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post 22 Mar 2007, 09:45
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mai nou nea vladescu, taricel si sleahta lor vor sa puna taxa la orice noua inmatriculare. fara sa mai conteze daca masina e sh din afara sau din tara.


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post 22 Mar 2007, 10:00
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Pai daca baga taxa la si la masinile inmatriculate deja nu o sa-si mai vanda nimeni masina. O sa stam cu 3-4 masini pe numele nostru si o sa plateasca proprietarul toate darile la stat. Asta daca ai incredere in proprietar si el in tine, ca poti sa o radiezi repede daca face figuri. Eu cred insa ca atunci cade guvernul ca iese scandal mare.


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post 22 Mar 2007, 10:18
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QUOTE(denisCT @ 21 Mar 2007, 21:35)
@ssilvviu: Si Romania nu face parte mai nou din UE?

Din cate am inteles cand a venit din Turcia a fost platita vama si nu mai trebuie platit si altceva. Alte detalii nu am.
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Cand a venit masina din turcia i s-a stabilit o taxa vamala dar pentru ca tot UE are relatii comerciale preferentiale cu Turcia s-a platit doar TVA-ul aferent taxei vamale nu si taxa vamala.
Dar nu inteleg ce legatura are prima inmatriculare cu taxele vamale.


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post 22 Mar 2007, 11:52
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Prima etapa din infringement procedures s-a declansat.



Brussels, 21 March 2007

Car taxation: infringement procedures against Malta and Romania
The Commission has decided to send to Romania and Malta formal requests to amend their car registration tax rules which discriminate against second-hand car brought from other Member States into these countries. The requests take the form of "letter of formal notice", the first stage of the infringement procedure laid down in Article 226 of the EC Treaty. If the Commission does not receive satisfactory responses from these Member States within two months, it may proceed with the second stage of the said procedure and ultimately bring the cases before the Court of Justice.
The European Court of Justice (ECJ) has consistently held that a Member State is not prohibited from levying registration taxes on second-hand imported cars provided that the tax is in conformity with Article 90 of the EC Treaty. This means that a Member State must not impose any internal taxation on the products of other Member States of a kind in excess of that imposed on similar domestic products.

The Court also decided that registration tax paid on a new vehicle forms a part of its market value and that Member States must take actual car's depreciation value into account when calculating registration tax. (see ECJ cases Nunes Tadeu, C-345/93; Commission v Denmark, C-47/88; and Commission v Hellenic Republic, C-375/95)

Following example illustrates these rules: registration tax on a x years old car imported in one Member State cannot exceed the amount of duty included in the residual value of a similar used vehicle registered x years ago in that Member State.

Similar infringement procedures regarding discriminatory car taxation had been opened against Cyprus, Poland and Hungary upon their entry to the EU. The ECJ has recently declared Polish and Hungarian tax systems incompatible with Article 90 of the EC Treaty, thus, providing the taxpayers with means to claim before national courts the reimbursement of tax amounts illegally collected.

Romania

Despite intensive discussions with the Romanians authorities, the Commission still considers that Romanian car tax legislation does not comply with the EC Treaty.

Under the Romanian legislation, the tax due on used motor vehicles is not abated in line with the actual depreciation of similar cars already registered on the domestic market. On the contrary, the tax amount is increased on the basis of the age of the cars alone. Given that the Romanian car registration tax is levied only when the vehicle enters the Romanian market, the cars most heavily taxed are, by default, imported second-hand cars, including those from other Member States. In the Commission's opinion, such tax application modalities are contrary to Article 90, as interpreted by the ECJ.

The Commission also believes that the contested Romanian tax system fails to address environmental concerns. The age factor alone fails to accurately reflect environmental performance of different motor vehicles and it exclusively increases the tax due on used motor vehicles coming from other Member States.

Under Community law, Member States may encourage behaviour conductive to greater protection of the environment. However, the criteria applied to that effect must be objective and pertinent to avoid any discrimination against goods coming from other Member States. The Romanian legislation on car registration tax fails to meet the standard of complete neutrality and, thus, must be changed to comply with EC Treaty.

Malta

The Maltese car registration tax system has discriminatory effect with respect to motor vehicles coming from the other Member States. In Malta, the tax rate, which depends on the vehicles' engine capacity, is the same for new and used cars. The rate is applied on the vehicle's value, which is determined by the Maltese authorities. However, differently from new motor vehicles, there is a minimum amount of tax fixed only for used cars. Even if the application of the corresponding tax rate to the taxable value determined by the authorities results in a smaller amount than the fixed minimum the latter prevails. The application of the minimum tax cannot guarantee that the tax applied on second-hand vehicles coming from other Member States will not exceed the residual tax incorporated in the value of similar vehicles already registered in Malta, as required by the ECJ.

