Hy.

If you are not from Romania, what do you think about Logan? I just want to know what other people from other countries think about us, about Dacia, about Romania ...

Thanks.

Hello,

I am living in the Czech Republic for many years, originally I am from Holland. I bought my Logan Laureate 1.4 some 7 weeks ago. I am very heppay with it. When people see the car, they usually are quite impressed - especially by its size (height), space for driver and for passengers as well as by the large boot. BEfore they started to sell the Logan here, there have been a lot of discussions on the web about it. I think, the majority of reactions were positive, but there are also many people here who remember Dacia from the Dacia 1300 and, for that reason, they will never in their life buy a Dacia. And of course there are people with stupid prejudices about Romania: "nothing good can come from there", "It will be as bad as Oltcit", "Don't buy a gypsy-car" and more of this kind of bullshit.
Many peopla also compare the situation of Dacia with the situation of the Czech carmanudacturer Skoda - it had a very bad image outside of the CR (especially in western-Europe), but since they joined Volkswagen the popularity has gone up very rapidly.

Here in my city I also see regularly new Dacia-pickups (the new cars based on the old 1300 model). I think, Dacia took a part of market from Skoda, which does not produce pick-up cars any more (the Felicia pick-up was the last model, the Fabia does not exist in pick-up version)

My friends and relatives from Holland have seen the Logan only from pictures which I sent them - but in one week I will be driving to Holland to visit my parents and some friends, and then I can see what will be their reactions.

Regards,

Nesta.

(and about Romania - Since end 2003 I am travelling to Romania regularly for work, and although I met in Bucharest with the classical "large city problems" - false policemen who stole my money during "passport control", pick-pockets.. - I am happy that I got to know this country and its people)

Thanks. After you come back, tell us how it was to drive it ... How comfortable it was, how did the engine run, and other details ... Ok?
I'm happy to see you happy about knowing Romania and its people ...

Bye

Hi,

I really like the Logan. Right now I have a new car and everything is on it is much better than on my old one.

I like the car a lot. I've been on a first trip this weekend with the Logan and I've done about 600 km. I have vent to pick up some things and made full use of the trunk, I could not believe how many boxes I could put in there. The boxes where relatively small so I could stack them tight.

Besides that there's a lot of space in the cabin and it's very comfortable to drive the car. I like the suspension. On my way back it was night, and I really like the lights. Maybe it's because everything is new on this car, but they are much better than some other cars I've driven.

Everything considered I thing it's a very good car for it's class, at least I'm satisfied with it.

And what do I think about Romania I really can't say because I've never been there, I can only guess. It's a European country with a long history so there must be a lot of beautiful historical sites to see. The photos on the net and in the Encarta look very nice.

Boris

[quote=bogdan_iuly,12 Mar 2005, 22:28]
Hy.

If you are not from Romania, what do you think about Logan? I just want to know what other people from other countries think about us, about Dacia, about Romania ...

Hello from Israel.

The logan has created a lot of intrest and press articals.
The suituation in Israel Is quite intresting. The Tax on cars is very heavy,
95%, +VAT.
This bring the cost of the car issue to be very important. although
The avarage GDP is 20000 $ per capita, the taxation will ensure that logan
Will have a huge intrest.

Dacia was marketed two times in the past. in 1981, and in 1988. Both
times it created a very negative response Due to relability .

Some people remember that, and everybody wondered why it is going to be badged under the dacia logo rather than Renault.

Anyway, It is going to be marketed in June- July, And it must be with an AC
(It is the law that every car shoukld have an AC )

Another subject: Automatic. The japanese and Korean Cars has created
That 85% of the cars sold, In every segment, is automatic.
That bring a big problem in this issue.

Finally: the reseller. if the price will be attractive and the dealer will give good support, it have a good chance.

Regards

Zvi.

Yhat's true, but I've seen on some international channels horrible movies that presented Romania ... It's true Romania has some problems, but they didn't remember not one of its beauties ...



HUGE tax you have there ... Sorry
Maybe the marketing team from Renault was confident that Logan is an european car that could "erase" the bad reliability from the history of Dacia ... I don't know ...

I must say that I know very little about Romania. I've looked up some facts since I joined this club. Romania has about 5 times more inhabitans than Croatia, and is about 5 times bigger than Croatia.

You had a bad form of comunism in the past, I think worse than ours was. You are trying to join the EU, and hopefuly will in 2007.

That's about all I know, not very much.

