In the days of my apprenticeship, vehicles were given they're first oil change at 500 or
1000 miles.
The thought of leaving my new Logan Diesel until 10.000kms or 6,000 miles is a bit worrying.
Is there any good reason to wait? Or should I do it now at 2,500kms if nothing else but to satisfy my own mind.

Concerned, Barrie, SW France.

Because machining and manufacturing techniques have come a long way since the early 60's and there is no need for that. Oil change intervals have grown from 5000 km to over 20000 km.
It's just that you will spend some money on a new filter and some oil (50-80 euros perhaps) and it will be for nothing. It will not do any harm, but any advantages gained will be minuscule.
Cheers, Einstein, Romania

minuscule = 0, in this case

greetings - heinz

You should check your manual, because in mine - I have a petrol version- it says that if you use it mainly in the city you should change the oil after 7500 km, not 15000km -which is the normal interval for petrol versions-. Isnt there something similar for diesel versions?

Mine says 15000 and 30000 and that is all it needs !!! Why is town work harder than wizzing down the Autobahn at 150kmh ????
I stick to the new standards and I will not Help the OIL Multis anymore than I need to .In 15000 km my last service needed 0,2 ltr oil
StU

Actually, the explanation is quite simple, the engine is not running by the mileage but by the time, and the car doesn't record the time, only the mileage. Therefore, if most of the time you crawl or stand at the traffic lights instead of "wizzing down the Autobahn", you must take that into account and compensate for the extra time the engine was running in standstill.

Not to mention, as in my case, that distances in the city are often shorter, so the engine is not running at optimum conditions, that is, it hardly ever warms enough. The cold start is especially stressful for the engine because at the moment of the start the oil is not yet distributed to all the places where it is needed.

[Why is town work harder than wizzing down the Autobahn at 150kmh ????]

Stu, i couldn't believe my eyes that it is u whose saying these








piston rings r not so tight,if they where,they would score the inside of the cylinder
hence u get contaminants gassy mixture of petrol and air would enter the sump and some will mix with oil and dilute it and sometimes give u the impression of not consuming oil (burning oil).This is the usual scenario in the sump ,if u drive mainly in the city (travel short distances and long stops) ur oil wouldn't become hot enough to evaporate these contaminants,but if u wiz down the Autobahn at 150 the oil would be hot enough to evap these contaminants and would degrade slower.
As u r 6 years my senior i wouldn't give u any wise cracks.Just to let u know.

Aali

I have checked the book and it says that if you have a Diesel:

If you use your car at least 50% idling or going very slowly, you should change the the oil+ oil filter+ air filter every 5 000 km or 6 months, the fuel filter after 10 000 km or 1 year and the distribution belts + accessories belt every 45 000 km or 4 years.

If over 50% of the journeys are done with an average speed below 30km/h or when using your car in a dusty environment, you should change the oil+ oil filter+ air filter every 5 000 km or 1 year, distribution belts+ accessories belt every 45 000 km or 4 years.

above is correct as written, but we were, as far as i recall, NOT talking about the diesels, but the
normal gasoline version, and NOT about special conditions like extreme dust, or extreme idling/short
driving situations, such as for taxis or similar. this then always changes things.

whoever post here with real issues, should always indicate in the personal settings what type of car he has.

greetings - heinz -

The same is stated for gasoline versions, only with according intervals, replace 10000 with 15000, 5000 with 7500 and so on.

My own statistics say that my average speed in the city is hardly over 20 km/h and there are times when it drops even under 20 km/h. And I am talking of the average over a longer periods, I reset my OBC only on refueling. So if one doesn't make a lot of open road driving (say, going only to a summer vacation), it is not so uncommon to get into this "special" category.