An additional aspect is the lack of transparency of the administrative procedure which is used to determine the taxable value of motor vehicles. The ECJ has ruled in Case C-393/98 (Gomes Valente) that the criteria on the basis of which the taxable value is determined have to be brought to the knowledge of the public.

The Commission further contests the lack of possibility for the taxpayer to challenge the correctness of the tax due where he believes that the assessed amount of the tax does not correctly reflect motor vehicle's actual depreciation. Commission's reference numbers are 2007/2001 (Romania) and 2005/4534 (Malta)

For information on EU activities in the field of car taxation see:

http://ec.europa.eu/taxation_customs/taxat...ar/index_en.htm

For the press releases issued on infringement procedures in the taxation or customs area see:

http://ec.europa.eu/taxation_customs/commo...es/index_en.htm

For the latest general information on infringement measures against Member States see:

http://ec.europa.eu/community_law/eulaw/index_en.htm

















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post 22 Mar 2007, 12:50
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Din ciclul "Calin nebunu"
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post 22 Mar 2007, 17:01
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Radiografia taxei de inmatriculare ar fi urmatoarea: in principiu este vorba de 3 tabere, cu interese diferite:
Prima ar fi UE, la nivelu carora cresterea vanzarilor de automobile second hand inseamna cresterea vanzarilor de automobile noi (care aduc venituri, salarii si taxe)
A doua ar fi grupurile de interese care conduc guvernul, si care nu au nimic de castigat din liberarizarea importurilor de masini SH. Uitati-va ca anul asta vanzarile de automobile noi au crescut cu 16% (daca nu ma insel), bani care au intrat punctual in anumite buzunare.
A treia tabara sunt fraierii care i-au votat pe cei ce au dat legea si care tolereaza asta.

Si cred ca ar mai trebui mentionate treiaspecte:
1. Taxa nu va putea fi pastrata la infinit, dar fiecare zi de aplicare a ei aduce $$$ in buzunarele cui o sustine, asa ca va fi o lupta crancena pentru desfiintarea ei.
2. Este posibil ca taxele incasate sa fie restituite, dar asta nu este o problema pentru guvernul actual. Spun aceasta fiindca pana Romania va fi silita sa returneze acesti bani se va schimba guvernul.
3. Si nu in ultimul rand, banii acestia vor fi dati tot de contribuabili, asa ca nu este motiv de grija pentru guvernanti.

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post 22 Mar 2007, 18:20
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Pun pariu ca in campania partidelor din opozitie o sa apara si punctul "Desfiintarea taxei de prima inmatriculare"

Foarte bine punctat cg_ivan


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post 22 Mar 2007, 18:43
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a aparut deja acest punct cu "desfiintarea taxei pe prostie".....PLD, partidul lui Stolojan deja a categorisit aceasta taxa ca fiind citez "ABERANTA"


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post 22 Mar 2007, 19:07
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tariceanu lu peste daca are firma de import auto sa gandit si sustine legea asta ca sa ii mearga lui bine afacerile


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post 22 Mar 2007, 19:17
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Daca a fost uns unde trebuie si cu cat trebuie va dati seama ca Vladescu nu o sa dea inapoi indiferent de reprercursiuni, nu ???

Repercursiuni pe care tot noi pleaba o sa le suportam, din buzunarele noastre toate.

Eu unul chiar ma asteptam la mai multe din partea alesilor nostri din 2004. mad.gif


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post 23 Mar 2007, 00:36
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Se abereaza cu legatura dintre taxa si profiturile Citroen (banii lui Tariceanu). Au in Romania niste vanzari foarte mici, ca sa putem spune ca traiesc din taxa asta, mai ales cand grosul vanzarilor sunt la masini sub 1600cmc. mai cititi pe www.apia.ro.

Guvernul se va opune eliminarii taxei de inmatriculare, dar nu o va face pana in panzele albe. Vor schimba taxa, dar inca nici ei nu stiu cum va arata...