BTW my cable provider is obviously selling some pirate TV chanells so I wach the romanian Discovery Chanel a lot . Only the comertials are in Romanian, and I haven't seen one for Logan jet

As for teh general opinion, I don't now, but I haven't seen any movies that where showing Romania badly.

I invite you to came and visit us.... as a lot of romanians travel in your country every year, you should start co come here and know us better! ... I pass through Croatia 3 times (Hungary > Osijek-Zagreb > Slovenia) and once I was in Ronvij for a short vacation.... for 4 days... in the summer of 2003... the route was Hungary (Balaton) >Zagreb > Rijeka > the... tunnel > Rovinj (and cenzurat....you know what means in romanian )



it is normal!.... until will be waiting lists for Logan (one mounth in this period), no advertising will be neccessary!

Rovinj is nice, I've been there a couple of times, just passed through. Last time I had a nice lunch there.

As for the trip to Romania we can continue this on the Travel section

cenzurat? No I don't now what that means in Romanian.

I think it's about a city which was 'renamed' Pale by our televisions, since its original name (automatically censored by this forum) is the slang for 'penis'

The name of the ... tunel is slang for 'penis', or the name of this city?

Name of the city.

The name of that city

Pale is near Sarayevo,in Bosnia.

Maybe it's Pale, but I guessed it's was "that city" because of the route "Zagreb > Rijeka > the... tunnel > Rovinj (and cenzurat..."

The city where Mate Parlov lives

" Pale is near Sarayevo,in Bosnia."-political geography for our Roumanian friends.

Tunnel is Ucka ( Utschka?).

Boris,if you see some nice people taking pictures with road sign of the town where

is famous Roman Arena (and well-known boxer) you may bet with companions that

these smiling faces are tourists from Romania.

Pictures are matter of prestige after arrival from Croatia ...

I knew it before.

There are some other interesting names in Croatia. One of them is Spichkovina (ufortunarely this is a joke for croatian and serbian speeking members only)

It was very interesting, where I found for the first time the original name of this city ( P.U.L.A), Because in all our school books was PALE. When I was about 10 years young, I found an old book (one of the most fascinating story read in my childhood) called (approximative translation) "Red Zora and she's gang" (you know it?) wich in one page had a map with the real name of the city. First i was very confused, and I was ashame tu ask my parents. I showed the book to all my schoolmates until I found the truth.

No, I don't now the book. Renaming a city sound a bit strange, but we have our own names for other cities allso. So maybe it's not censorship, but just a romanian name for the city.

For example Timisoara is Temi¹var, and Bucuresti is Bukure¹t in Croatian maps.

Sorry guys, but you are off-topic
Back to the subject please ...

How yes no…

I don’t believe that Romanians could have their own name for small town far away.

What`s about Italian?Is it Pule?

sorry Boris.... the forum change automatically some "ugly" or "prohibited" vords... .... P u l a means in romanian penis ....vv already explained to you this... "cenzurat" means in romanian "cut" (eliminated because is in breach of a certain rule).

Isn't there any other people on this forum which are not from Romania and which could say what their opinion is?

Salutes from Serbia.

I said a lot...

Come on guys. Let's get back to the topic and see some opinions from non-Romanians.

So, back from Holland, after having driven appr. 2400 km.
- People who saw the car were ver impressed by its size, and space for passengers and luggage. It was funny when the car was parked in front of my parents' house in the village where they live: Many people took a lot of time to investigate what kind of car it is, they were walking around it, sometimes turned their car when they passed by to see what kind of vehicle is standing there... Some people were negativley surprised when they learned that you cannot put down the backseats to increase the space in the boot.
- Driving comfort: very o.k., on the motorway I drove 120-140, tried even 150-160, but that is a lot for the 1.4 engine. When driving very fast one little minus becomes clear, and that is the sensitivity for (side)wind. The Logan is high (and the Laureate with 15" wheels is even higher) and not heavy, and when there is strong wind from the side, or you are passing trucks on the motorway, you feel it.
- I am happy with the powersteering also on long straight motorway-tracks. I was curious about it, because most of the Logan-reviews and tests published in the Czech Republic where not positive at all about the powersteering.
- Use of petrol: When seriously trying to keep the use of petrol low (regulary watching the board computer and learning a bit at whch style of driving the use of petrol suddenly gets up) I succeeded to have an average of 6.7/100km according to the board computer. I think that is very well, considering t hat I did not drive ridiculously slow (see above).
- The noise-level is o.k., as long as you do not drive more than 130 km/h (or a biot more, when the motorway goes slightly downhill)
- Once I tanked by mistake a full tank of 91-petrol (unleaded, luckely), this was to be noticed a bit when driving slowly in 3rd/4th gear, but besides that it did not do any harm.

