursa , daca mansel , va rog...)

cate marci detine GM
ca eu stiu doar de Opel, CHEVROLET si SUZUKI
ce mai au astia ?

in proportii mai mici sau mai mari: buick,gmc, cadillac, pontiac , holden, vauxhall si or mai fi..

Pentru un raspuns mai complet uite un link:

http://www.gm.com/automotive/vehicle_shopping/gm_mobility/

Undeva prin dreapta sus scrie: GM Brand Web Sites. Cauta pe acolo si cred ca in 2 zile termini de vazut tot.
Mai are HUMMER si ACDelco. Iti spun ceva numele astea???

RENAULT, NISSAN AND GENERAL MOTORS JOINT STATEMENT

General Motors, Renault and Nissan today said that an exploratory discussion was held between Carlos Ghosn, President and Chief Executive Officer of Renault, SAS and Nissan Motor Co., Ltd., and Rick Wagoner, Chairman and Chief Executive Officer of General Motors, Corp., regarding the possibility of creating an industrial alliance among these three companies. The companies agreed to cooperate in an expeditious, confidential review of the potential benefits of such an alliance to each company and the feasibility of achieving them.
“We had a good discussion today, and are looking forward to having our teams work together to explore our ideas,” said Wagoner and Ghosn. “It is important to let our teams work on this review without distraction and, therefore, we will not be providing further public comments about it at this time.” It is expected that this review will take approximately 90 days. Following this review, the companies will consider whether further exploration of the alliance concept is warranted.
DETROIT, JULY 14, 2006

sursa: renault.com

Eeee... Treaba se complica.
Se pare ca si domnii de la Toyota ar fi interesati de niste joint-ventures cu GM-ul ca sa puna bete in roate unei alinate cu Nissanul si Renault-ul

Toyota may be considering foiling Renault-Nissan by making a surprise move to hook up with GM
Could Renault and Nissan have a competitor in their effort to form an alliance with General Motors? Top executives at Toyota Motor are mulling their own overture to GM to head off rival Nissan from forging an alliance that could help the Japanese-French car company, according to people with knowledge of the Japanese auto maker's plans.

General Motors' (GM) Chairman and CEO G. Richard Wagoner Jr. met with Carlos Ghosn, chief executive of Nissan (NSANY) and Renault, in Detroit on Friday, July 14, to discuss how the three auto companies might pursue an alliance.

Both companies issued a joint statement saying they will take about 90 days to explore potential benefits of an alliance.

If Wagoner decides to move ahead, GM and Renault-Nissan could join together in an alliance that would give Ghosn's company a 20% stake in GM. The allied companies could then share engines, platforms, and other parts. If Wagoner doesn't want to sell Renault an equity stake, the three auto giants could just form some joint ventures and still combine their engineering capabilities.

BACKLASH FEARS.  Sources close to Toyota ™ say the company is considering its options and looking at different opportunities that they could propose to GM. ""Toyota has no interest in seeing an alliance like this [linking Renault, Nissan and GM] take place," said an executive who asked not to be identified.

One Toyota source says the company has "war-gamed" a way to assist GM. Despite Toyota's juggernaut-like growth, which has resulted in the company increasing its U.S. market share from 9.3% in 2000 to 14.6% today and earning in excess of $10 billion a year the past three years, the company fears the kind of social and political backlash that could come if General Motors falls apart.

Whether Toyota actually makes a bid remains to be seen. Several GM executives have said the company has heard nothing from the Japanese auto maker. And Toyota spokesman Steven Curtis said any talk of an offer from the company is "pure speculation."

WASHINGTON TESTIMONY.  One source familiar with Toyota's strategy said that an equity tie-up like the one GM investor Kirk Kerkorian has proposed between GM and Renault-Nissan would be unlikely. "It's not in their culture," he said.

General Motors and Toyota have long worked together, albeit in a limited way. The two jointly operate an assembly plant in Freemont, Calif., where the Toyota Corolla, Matrix, and Tacoma pickup are assembled under the same roof as the Pontiac Vibe.

