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post 30 May 2007, 09:47
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Axa de pe coloana dinspre cremaliera formeaza un unghi cu axa volanului. Asta inseamna ca la rotirea volanului apar miscari de rotatie in bucsele din cuplaj.
Ai de ales...

Daca strangi suruburile, acea miscare de rotatie induce deformatii elastice in cauciucul bucselor. Nu vei avea rotatie relativa cu frecare intre piese, ci miscare relativa intre cilindrii bucselor, cu torsionarea cauciucului dintre ele.
Din acest motiv, strangerea suruburilor se face cu rotile in pozitie de mers rectiliniu. Altfel trage directia-ntr-o parte. In plus, in acest fel cauciucul tot torsionandu-se se va uza ceva mai repede.

Daca nu le strangi, vei avea rotatie relativa cu frecare intre suruburi si bucse. Dar vei avea si joc. Si sa nu strangi piulitele alea mi se pare riscant, in ciuda inelelor de plastic anti-defiletare.

Parerea mea: se strang!


Si daca tot ai adus vorba aici ( icon_mrgreen.gif ), la cuplajul pe care-l am eu le-am strans, pt ca la mine nu se mai pune problema deformarii elastice.

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......sau se lasa putin destranse?
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post 3 Jul 2007, 21:43
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Din seria : "Sa reparam greselile unui fabricant idiot"

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Fratilor am si eu o intrebare:
Am facu t ITP u in mai si mi-au schimbat astia nu stiu ce arc pe la cremaliera ( nu stiu exact si o bieleta) dar problema e ca de atunci merge volanu super greu.
Recunosc ca axul casetei de directie nu l-am uns cu vaselina insa inainte de schimbarea lor mergea volanu mult mai usor.
Din cate imi aduc aminte au desfacut vreo 2 suruburi undeva pe langa cutie putin mai sus in caseta de directie si mi-au zis ca vreo 2 saptamani o sa mearga volanu mai greu dar sunt 2 luni de atunci si la fel de greu merge.
Imi explica cineva ceor fi schimbat si cum pot sa am din nou volan manevrabil usor.


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post 4 Jul 2007, 01:24
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da ma X, dar cine a fost cu ideea? Nu fratele SGM-ul?

Ti-au bagat o saiba sub tachetul de la caseta de directie. Asa fac "meseriasii" astia. In loc sa bage o saibe de 0.2 mm , baga un de 2 mm, sa fie. Ca se "lasa" ea in timp smile.gif)

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Din seria : "Sa reparam greselile unui fabricant idiot"

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este o serie care trebuie urmarita tongue.gif oricum e buna idea si cu poze ca sa intelegem si noi astia "meseriasi" smile.gif


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post 6 Jul 2007, 18:44
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De la ce ai luat crucea cardanica, SGM? Sau ai construit-o (pe rulmenti sau pe bucse de bronz?!)?


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post 6 Jul 2007, 19:54
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de la dacie. tata are pe a lui din 2004. mere frumos, dar sa nu bagi mana pe dedesupt ca te faci de vasilina biggrin.gif


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post 6 Jul 2007, 21:30
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De la ce ai luat crucea cardanica, SGM? Sau ai construit-o (pe rulmenti sau pe bucse de bronz?!)?


Se vede ca e de fabrica.
Pacat ca e sudata.Cu putina rabdare axul ar fi mers strunjit la cota fixa+ un canal de pana si stransa crucea cu un surub de 6 sau 8 nu stiu ce gaura are.Era mai sigur.Succese in continuare!


L.E. E pe rulumenti! smile.gif

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pai daca ati fi citit mai inainte pe acest topic...daciile mai noi de 2000 au cruce cardanica deci ar trebui sa gasesti la orice magazin de piese...


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post 6 Jul 2007, 23:48
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Daciile mai noi au complet alta mitraliera. Nu stiu ce la ce este crucea mea cardanica, am luat un ansamblu de la o directie care mi s-a parut mie ca merge adaptat, de la dezmembrari.

Dupa razboi, multi vitezi se arata... Fiecare face cu ce are, cum se poate, si cum il duce capul. In cazul meu nu era alta varianta de montaj, axele fiind prea scurte

Axele sunt polizate in forma dreptungiulara, batute in crucea cardanica, apoi sudate de mine smile.gif.

Am mai multa incredere intr-o sudura in mediu de argon decat in niste suruburi. Plus ca nu am nevoie sa schimb vreodata crucea.Daca cedeaza sudura, tot se tine in dreptungi. Asa moare pe masina.


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post 7 Jul 2007, 13:47
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in cazul meu...directia este destul de veche(nu stiu exact) si precisa...si merge extrem de usor....deci se poate si fara giumbuslucuri...


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post 7 Jul 2007, 18:05
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cand vrei performanta, nu iti permiti jocuri.


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post 7 Jul 2007, 18:07
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aici nu te contrazic...dar cati de aici au o masina de la care cer performante?eu stiu doar vreo 3 printre care si tu...deci...restul?


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post 9 Jul 2007, 20:33
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Daca-n opinia ta o directie precisa pe care sa te poti baza oricand si-n orice situatie si care sa amplifice-n mare masura placerea condusului e ceruta doar de performanta... sleep.gif


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post 10 Jul 2007, 02:26
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post 10 Jul 2007, 06:38
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QUOTE(papamuntz991 @ 6 Jul 2007, 21:31)
pai daca ati fi citit mai inainte pe acest topic...daciile mai noi de 2000 au cruce cardanica deci ar trebui sa gasesti la orice magazin de piese...
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Daca nu m-as fi uitat expre la 2-3 Dacii din 2001-2003 te-as fi crezut..pana una alta toate erau pe sistem clasic, adica cuplajul ala infect.


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post 10 Jul 2007, 13:09
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Eu stiu din 99 care are. Mitraliera se prinde alfel, pe o bara intre stalpii fata.


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QUOTE(B-34-SGM @ 7 Jul 2007, 00:48)

Dupa razboi, multi vitezi se arata... Fiecare face cu ce are, cum se poate, si cum il duce capul. In cazul meu nu era alta varianta de montaj, axele fiind prea scurte

Axele sunt polizate in forma dreptungiulara, batute in crucea cardanica, apoi sudate de mine smile.gif.


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Nu e vorba de razboi;era o simpla sugestie.Pacat ca nu poti aprecia..... sad.gif


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Mersi pt sugestie. Dar daca te uitai bine la lungimi, ai fi vazaut ca nu erau alte variante.

Mi-ar fi placut sa pui o poza cu ce ai facut tu, si sa imi arati o solutie mai buna care a fost pusa si in practica smile.gif


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Ce-i drept, practica ne omoara, dar daca ideea nu vine, practica nu face nimic. Experienta se imparte in 60% reusita si 40% esec. Iar sculele fac 70% din muca unui meserias wink.gif


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desfaci mitraliera,o dai afara, si totul va fi mult mai usor. in 3- 4 ore e gata smile.gif


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sa inteleg ca nu tai si nu sudez nimic la coloana de directie sau cum ?


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te orientezi la fata locului, cu piesele demontate in fata. eu am sudat crucea acolo. e cu rulmenti, nu se strica niciodata.


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mai explica`mi o treaba inainte sa ma apuc, dupa modificare se simte diferente mari ?


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Din seria : "Sa reparam greselile unui fabricant idiot"

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mai explica`mi o treaba inainte sa ma apuc, dupa modificare se simte diferente mari ?
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