I think, those are the most important impressions. My conclusion: I do not regret having bought this car.

Best regards,

Nesta

wow ;
nice surprise having a positive opinion from abroad;
if you read the opinion of the Roamanians .....
your critics are similar to ours: sensitivity to side winds and engine noise above 130
fixed rear seats are also a minus
enjoy your car !

I had that problem too, with the Ambition model ... It's a common problem ...



From my experience (and others', too), I tell you that from 3000 rpm to 4000 rpm, the engine is very noisy, but after 4000 rpm, ... i have no words to say it ... it works and sounds superb ... That's my opinion ... I'm looking forward to hearing your's ...



I'm glad to hear that ... Thank you for sharing your opinions with us ...

Anyone else?
Bad opinions, if any, are also welcome. In fact it would be good to hear if any of you had problems with your Logan.

Well. it seems that no one is willing to write. What is the overall opinion of Romanian owners? There's a lot of posts, but I can't read Romanian, so I don't have a clue.

Well, since there are many Romanian owners, there are many questions/problems/improvements to be discussed. The car is ok in general, there are some isolated problems (e.g. some problems with the catalyst - hope I got the english translation right ) but the cars seem to work ok so far. To give you an idea first 5 topics (i.e. most recent) in the 'technical problems' section are now:
- power steering tremor (fake problem IMO, it is normal behaviour in the described conditions)
- clutch and steering adjustment ( some guy's car has a tendency to steer right slightly + he wants to adjust the clutch pedal so that it de-couples earlier)
- problems with the catalyst
- front wheels burning hot (most probably from heavy braking, IMO there is little indication so far that this is indeed a technical problem)
- noise from the gearbox in the first gear ( some discussion whether it is normal or not - the descriprion is "put the car in the first gear, accelerate till 3000 rpm, then press the clutch and wait until you get to 800 rpm (with the car still in the first gear, but the clutch pedal pressed); at this point, do you hear a noise?). There was some discussion whether in this kind of conditions, it is normal - the general opinion seems to be that if there is no noise when accelerating, there is no problem.

furculission = fourche (sorry i didn't have time to drink my morning coffee)

direction = steering
servodirection = power steering

It sounds to me that those guys with the "tremor" and "seering to the right" 'problems' should first check the front end geometry, balance, caster angle,... (whatever the english expresions are ).

Specialy the guy with the "seering to the right" problem, that's going to solve his problem.

Steering to one side can be caused by difference in tire pressure also on the front side wheels.

I have an Ambition model since October last year and i'm pleased with it so far. No problems as some other fellows here.

Aside some minor noises from the engine that i don't like (but i might be over sensitive to this stuff) the car is ok.

Unfortunately, what i hear from some of my co-workers that bought the car recently, it seems that the legend of Romanian labor is still strong. I mean that the car i bought few months ago seems to be put toghether with more conscientiousness than the ones that go out of the factory right now. But this is my own opinion and others may contradict me.

Indeed, I had the same problem (steering to the right). After "geometry" it is 100% alright (at the DACIA/Renault-service they told me that the wheels were standing a bit like tthis: / /

I have Logan laureate 1.4 and i also hear some strange noise from the engine.
I tought that I was going crazy because two of my friends that drove this car for a test drive didn't hear anything.
So let's just compare that noise!

I hear strange sound from the engine, but only when I seat in a driver seat. It can be heard only when I accelerate and it's coming from the front left side of the car. It's some kind of ticking (I can't describe it in other words) tick-tick-tick-tick.

Is this the noise that you hear?

To me it sounds a little bit like a Diesel engine when it just started. After the engine is warm it is still audible but less noisy. The sound I hear more often is similar to an old engine with used pistons, but of course, I can not belive it comes from this, the engine is new.

I remember some discussions about a ticking noise that came from the engine air intake (the tube entrance is on the left side of the engine, so that is why it might be noisier from the driver seat) and it disappears after changing the plastic tube.

@look - i think your noise may be from the injectors ('normal' noise), especially since you hear it more when you accelerate.

Thanks TheMask and vv!

According to this what you say this is nothing serious and it's probably normal thing!

I got very vory and I thought to take the car to service, but now I wan't!

And I have one more question that I forgot to ask in last post!