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post 23 Mar 2007, 08:59
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Vanzarile Citroen in Romania sunt mici. Dar vanzarile Apia sunt mari.
In 2006 au avut vanzari de 3,5 miliarde de Euro. Se merge cu adaos de 10%.
Rezulta un profit APIA de 350 milioane de Euro pe an.
Rezulta ca in fiecare zi ce trece cu taxa in vigoare, in teschereaua mafiei APIA intra cam 1 milion de Euro profit, deci au de unde "unge".
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post 23 Mar 2007, 09:15
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QUOTE(AlexC @ 20 Mar 2007, 12:52)
Guvernul va trage de timp cat se poate de mult, ca sa evite inmatricualrea de masini vechi. Cu cat dureaza mai mult, cu atat scade interesul pentru masini vechi, odata cu cresterea veniturilor populatiei.
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Ma indoiesc ca in 2-3 ani voi avea 5000 de euro salariu minim, la fel ca majoritatea populatiei.
Si vad ca SH-urile se cumpara si in afara, nici acolo n-au toti bani de masina noua. Diferenta e ca, unul care isi cumpara un SH o face din economiile rezultate datorita faptului ca s-a lasat de fumat, nu sta sa faca credite la banci.


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QUOTE(eugeniuz2004 @ 20 Mar 2007, 21:21)
Am mai spus e bine sa fie limitari pentru inmatricularea de harburi de 250 E din vest (ca alea numai masini nu se pot numi) dar ma gandesc ca guvernoi va plati si amenzi si orice (din buget evident deci de la toti) numai sa nu renunte la o taxa a carei valoare spun unii nu se mai stie care parlamentar(i) a (au) marit-o la o valoare jenanta asa cum e ea astazi! ăentru ca de la propunatorii actiului normativ cica valoarea era sensibil mai mica.
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Iti spun eu ca multe harburi din aleza de 250 euro sunt mai bune si ma sigure ca si Solenza ta...da si tu o geana pe mobile.de sa vezi..


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post 23 Mar 2007, 09:32
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Nu se abereaza deloc. Atunci cand esti prim-ministru si detii o firma nu pui taxe care sa iti bage tie in buzunarul personal nici macar un leu. Daca te tine, desigur. Evident, devine din ce in ce mai clar faptul ca Calin nu a ajuns in pozitia pe care o detine dand dovada de vreo inteligenta din aia iesita din comun ci puternic sprijinit de niste "baeti" si incepe sa se vada cam cine sunt aia.
Imi venea sa rad de baselu' cand o tinea pe-alui cu grupurile de interese, dar incep sa ma conving ca stie el ceva...

In plus, mi se pare de-a dreptul ciudat ca o taxa menita sa redea Romaniei prospetimea de odinioara este sprijinita de ministrul de finante, in timp ce aia de la mediu doar da din cap din cand in cand zicand ca ea nu stie nimic.

Evident, nu o sa se intample nimic. Dupa cum zicea un intelept, mamaliga nu explodeaza asa ca o sa bagam botul in pamant si o sa rezistam asa cum mai facut-o de atatea si-atatea ori in istorie.

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post 23 Mar 2007, 12:31
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Sulfina Barbu a recunoscut ca nu e vorba de o taxa de mediu.
Sunt curios ce-o sa declare acum tari&vladi.

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post 23 Mar 2007, 12:34
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da si tu un link sa vedem ce dclaratii face sul...fina


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post 23 Mar 2007, 12:37
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Normal ca taxa nu e una de mediu. E taxa de prima inmatriculare. radmasa.gif

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Linkul e integrat in textul mesajului.

@ssilviu
Taxa de inmatriculare care avea ca destinatie declarata protectia mediului.

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post 23 Mar 2007, 16:00
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Tocmai postasem ceva.

De ce a fost sters ???

Adica in post am spus ca este posibil sa o dea afara si pe madam Sulfina, cum au facut si cu Bodu cand a zis ca nu prea e ok taxa respectiva.


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post 23 Mar 2007, 16:54
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Se pare ca in cazul pe care vi l-am relatat mai sus a fost o greseala a celor de la Slobozia. Am fost azi in Constanta si am vorbit cu seful de la inmatriculari, care a sunat la Slobozia sa verifice, si acolo era cum stiam si eu, adica nu se percepea taxa speciala. A ramas ca vor plati si cei de acolo.