Wagoner was in Washington D.C. on July 13 testifying before Congress about health-care policy. In a gathering of reporters, he hinted that a deal with another auto maker besides Renault-Nissan was possible, according to Automotive News. "Could other things arise?" he said to Automotive News. "Sure, they could happen any time, but nothing else I can talk to you about today." Wagoner also said that a possible, even desirable, outcome could be no deal at all.

Toyota's interest in GM could make for a desirable solution for the GM chairman. GM executives see the Renault-Nissan alliance as a play by Kerkorian—GM's fourth-largest shareholder, with 10% of the stock—to get Carlos Ghosn into the driver's seat at GM.

DUBIOUS SYNERGIES.  That's one reason executives have been skeptical about a tie-up with Renault-Nissan. Other executives have said that they aren't sure the synergies would really be worth selling 20% of the company. Nor would they solve some of GM's long-term issues, such as rising health-care costs, falling market share, and the company's battle to buoy sport-utility vehicle profits while gasoline prices rise.

Still, even if GM and Renault-Nissan strike some kind of alliance, Ghosn may not be seeking to replace Wagoner. In an interview on Capitol Hill on July 13 Ghosn told Bloomberg "I don't need it," in reference to the top job at GM.

Given the companies' history, it is possible that Toyota could make GM an offer of expanding joint ventures, and even sharing technology and vehicle development, without buying an equity stake. While other auto makers have merged or struck alliances that involve equity swaps, Toyota has steered clear of such deals. GM, meanwhile, has recently been unwinding several mostly unsuccessful joint ventures it struck with Fiat (FIA), Suzuki, Isuzu, and Fuji Heavy Industries.

Discussions of an alliance with Nissan-Renault were sparked by Kerkorian's Tracinda and its GM board representative Jerome B. York. Tracinda has been trying to pressure Wagoner to move faster in restructuring the auto maker. The billionaire's company publicly announced on June 30 that the Japanese-French auto maker was interested in pursuing alliance talks.

Wagoner then formed an internal committee to study the merits of the proposal.

If Toyota is serious, Wagoner will have another one to study pretty soon.

Si varianta in limba romana legata de Toyota.....

Constructorul de automobile Toyota, numarul doi mondial, a avansat o propunere de alianta catre General Motors, cel mai mare producator auto, pentru a contracara un eventual trio intre GM si Renault-Nissan.

Daca s-a urnit Toyota la auzul posibilei aliante Renault-Nissan-GM ... treaba e cam clara.

1. GM ar beneficia de pe urma unei infuzii de tehnologie de la euro-japonezi si ar avea o sansa in a-i contracara pe Toyota.
2. La asta se adauga si banii care apar din vanzarea a 20% din actiuni.
3. Cum GM are ceva jucarele si prin Europa ar fi o treaba buna cumva si pentru Renault ca ar exista posibilitatea armonizarii gamelor de produse in asa fel incat sa concureze intr-un mod mai redus (vezi demontatul fabricii din Spania) lucru care nu stiu daca e asa de bun. Concurenta intotdeauna a avantajat clientul.
4. Iar Nissan si-ar consolida pozitia in SUA fapt care deranjeaza pe Toyota.

Cred ca toata chestia asta va creste mai degraba eficienta fiecarei firme la capitolul profit/cheltuieli si va limita conflictul de interese dintre cei 3 participanti.
Prevad o relansare a GM-ului in SUA. Sub managementul lui Ghosn aia 20% pot creste frumusel. E mai convenabil din punctul de vedere al relatiilor dintre firmele din alianta sa ai actiuni la cealalta firma decat sa incerci sa-ti lansezi produsele tale pe o piata noua si sa concurezi cu aliatul tau.

