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post 8 Dec 2008, 22:10
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What to do when you wanted $34 billion and Congress only gave you $15 billion? Try again, but this time go North young man. The Detroit 3 are now making a pitch to the Canadian legislature seeking an additional $6.8 billion from Canada where nearly 100,000 workers are employed in factories and dealerships bearing the Chrysler, General Motors or Ford name.

General Motors of Canada has asked for $2.4 billion in loans, Chrysler Canada Inc. is looking for $1.6 billion and Ford wants a $2 billion line of credit on "stand-by" to be used "only if the current economic crisis worsens." GM is also seeking an immediate $800 million to make it through the end of the year. The Detroit automakers are quick to point out that these amounts are proportional to the U.S. bailout requests and that they are asking for loans, not handouts.

Federal Industry Minister Tony Clement was in Washington during the recent hearings and says the Canadian government will have to review the requests before pledging any funds. He had previously confirmed that funds were set aside to help automakers in the most recent budget. Premier Dalton McGuinty also pointed out the need to balance the public's needs with the carmakers' requests: "We want to move as quickly as we can, but we don't want to move so quickly that we end up with a response that is irresponsible given the legitimate demands of taxpayers." Thanks for the tip, Xeyad!


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Le-au cerut mai putin canadienilor... Cei mai multi bani i-au cerut de la Arabia Saudita, Kuweit, Emirate si Qatar.

Washingtonul a cerut aproape 300 miliarde dolari din partea a patru monarhii bogate din Golful Persic, invocand necesitatea combaterii efectelor crizei financiare cu care se confrunta Statele Unite. Informatia a fost dezvaluita de cotidianul kuweitian Al-Seyassah, si preluata de agentiile internationale de presa. Jurnalul citat, care nu este controlat de Guvernul kuweitian, ci de investitori privati independenti, sustine ca a obtinut informatiile din "surse bine informate". Astfel, autoritatile de la Washington ar fi solicitat 120 miliarde dolari Arabiei Saudite, 70 de miliarde dolari Emiratelor Arabe Unite, 60 de miliarde dolari Qatarului si 40 de miliarde dolari Kuweitului. Statele Unite sunt cea mai puternica economie a planetei, detinand anul trecut un PIB de 13.000 de miliarde de dolari, iar cea mai bogata dintre cele 4 monarhii din Golf, Arabia Saudita, este abia pe locul 24 in topul economiilor lumii, cu un PIB de 381 de miliarde de dolari.

Ziarul nu precizeaza modalitatea in care Statele Unite ar urma sa primeasca acest ajutor, insa dezvaluie ca Washingtonul a sustinut ca va folosi acesti bani pentru sprijinirea industriilor americane amenintate de criza financiara, cum ar fi, in aceasta ordine, industria constructoare de masini si cea bancara.

http://www.frontnews.ro/externe/eveniment/...ele-arabe-17347

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post 9 Dec 2008, 23:45
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Pai de, daca n-au fost si ei inspirati sa scoata bara stabilizatoare din dotarile de baza si sa bage faruri cu reglaj manual ...


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QUOTE(andu911 @ 9 Dec 2008, 09:02)
Ziarul nu precizeaza modalitatea in care Statele Unite ar urma sa primeasca acest ajutor, insa dezvaluie ca Washingtonul a sustinut ca va folosi acesti bani pentru sprijinirea industriilor americane amenintate de criza financiara, cum ar fi
... aia miltara? radmasa.gif
Jigodiile de americani ar trebui lasati sa moara in chinuri, capitalistii ***cenzurat de moderator ***

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@adip: Capitalistii cui ? Atentie la limbaj !!! Momentan un avertisment din asta, necontorizabil !
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post 10 Dec 2008, 06:58
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Pai de, daca n-au fost si ei inspirati sa scoata bara stabilizatoare din dotarile de baza si sa bage faruri cu reglaj manual ...
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post 10 Dec 2008, 08:17
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Si de unde ai tras tu concluzia [maximus] ca ar avea vreo legatura cu Dacia ? Hahaha !


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pai atunci sa revenim la falimentarii de la gm tongue.gif


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Nu cersesc, cer, si aia o sa le dea, eventual de frica..sunt o gramada de teroristi in Arabia Saudita, Kuweit si Qatar ce trebuie anihilati.


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post 10 Dec 2008, 10:47
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QUOTE(aphophis @ 10 Dec 2008, 08:18)
pai atunci sa revenim la falimentarii de la gm tongue.gif
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La cat de falimentar ai fost tu pe forumul GM, iti inteleg disperarea, domnu' "versus" radmasa.gif M-am mirat inital de unde disperarea asta a ta, dar mi-au aratat colegii pana la urma.

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Nu cersesc, cer, si aia o sa le dea, eventual de frica..sunt o gramada de teroristi in Arabia Saudita, Kuweit si Qatar ce trebuie anihilati.
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O concluzie logica. Cred ca mai disperat este guvernul sa nu dea astia faliment decat sunt directorii lor.