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O s-o mai taraganeze cu taxa asta mult si bine doar e in folosul motociclistului si a acolitilor lui.Daca maine s-ar scoate taxa,ar intra in tara zeci demii de masini SH din restul europei,masini inca foarte bune.Nu cred ca o sa ia romanul masina de 250 euro cand la 2-3000 de euro isi ia masina bunicica.Cat despre plangerile grupului Renault,ca o data cu desfiintarea taxei o sa aiba o scadere a vanzarilor si,implicit,o sa dea oameni in somaj,asta e.Traim intr-o economie de piata,daca ai un produs competitiv rezisti,daca nu,falimentezi.


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Vladescu spune ca este o taxa de mediu, putand fi anulata printr-o initiativa cetateneasca, nefiind taxa fiscala. Deci!?


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post 25 Mar 2007, 12:32
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Nu e nici taxa de mediu, nu e nici taxa fiscala, e taxa pentru protejarea mafiei APIA.

Taxa a fost adusa la forma actuala de APIA si normal ca le protejeaza interesele.
Nu e taxa de mediu pentru ca 70% din parcul auto e noneuro. Astea s-ar schimba in Euro2 sau Euro3.

Nu e nici taxa fiscala pentru ca descurajeaza comertul cu masini second din strainatate. Daca nu se aduc masini second, inseamna ca nici statul nu incaseaza bani.

Ajunge sa te uiti la coeficientii de calcul ca sa vezi ca incurajeaza vanzarea de masini noi.


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post 25 Mar 2007, 12:45
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Uite ce spune un boier

"Continui sa fiu impresionat (de aceea reiau acest subiect) de indarjirea cu care premierul nostru impune monstruoasa taxa de inmatriculare a masinilor de mana a doua, starnind si un scandal european. Ea este in contradictie cu traditia bratienista a PNL, care, de peste un secol, a sprijinit constant pe cei cu venituri medii, pe care-i loveste acum atat de dur si de nedrept. Trebuie sa fii foarte prost ca sa nu vezi ca aceasta taxa foloseste exclusiv constructorilor si importatorilor
de masini, ceea ce explica toata tarasenia."


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...
eugeniuz2004, cu 1000 de Euro in Germania gasesti masina euro2 mai buna decat solenza ta. laugh.gif

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Sunt pentru o taxa de mediu functie doar de nivelul euro al masinii si de cilindreea acestuia si sunt pentru un act normativ care sa impuna existenta pe orice autovehicul inmatriculat si aflat in circulatie a minimum standardului Euro 1. Sa vedem atunci daca posesorii (foarte multi) de Dacia 1xxx mai au ceva de spus. In final ar cam trebui sa ne pese si cat de mult poluam (nu pentru ca ar fi ingrijorator din punctul de vedere al fenomenului de incalzire globala la care alte chestii contribuie mult mai mult decat toate autovehiculele ci pentru ca respiram zilnic ceea ce iese din tevile de esapament ale tuturor cazanelelor - a se citi 1xxx Dacia + Aro + Roman + Dac).



Revenind la postul citat partial mai sus sunt de acord ca gasesc masina mai IEFTINA decat solenza mea dar mai buna ? asta e discutabil ca E2 e un standard scos din productie de occidentali de multa vreme ceea ce face ca respectivele masini sa fie imbatranite. Si o fi mai buna la intrarea in tara dar daca o plimbi 2 luni prin gropile mioritice .... piesele de schimb greu de gasit si scumpe te vor ferici.


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post 25 Mar 2007, 13:06
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Daca ai impune minim euro 1 dar ai scoate taxa de prima inmatriculare ai rezolva mult mai simplu problema poluarii. Majoritatea vor avea de la 300-500 de euro in sus sa-si ia masina care sa respecte aceste standarde (oricum nu vad pe nimeni sa prefere o masina cu carburator in dauna uneia cu injectie electronica), iar cei care vor carcoti impotriva acestei reglementari vor fi mult mai putini (cativa pensionari care merg 10 km pe luna cu dacia 1300) decat cei care critica taxa de prima inmatriculare. Asa se va rezolva si problema poluarii, vor si si masini mai bune pe sosele si vor disparea si scandalurile.


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post 25 Mar 2007, 13:12
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Da, insa daca ai impune minim euro 1 nu ai mai respecta normele europene de libera circulatie a marfurilor.


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post 25 Mar 2007, 13:24
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S-ar putea sa gresesc dar in Germania se pare ca au o astfel de limitare: indiferent de masina trebuie sa corespunda normelor E1. Ori asta inseamna un minim catalizator si benzina fara plumb (mangan mai nou). Si nu a murit nimeni din asta desi probabil la un moment dat au fost si la ei carcotasi.


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