This post has been edited by DigitalScribe: 20 Jul 2006, 15:26

afirmatie:fabrica din Croaiova a fostului concern Daewoo inca se numeste RODAE si nu a fost achizitionata de catre GM asa ca din Romania nu au ce cumpara ....simplu...
(asta in cazul in care in acest topic se afla in discutie de fabricuta noastra din oltenia)

Dar oricum fiecare are orgoliul lui viz avi de marca de masina pe care o detine ,asa ca, ...continuam...

Adevarul e ca, de ceva timp incoace, GM este pe o panta descendenta. Iar Toyota sta la panda pentru a le lua locul in top. GM s-au ars o data cu FIAT cand au facut acea intelegere (FIAT avea 5% din GM iar GM avea 20 % din FIAT (fara a include Ferrari si Maserati)). GM s-au folosit de motoarele JTDm al celor de la FIAT, dar, avand in vedere ca contractul a fost rupt inainte, GM au platit o suma foarte mare italienilor (nu mai stiu exact, era vorba de 200.000.000 dolari sau 2.000.000.000 dolari).
Cineva spunea mai sus ca masinile GM sunt de o slaba calitate. Aceasta este si parerea mea. Parerea e formulata in urma a ceea ce am citit si am discutat cu diversi pasionati auto. Au inchis chiar si uzina Oldsmobile. Celebra marca era una din gaurile negre ale grupului GM. Unii spun ca de vina era calitatea slaba a fabricatiei, marca nu vindea iar GM nu a avut bani sa o restructureze si sa o revigoreze.
Parerea mea este ca o alianta Renault-Nissan - GM, daca se va face, nu va dura mult. Cred ca pentru Renault-Nissan ar fi un pas inapoi. Nissan este implicat pe piata americana foarte adanc (nu mai zic de piata asiatica), iar Renault in Europa si (presupun) America de Sud o duce foarte bine. De aceea nu cred ca Renault-Nissan se va lega la cap cu o alianta. Poate doar o colaborare cu americanii...

ZaiR, ai greşit şi topicul, nu numai forumul!

GM are probleme de marketing si management, nu de calitate. Si Renault e specialist in marketing. Alianta ar putea avea succes.

PS: Fabrica de la Craiova se numeste DWAR (DAR) nu RODAE.

in america, fii sigur ca au si probleme de calitate si probleme de fiabilitate, mai ales daca le compari cu concurenta : toyota, nissan,honda, care de multe ori ofera mai multe la aceiasi bani, interior mai bun, tehnologii mai multe..

si vine renault si rezolva si problema calitatii (fiabilitatii) si p-a a managementului
mai ales la partea de fiabilitate stau super astia de la renault. sa nu mai zic ca au neste preturi mici la piese, ca mai bine le-ar da moca

Nu stiu ce parere aveti voi despre calitatea GM, insa dupa parerea mea umila, masinile opel sunt mai scumpe ca solutii decat masinile Renault. Si vorbesc de solutii tehnice, de la traverse de bord, suspensii, circuite electrice si pana pe la motoare.
Din punct de vedere ingineristic, parerea mea este ca masinile Opel sunt mai calitative decat cele Renault. Inclusiv si fata de noul clio 3.
De fapt cred ca acolo este problema lor: fac niste masini mai scumpe decat renault-ul si le vand mai ieftin.

O parte din productia GM din SUA ar putea fi preluata de Nissan

"O investiţie de capital la GM nu va reprezenta conditia principala a unei alianţe. Aceasta ipoteza nu a fost dezbatuta cu echipa GM, si cred ca este prematur sa o discutam", a declarat Ghosn. Ghosn a sugerat totodată că Nissan ar putea prelua o parte din capacitatea de producţie în exces la care GM intenţionează să renunţe, din America de Nord.


Sursa

Intrebare de baraj.
Daca s-ar finaliza aceasta alianta, credeti ca masinile Renault vor tinde spre Opel sau va fi invers? Asta referitor la ce a zis Klaus si..... din pacate oricât ati zice voi cam are dreptate.Poate cu diselele nu stau prea bine si poate in general motoarele sunt putin mai slabe ca performante (cca. 7%), dar in rest e cum zice Klaus.