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post 10 Dec 2008, 10:52
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corect. cand ramai fara argumente incepi atacurile la persoana. Nenea, vrei nu vrei , gm-ul e falimentar, iar aia cu guvernul disperat e subiect bun de bancuri, pana una alta nu guvernu a cersit bani de la gm ci invers smile.gif


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post 10 Dec 2008, 12:31
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@smailmiami - daca ai ceva cu aphophis eu zic sa o rezolvati in privat sau pe forumul gm de unde banuiesc ca ai sarit parleazul.
Chiar nu ma intereseaza ca pe un topic de stiri sa citesc aberatii de genul dacia vs gm.
Mai toti stim ca aphophis este putin subiectiv dar este unul dintre putinii oameni care ne pune la curent cu ultimele noutati (legate sau nu de dacia). Angoasele tale ma lasa rece si nu sunt singurul de aici care crede asta. Imi cer scuze daca te vei simti jignit dar nu acesta a fost scopul interventiei mele.


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post 10 Dec 2008, 18:03
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Ma intereseaza apophis tot atat cat ma intereseaza GM sau falimenul lui GM, m-a uimit vehementa cu care critica GM peste tot si m-am interesat si eu un pic ce tot are. El a sarit parleazul pe forumul GM, eu nici nu l-am mai prins pe acolo si de-aia e asa ofuscat pe marca GM. Nu m-am simtit jignit de tine, stai linistit. Faptul ca GM sunt in pragul falimentului nu mai este o stire demult si cel mai mult asta loveste in americanii de rand, nu in directorii GM.

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post 10 Dec 2008, 23:56
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pana una alta tine un afis ce arata realizarile gm-ului (printre altii)


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Sincer mi s-a parut de r@h@t faza aia in care ii intreba daca au venit cu un avion comercial sau cu un avionul pus la dispozitie de companie si vezi doamne sa circule cu o cursa comerciala de acum incolo daca vor ajutor. Aici mi se pare ca s-a sarit cu mult calul din partea Administratiei S.U.A.


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Zaaaau... Cersitul de ajutor din partea unor firme private de la stat intr-un stat capitalist n-o fi rusinos...

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In primul rand era vorba de un imprumut. In ce conditii dadeau inapoi banii (pe 1000 de ani) deja cade in planul secund. Si nu face statul nici unei tari politica unei firme private. Am venit sa cer imprumut dar nu imi zici acum si cum sa imi conduc activitatea. Te apuci sa iti dai cu parerea cum sa imi dreg eu bugetul? De asta venisera? Sa ii intrebe pe aiai cum sa foloseasca bugetul?


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Imprumut = "loan". "Bailout" nu prea = imprumut. In plus, sunt liberi sa ia de la banci. Dar cand eu, ca stat, dau bani unei firme private, sunt liber sa ii intreb what I goddamn please.

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Banii sunt cu imprumut, nu da nimeni de pomana. Cand au bagat banii in sistemul financiar, statul american a devenit prorietarul a 70% in medie a fiecarei banci unde a intrevenit. Aia cu bailout-ul e un afis comic daca te uiti mai bine. Firmele au venit cu un plan de redresare, iar statul doar va supraveghea ca el sa fie pus in aplicare, daca il va accepta. Cel mai mult de suferit aici are statul si nu GM sau Ford. Ce este GM ? Este o companie ! Vor suferi directorii sau cladirile ? Nu ! Directorii nu, ca sunt full de banii, cladirile nu, ca betonul nu sufera, deci mai raman angajatii. Indirect, 10% din economia americana este legata de GM, deci aproximativ 20 milioane de angajati, deci de vreo 4 ori mai mult decat populatia salariata a Romaniei. In situatia asta cine este mai disperat ? Este statul american, ala e disperat daca intra GM in faliment nu cum pretind unii pe aici. Statul le-ar da banii si daca aia trimiteau cerea in plic (cum zicea un coleg), iar toate fazele cu umilinta, dezbaterile si venitul cu masini hibride sunt doar show-uri pentru americanul de rand. Asta daca e sa vorbim argumentat ...

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"Aia cu bailout-ul" ... Termenul a aparut cu mult inainte de acel afis. Apoi, daca statul american a devenit proprietarul a 70% din bancile in care a intervenit, alea nu prea mai sunt banci private. Halal capitalism.


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http://www.theage.com.au/national/us-car-g...kn.html?page=-1

US car giants counting the days to bankruptcy
GENERAL Motors and Chrysler are staring down the barrel of bankruptcy before Christmas, potentially costing millions of jobs globally, after US Senate Republicans blocked a $US14 billion ($A21 billion) emergency lifeline for the car industry.
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GM chief executive Rick Wagoner told a congressional committee last week that the company needed $4 billion to survive beyond the end of this month.
Chrysler chief executive Rob Nardelli also warned its position was dire as its sales had slumped more severely than any other company.
Ford is not seeking bail-out funds and chief executive Alan Mullaly has said it is not facing a solvency issue. But it nonetheless supported help for its competitors, warning that because they had common supply chains, it too would be put at risk if one went under.