>> going only to a summer vacation

NOW you are making good sense, g100sic, very good sense, because thats what i have been telling you
all along: go on more vacations!

i know at least three more people who agree with me.

greetings - heinz -

Heinz, I wish you were my boss!!!
You don't happen to have an open position, now, do you?!

wrong direction, g100sic: it is the goverment employees that have the most
holidays. if you ever see the ones of our employees, or for that matter myself,
you would feell very sorry for us.

greetings - heinz -

Well, I was hoping that you as my boss would force me to go to more holidays, as you said in that previous post And now you say that I'm better off by myself I'm disappointed...

>> you as my boss would force me to go to more holidays

no, me as your boss would psuh you to do as i do. my last real
holiday was in 2003.

greetings - heinz -

Heinz is always on Holiday !!! he was here last year with the whole family in the car and a boot full of schnapps
Stu

eXtenSion, i stand corrected. the very initial post was about a diesel, but there he
was worried '' ... first oil change at 500 or 1000 miles ... and his being then far to
late at 10000km ''. later on the discussion changed to the main intervals between
changes, and all the people talking were driving gasoline versions.

sorry, i should have watched out more carfully, but the basic idea does not change,
be it in intervalls of 15 or 10 thousand: the intervalls given by DACIA are safe, and
the ones for 'extreme' conditions are really only for those.

greetings - heinz -

Like Heinz has just said You CAN trust Dacia they will not tell you to wait to long to change your oil if it means damaging the Motor and having to pay for the repair themselfs through the Dacia Garantie and dont forget they could make it earlier and then make more money out of you on the servicing intervalls .Just follow your Handbook instructions and enjoy your modern Vehicle
Stu


Hi Heinz

Thanks you Guys,

You have given this subject a good airing, nobody has said why I shouldn't change the oil, so for my own peace of mind I shall do the job before I go on holiday in a week or two.
Now much happier, Barrie. SW France.

It's your money man, you can throw it if you want! But...
If you wanted a peace of mind, you could have given it to the charity instead of changing oil when it is not necessary... You could have made more people happy then just yourself!

very well said, g100sic.

actually (and pls dont debate this), oil, any oil, needs a short run in period
before it is at top performance.

this is why on ralley and racing cars never fresh oil is filled in, but oil that has
been in an engine for some 500-1000 km already.

now on a DACIA it surely would not make a difference, but our friend barrie will
have those 1000km where he drives a bit under optimum, and not only wastes
the new oil, but also those 1000kms.

but, each to his own liking. buy a cheap car (and thats what a logan is supposed
to be) and throw out the money saved on oil.

greetings - heinz -

Actualy not.

Hey Barrie I have already read the post from Heinz so why duplicate it
Stu

READ THIS

http://www.carbibles.com/engineoil_bible.html


mmmm Barries post has gone

barrie, you need to carry this closer to your heart:

>> Mark Twain ... I never let my schooling get in the way of my education

many greetings - heinz -

Try this one barrie
>>Winston Churchill......Personally, I'm always ready to learn, although I do not always like being taught.
Bessy Regs
Stu

stu, are you being naughty? who is Bessy?

greetings - heinz

Bessy Regs is a way to get google to find you
Silly but true Google it
stu

dont need to know how to find something in google. would like to know
though how you found Bessy!

greetings - heinz

OK Heinz !!!
If you want to know .I must admit .........she has Huge Tits
Happy now
Stu

now that is really OFF TOPIC. if you would have told us, she
drives a red MCV, fair enough, i would have understood ...
anyone driving a red car deserves special attention.

i know of one country in asia, where they even introduced
special lanes on the roads, for red cars only (and i am not
kidding!).

greetings - heinz

Hey You Guys,

I already give to charity, I'm willing to learn, but how on earth did the subject turn to huge breasts, I do hope they're greasy.
I also asked about a workshop manual, in English.
What sexy subject do I get instead of this I wonder????
Regards, Barrie, SW France.

barrie, if we now start discussing 'grease' on modern cars, it think it
will be as endless as the subject 'oil'.

workshop manuals: it was answered here too, somewhere somewhen.
you should ask ger from the NL dacia club, he is the only one who could
help you (at least for the moment, untill stu returns, and changes to big
boobs again - happens when you sell icecream all day).

greetings - heinz

PS: what does the SW stand for in you signature? 'Sold to Washington',
or somewhere near biarritz?