The pedals (break, accelerate and for changing gears) when the car is on the move they are vibrating, and I can say that it's not very pleasent feeling for my feets. The vibrating is changing form none to little and to a lot of vibrating. When I say a lot that means that it's a unpleasent feeling when I put my feet to a pedal.

Is this normal too?

Shoud I go to a service for a check?

Since I just drove car for a 500km meybe some thing will get better when I go over 1000km and when a motor goes over a factory first recommandation.

I don't want to go to a service to be laughed at because this problem is silly or normal thing.

I bouth this car after 17 years of driving skoda 120l and I didn't have a chance to drive other or better new cars.

On my car - the brake pedal only vibrates from the ABS, the cluch pedal does not vibrate. The acceleration vibrates at all Logans - this is a known problem that was discussed a lot on the romanian part of the forum. Some guys installed some sort of flexible tube (if my understanding is correct ) on the exhaust part of the car, this reduces the vibrations quite a bit. Maybe you should contact rdesign or klaus - they installed this flexible element.
Careful though, if you are making this modification you may loose the waranty. Are you sure that it bothers you that much?

I must say that I did not notice any vibrations of pedals, either I don't have the problem or my feet are numb

Boris - accelerate until you reach 3000 rpm, then lift your foot so that the acceleration pedal is no longer pressed, but your foot still makes contact with the pedal. I'm sure you'll feel the vibration

OK I'll try it, but it seems that I have a different aproach to Logan 'problems'.

If I don't notice a 'problem', I don't have a problem

The only thing I have noticed so far are those vibrating and noisy wipers, and I had enough adjusting. I'll just change them.

EDIT: Added later

OK, so I'm home and I accelerated to 3000 rpm, released the accelerator pedal (kept my foot on it) and I did not feel any serious vibrations (very, very small. nothing to wite about in my opinion).

The thing I find a bit anoying if we are talking about the driving characeristics of the Logan is that it is difficult to drive really slow (trafic jams). If I,m driving slow (10-15 km/h) and try to release the accelerator pedal (very very gently) the car jumps and kicks a bit. Like the engine is choking (but it's not). Maybe I don't have the feel for theese soft pedals yet.

Thank you vv. I was unable to come to the forum before. Well, I guess I will have to get used to this vibrating! In time, I will probably totaly ignore this thing.

If I just can't, than I will make modifications and before that contact eather klaus or rdesign.

Thank you once again!

quote=DJ Nesta,13 Mar 2005, 15:25]
(and about Romania - Since end 2003 I am travelling to Romania regularly for work, and although I met in Bucharest with the classical "large city problems" - false policemen who stole my money during "passport control", pick-pockets.. - I am happy that I got to know this country and its people)

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next time, give us a call, we will be glad to help you. this is not the real face of the romanians.

about the exhaust vibrations, klaus mounted a flexible element on the exhaust, after the cathalitic convertor. you may find it at any exhaust service.

as for the noise, we managed to do some minor adjustments: some insulating materials on the hood , some rubber-paint under the car... a very useful thing is to mount under the hood the thing that is used to seal the doors when they are closed (made out of rubber, it is called "cheder"). caution: only devices used for doors are good, maybe my coleagues will help u with that... initially, I mounted thisdevice to keep my hood clean, but then my friends noticed taht it reduces some noises. see the pictures to understand better.

see here what I meant with the dirt on the hood, and how that rubber thimg stops it.

next are the photos with what is the rubber thing and how to mount it.

http://www.daciaclub.ro/index.php?act=Atta...pe=post&id=6906

http://www.daciaclub.ro/index.php?act=Atta...pe=post&id=6905

http://www.daciaclub.ro/index.php?act=Atta...pe=post&id=6907

http://www.daciaclub.ro/index.php?act=Atta...pe=post&id=6908

In addition to noise problem...

There is a plastic part or cover ( I dare prattle pp !) tightening each low external

corner of the windscreen.If pp hasn`t been produced or adjusted well it is able

to go slightly up & down making ticking,knocking sound,not so loud but annoying,

while touching the glass of the windscreen.Of course engine has to be turn on,

at 2500-3000 rpm and higher when vibrations become sufficient .

Right pp bothers me from the very beginning.I pulled it out, tried to

accommodate several times with no significant result.Finally put small piece

of rubber as a insulator which worked OK.But, after washing my car rubber

piece has “gone with water (wind)”.

No words for strengh of pistol – cenzurat

Nowadays,I think silicone could be solution …

Press the clutch and you won't hear it. It is a common problem.