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post 19 Dec 2008, 20:47
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asa cum am zis, gm a primit mila statului american. In imprumuturi care probabil nu vor fi returnate niciodata.. deci 17,4miliarde de dolari pentru decembrie si ianuarie si alte 4 miliarde pentru februarie.. Sumele de mai sus fiind pentru toti ce 3 mari (gm, ford si chrysler)

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President George W. Bush will doubtlessly be remembered for many things things, but his parting legacy may yet be his eleventh-hour pledge of $17.4 billion in low-interest loans to General Motors and Chrysler (Ford Motor Company has said it does not require relief at this time).

The funding will reportedly come from the Troubled Asset Relief Program (TARP), the financial industry bailout package signed off on this fall. Up front, the White House will earmark $17.4 billion in short-term financing for December and January, and in February, another $4 billion will be disbursed, provided it can draw the funds from the second half of TARP's $700 billion.

More details are doubtlessly coming, but the bridge loans appear to hinge largely on whether General Motors and Chrysler are deemed "viable" enterprises by the government. In the terms of the agreement, that means that the automakers must prove whether they have a "positive net present value, taking into account all current and future costs, and can fully repay the government loan." There's no word yet on how they will prove said viability, but we expect to learn more soon. In the meantime, expect for both General Motors and Chrysler to stick to their previous production suspension announcements.

Politico has more specifics on the bailout here.


http://www.autoblog.com/2008/12/19/breakin...ue-bailout-pac/


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vad ca si la americani se poarta legile cu dedicatie, anunta gm ca vrea sa fabrice baterii pentru volt in detroit, hop apare si legea prin care statul michigan ofera un fel de scutiri de taxe in valoare de vreo 335 de milioane de dolari celor ce produc baterii in stat. La o adica, exact cum e la noi, sunt scutite de taxe pt o zi toate cantitatile de carne de crocozaur ce trec prin punctul de frontiera x

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The U.S. is not exactly a leader in battery production at the moment. Most of the copper tops that power our hybrid cars come from other countries, mostly in Asia. That may soon change. Hot on the heels of General Motors' announcement this week that battery packs for the 2011 Chevy Volt would be built in Michigan with LG Chem, Jennifer Granholm, the state's governor, signed a bill into a law that provides $335 million in refundable tax credits to companies willing to develop and build batteries in the state.

As the U.S. auto market shrinks, no state is hurt worse than Michigan, and Governor Granholm has been doing whatever it takes to keep her state relevant as consumer tastes, the market and the entire industry evolves. She's betting batteries will play a big part in the years to come, and she's probably right. It will be some time, however, before we know if the $335 million bill will be a large enough carrot to attract new business to the region. But at this point, Detroit and Michigan just need a little luster.


http://www.autoblog.com/2009/01/16/michiga...-stimulus-bill/


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Bravo lor. In perioada asta de criza, decat sa dea de lucru altora prin alte tari, prefear sa isi atraga producatorii in tarile de bastina. In felul asta se vor retrage toate companiile care isi deschisesera fabrici si fabricutze in tari precum Romanica si vor da de lucru cetatenilor din propriile tari, atrsi de scutirle astea. Nu inteleg ce nu intelegi.


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vezi mai sus, anunta gm ca face nu stiu ce intr-un loc, hop sar in una doua cu pomenile si oficialii, pomeni care is facute doar pentru respectivii..


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Aha ... Si pe cine dezavantajeaza acest lucru ?


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pe nimeni, pentru ca doar gm exista pe piata radmasa.gif iar miliardele de dolari primite de gm is un maruntis care nu afecteaza deloc concurenta dintre producatori. Ca deh.. toyota sau nissan nu au pilele gm-ului sa primeasca pomeni pe unde produc icon_mrgreen.gif


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Pai sa dea si japonezii, ca au de unde.

Am inteles ca esti anti-americani, dar acum nu ne zapaci si pe noi... laugh.gif

Nu o sa iti mai spun aphophis, iti zic Achmed. icon_mrgreen.gif

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QUOTE(aphophis @ 17 Jan 2009, 00:20)
pe nimeni, pentru ca doar gm exista pe piata  radmasa.gif iar miliardele de dolari primite de gm is un maruntis care nu afecteaza deloc concurenta dintre producatori. Ca deh.. toyota sau nissan nu au pilele gm-ului sa primeasca pomeni pe unde produc icon_mrgreen.gif
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Pai si ce vrei fratioare ?! Sa se uite cum falimenteaza GM-ului si raman milioane de someri doar de dragul concurentei ?! Nu ti se pare ca debitezi numai prostii ?! Daca au posibilitatea sa ii ajute, si mai ales sa ii ajute sa deschida noi unitati de productie in vremurile astea, bravo lor.


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