PPS: and the 2008 NOT KNOWN means you dont have your MCV yet?
then why start worrying now? you wont need a workshop manual anyhow,
and hardly any oil. and you'll get the best and roomiest car that money
can buy (THAT amount of money). remember the old CITROEN and
RENAULT 7-seater BREAK versions? this is what you'll get, at least size-
wise. well, not quite a DS21 Pallas Break ...

Greasy Breasts ????
OMG
Now this throws a light on SW doesnt it
Sexual Wierdo
Stu

Hi Guys,

The SW stands for South West, now tell me what you were thinking honestly?
I couldn't locate the fellow in the Nederlands, then someone promised to e.mail me the manual, but so far, nothing.
For the uninformed, I've had my MCV since April, the Not Known refers to the matriculation number, which I shall keep to myself.
When I find out how, I may send a photo.
Regards Barrie.

PS Carry on with the big breasts please.

hi guys, wait for me I also happen to like big greasy breasts ,but really i think more than a handfull is a waste of quality material ,don't u think so?
also the system won't let me pm ger for a manual "Cause i haven't enough posts? could someone explain to me why?
hey heinz by special lane for red cars u mean lane reserved for fire engines?


cu all

Aali

>> The SW stands for South West, now tell me what you were thinking honestly?

barrie, well i did mention biarritz, which is about as far south and certainly west as it goes,
but pau or even bordeaux would fit too - just guessing.

>> I couldn't locate the fellow in the Nederlands

he is here in the forum ( http://www.daciaclub.ro/index.php?showuser=23995 ), and the 'boss' of
the dutch DACIA forum.

>> For the uninformed, I've had my MCV since April

then belated congratulations, hope you enjoy it as much as most of us do.

>> Not Known refers to the matriculation number, which I shall keep to myself

dont worry, only a few of us have the habit of showing up at somebodys doorsteps semi-announced,
but if it makes you feel better, keep your little secret.

>> When I find out how, I may send a photo

now that would be nice, specially if you include some of your nice SW F landscape in
the background.

>> Carry on with the big breasts please

sorry, for this we need stu to fill in. we have a specialist for everything here.

ali, where the heck were you? we missed you. again observing pistachio trees? if you ever
want to know, i can tell you where the best ones really come from.

>> big breasts

wait for stu

>> red cars

wait for stu

>> special lanes

wait for stu, untill you see him drive

greetings - heinz -

>> ali, where the heck were you? we missed you. again observing pistachio trees? if you ever want to know, i can tell you where the best ones really come from.

well... u know tha answer,then why do u ask .some of us, at least unlucky ones have to work for a living and plz tell me where the best ones really come from? it is a matter of pride

>> tell me where the best ones really come from? it is a matter of pride

well, your pride will not get hurt, because it is close by. i would say, at least commercially,
rafsanjan, sirjan and zarand, but personally and privatly, a very small garden in jupar.

greetings - heinz -

Regards, Barrie,.

<span class='edit'>4 Aug 2008, 07:59:</span>
Hi You Guys,

I have the same problem with lack of posts to send a message to Alex in the Nederlands.

If you read this Alex: Please e.mail me the Repair Manual, in whatever language.
Many Thanks, B.


For those wanting to know where I live: 50kms from Toulouse.

For those who were thinking " Sex Weirdo" Get Stuffed!!! In the nicest possible way.

For those who don't believe in oil changes, tell me where all the products of combustion go.
I still maintain that oil is cheaper than a new motor.

And after 4 months, my Logan is a real treat.

Regards, Barrie,.

hi barrie

>> same problem with lack of posts to send a message to Alex in the Nederlands

normally he answers very quickly, maybe his is on holiday?

>> jaxxxs.wxxxxxn@orange.fr

the forum is constantly checked by bots for email addresses, i would suggest you
edit yours out quickly, and give it only in PMs. otherwise you will find out quickly why.