This post has been edited by paulica: 28 Jul 2006, 20:22

Din cate masini am cunoscut eu am o parere generala ca masini;e Opel sunt mai slabe decat Renault.
Masinile Renault au motoare fiabile si in general Reno nu ridica probleme.
Opelurile sunt masini stricacioase atat la motoare cat si la celelalte componente.
Opelurile dupa parerea mea sunt cele mai proaste masini din Europa de Vest.
Parerea asta o am dupa ce am vazut la masinile cunoscutilor. La toti Opelurile s-au stricat mai repede decat cei cu alte marci de masini.
S-ar putea sa am o parere eronata, dar asta e parerea pe care mi-am facut-o de-a lungul anilor: si anume ca Opelurile-s masini slabe.

Nu stiu de ce vorbiti atata despre masini si nu si despre logistica din spate: service-uri, componente comune, etc... sunt foarte multe de castigat dintr-o astfel de standardizare. La noi spre exemplu Renault (si evident si Dacia) e incetatenit asa ca daca Opel spre exemplu ar adera la motoarele Renault si ar ajunge sa aiba platforma comuna sigur ar avea de castigat la capitolul vanzari. Lucrul asta il vad acum la noi la Nissan care se prezinta si se cumpara mai bine de cand cu alianta.

Cat despre ce zice Klaus, da, are dreptate insa sa faci masini competente doar de dragul de a le face competente nu e o afacere. Renault poate adopta pe partea de caroserie si pe alte domenii solutii mai simple insa se vinde. E vorba cred si de a oferi solutia corecta pentru nevoile fiecarui consumator. Un exemlpu este Loganul, Clio... Lumea cumpara masinile si din cauza pretului nu doar a dotarilor, calitatii, exigentelor.

Gata... hai ca am plecat sa vad calificarile de la Formula 1

@gdm: O masina nemteasca ramâne masina nemteasca.
P.S. Poate daca ai ceva impotriva Trabantului

@klaus

S-ar putea traduce altfel toata chestia asta? Adica... chiar daca in aparenta Opelul e putin mai scump decit Renault-ul, ai un raport pret-calitate mai bun la Opel decit la Renault? Sau primesti "mai multa masina" (nu e vorba de volumul masinii, ci de calitatea ei) de relativ aceiasi bani?
Sint intrebari, nu afirmatii. (Asta e precizare pentru fanii Reno mai infocati.)
Sint cam OFF, deci nu ma supar de un eventual 10%.

Sa vedem ce se mai intampla...

Constructorul auto francez Renault va selecta doua banci de investitii care sa ofere servicii de consultanta privind un eventual parteneriat cu grupul american General Motors (GM), a anunţat compania, confirmand informatiile existente in presa.

Mai multe aici!

Miscare-soc pe piata auto - se pare ca nemtii de la Daimler-Chrysler vor sa contracareze alianta GM-Renault: link :

Renault este in discutii cu GM pentru o eventuala alianta, iar Ghosn a declarat ieri ca daca nu iese nimic se poate sa se alieze cu Ford. Asa ca pana la urma, tot Renault se poate sa ajunga sa controleze fabrica de la Craiova, spre disperarea unor oameni de pe aici.

Renault, Nissan and GM terminate Alliance Discussions

General Motors, Renault and Nissan said today that they had agreed to terminate discussions regarding a proposed alliance among the three companies.
The parties mutually recognized that significant aggregate synergies might result from the alliance. However the parties did not agree on either the total amount of aggregate synergies or the distribution of those benefits.
Based on its conclusions, GM had proposed that Renault-Nissan provide compensation as part of a potential alliance and for potentially precluding GM
from entering other alliance opportunities if Renault-Nissan had made a significant investment in GM.
Renault and Nissan consider that the principle of compensation is contrary to the spirit of any successful alliance.

BOULOGNE, TOKYO, DETROIT, October 4th, 2006

sursa: renault.ro