>> where I live: 50kms from Toulouse

great area, so should be lovely pictures.

>> those who were thinking " Sex Weirdo"

are you seriously thinking any of us were (but stu)?

>> Get Stuffed!!! In the nicest possible way

well, not my side, but i am told there would be some nice ways.
but we are on the wrong forum for this.

>> where all the products of combustion go

98% out of the exhaust pipe, where else would you want them?
inside the car?

>> I still maintain that oil is cheaper than a new motor

you have every right to think and do what you like. that does not make it more correct, though.

>> And after 4 months, my Logan is a real treat

now that, barrie, is some really good news. tks for letting us know.

greetings - heinz -

Thanks for the warning,I've done as suggested.
I note that 2% of the product goes to the sump.
The stuborn old "B" is still for Changing the oil early in the motors life.
This practice has served me well for over 50 years.
Now some advice on sending photos please.
Regards Barrie. France.

OK Join up to flickr that is www.flickr.com then you can upload you photos using them .You then Copy the link into your post like this

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3055/271704...3df638a36_o.jpg

if you do it that way you let us click on the link to my photograph
BUT
if you press on the letters IMG a box will appear and just paste the Url into the box and you will get this



It is dead easy and I realy recomend Flickr it is free and easy to upload to using the uploader tools
Stu

Hey that is a coincidence That your Last name is France eh
Barrie France Mmmmmm Stuart English or Even Heinz Germany




@ Barrie

I dug this out for you not Greasy but wobbly
Stu
http://mirrored.flabber.nl/boob.cursor/ciagnijcycka.swf

Cheers Stu, England,

Thanks for the info, and the enclosure. It beats oil changing anytime.

Barrie.

[I note that 2% of the product goes to the sump.]
Barrie in a process known as positive crankcase ventilation (PCV)
filtered air enters the sump's air and again sucked out to the intake
manifold to be burned in the combustion chamber,so i think that
solves your problem.

as for heinz,u force me hamvatan to get technical:as export quality
goes;the best pistachioes (the huge jumboes and long whoopers) come
from rafsanjan.the best of the best come from koshkuee-eh to anar
districts.sirjan pistachioes are of inferior quality and zarand
pistachios are mainly coveted for their super green nuts used in
confectionaries.abt a small orchard in jupar,well u can do many things
in a small scale orchard which is not feasible in a big operation.

cu

Aali

ali, you and technical?

>> well u can do many things in a small scale orchard

finally you got it. it has been a long time ago, but i still remember what one can do in a small
orchard ... and it had very little to do with pistachios. they were just the excuse.

regarding export quality, i think you are talking nonsense. and you can only prove your point
by sending us one kilo of the finest here to europe, and then we can maybe agree with you.

greetings - heinz -

Hey You Guys,

I only asked about changing my oil early.
I've been told to give to charity, offered big breasts; asked for greasy ones and got wobbly ones instead, and now the subjects turned to NUTS.
Thankfully not mine, but where next I ask?
Bewildered, Barrie.

barrie, this is a very social board, with your actual question surely discussed
and answered, but many other (nice?) things thrown in.

so if you DO have any more real question (but pls dont tell us you now want
to change your tires every 5000km), just ask, and many of us will be more
than pleased to answer.

there is, however, little point of asking anything if long before the first answer
you already have made up your mind, and your opinion stands against ALL
opinons of EVERYBODY else. you may still ask, but dont wonder if things kind
of wander away quickly.

otherwise, just enjoy being here. and we are still looking forward to see your pictures.

and if you ever tasted real iranian pistachios, you know why this IS a real subject.

greetings - heinz

MY nuts arnt Green
Stu

Quite a few things changed over the last 50 years...
We now have unleaded fuel (at a price, though ), catalysators,... boobs... not to mention internet forums!

No one said your practice would hurt your engine (except maybe Heinz, but only if you intended to be a race driver ), it is just that now it's obsolete (if it wasn't obsolete even 50 years ago, but people just didn't know that back then)!!!