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post 6 May 2009, 19:31
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Nu stiu cat de buna ar fi ideea, mai ales ca exista nissan pe piata americana. Eu as zice ca mai potrivit ar fi sa existe o colaborare mai buna intre nissan si renault, astfel incat tot mai multe modele renault sa fie vandute sub numele nissan. Mai ales ca uzine nissan sunt acolo, reteaua de dealeri o au, nissan are un renume foarte bun in state.. Toata ideea e insa sa produca masinile acolo, pentru ca masinile produse in ue sunt puternic dezavantajate de cursul dolar-euro.. De asta nu a avut succes opel-ul astra in state (vandut sub brandul saturn), pentru ca desi e o masina destul de reusita, venea la preturi foarte mari din cauza cursului de schimb


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According to a report from the Wall Street Journal, General Motors is working on a deal with Renault to hand over Saturn, providing the French automaker with a "launching pad" to expand into North America. The WSJ's sources say that the deal with GM would allow Renault and its South Korean subsidiary, Samsung Motors, to sell its wares in the States though the existing retailers, possibly marketing the new vehicles as Saturns and building some of the vehicles using the General's underutilized plants. How the deal would flesh out financially remains to be seen, but there's a chance that Renault would acquire Saturn for no cash down – not surprising considering GM said it essentially plans to cancel the brand – but the French automaker would need to take on Saturn's liabilities and production costs. We're not entirely sure how acquiring a brand that could compete with Renault-owned Nissan in the U.S. would be in the best interests of the company overall, not to mention Saturn's track-record of marketing "European" vehicles in North America.


http://www.autoblog.com/2009/05/06/report-...ely-after-saab/


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post 6 May 2009, 19:45
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O vor cumpara pentru a penetra piata Americana cu modele strict Renault wink.gif Astfel, daca Saturn oferea modele de clasa medie si compacta a producatorului Opel, trecerea sub tutela aliantei Renault-Nissan va trece sub forma unei intineriri a brandului si introducerea de modele noi.

Mi se pare o miscare indrazneata, care in timp se poate dovedi mai mult decat profitabila.


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post 6 May 2009, 19:49
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bine insa ca nu vor repeta greseala gm-ului si vor face masinile acolo. Insa eu cred ca in continuare, puteau sa ofere renaulturile ca nissanuri dincolo si cheltuiau mai putin pe marketing, showroomuri, publicitate..


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post 6 May 2009, 20:01
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Nissan in SUA are alt target fata de Renault. Toate Nissanurile sunt adaptate la piata locala, modele de dimensiuni mari si motorizari pe masura. Renault vine ca o alternativa europeana, daca vrei interpretarea vechiului continent asupra conceptului de automobil.

Pana la urma doar schimba emblema Renault-ului cu cea a Satrunului ( cum este QM5 de la Samsung Motors si Koleos).


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post 6 May 2009, 20:38
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Din cate stiu eu Saturn era firma ieftina a lui GM. Un fel de Dacia pentru Renault.
Daca e asa, spune mult despre targhetul lui Renault in State.


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post 6 May 2009, 20:45
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Parerea mea e ca ar fi o gafa, Saturn e mai mult subiect de bancuri in State, decat perceput ca marca serioasa.


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post 6 May 2009, 20:47
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Si dacia era subiect de bancuri in romania si nu numai, insa acu' e destul de bine, ba chiar i-a cam scos din rahat pe renault oarecum. Daca si aia din State se reorienteaza spre masini ieftine, mai stii ce iese?


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post 6 May 2009, 20:57
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QUOTE(klaus @ 6 May 2009, 20:38)
Din cate stiu eu Saturn era firma ieftina a lui GM. Un fel de Dacia pentru Renault.
Daca e asa, spune mult despre targhetul lui Renault in State.
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nu neaparat. Saturn s-a vrut un concurent pentru marcile asiatice. Marca ieftina, cu design tineresc, adresata tinerilor, ce incerca sa ofere o fiabilitate pana peste medie si un comportament superk in service. pana in 2000 le-a tinut figura, insa dupa aia au tinut-o din rebadgeuri in rebadgeuri. Au incercat marea cu degetul cu opel-uri rebrandui-te, care insa fiind facute in europa, erau oferite la preturi nu prea competitive.


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post 6 May 2009, 21:07
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mai bine luau brand-ul pontiac cu cateva milioane si fãceau masinile reno in uzinele nissan ºi le vindeau în dealerii nissan ºi probabil ieºeau mai ieftin pe un viitor apropiat. Au intrat acuma în necunoscut.


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post 6 May 2009, 21:09
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ar fi fost o greseala. Americanii se saturasera de supersportive cu 90 cp icon_mrgreen.gif ca ala de mai jos:

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post 6 May 2009, 22:05
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Parca vezi loganu in state cu sigla saturn


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post 7 May 2009, 07:50
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In ultima vreme vindeau Opeluri rebadged.


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post 7 May 2009, 07:59
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Nu stiu daca au avut curaju' sa bage Corse pe acolo, dar Astra H am tot vazut pe diferite bannere.


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post 7 May 2009, 09:41
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Corsa vindeau la cluburi de golf pe post de caddy... normal ca de la Astra in sus... radmasa.gif


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post 7 May 2009, 10:57
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Ce modele ar putea sa vanda Renault in US?


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post 7 May 2009, 12:19
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sda vezi dupa suparare, daca iese vrun saturn megane la aceiasi bani dar in usd cu ce e acum in euro smile.gif)


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post 7 May 2009, 13:38
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vom vedea daca renault va avea succes, poate baga in state si noul 4*4 de la Dacia. Abia atunci sa vezi ce curg comenzile cu Dacia noastra


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post 7 May 2009, 14:03
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o sa cumpere politia america logan... biggrin.gif. Profit oricum este pe piata SUA datorita nissan-ului.


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post 7 May 2009, 15:07
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QUOTE(adip @ 7 May 2009, 11:57)
Ce modele ar putea sa vanda Renault in US?
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Loganuri/Sanderouri de 1,6 16V. Au si ei saracii lor care poate vor masina noua.


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post 7 May 2009, 15:20
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Pana s-ar vinde ar trebui sa se si faca. Si pana la facut mai e mult. Loganu numa la noi si rusi are trecere cat de cat. Nu stiu daca cei din US l-ar primi bine desi au cultura la sedanuri. Insa Sandero si MCV sigur ar merge. Probabil ca si viitorul SUV. La o adica si ceva utilitare dar putin probabil, doar daca aveau ceva dublu cabina.


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post 7 May 2009, 21:05
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loganul are succes numai la noi si la rusi?
pe ce lume traim oare?


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post 27 May 2009, 20:12
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se pare ca pana la urma saturn va fi preluat de Penske Corporation, http://www.penske.com/ , celebra in motorsportul american. Renault urmand sa le furnizeze masini, prin intermediul filialei sale sud-coreene, samsung. Probabil vom vedea masini samsung rebranduite saturn..

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As the bidding to take over over the Saturn brand from General Motors nears its conclusion, it looks increasingly likely that Roger Penske will walk away with the "prize." Regardless of who takes control, all Penske is slated to receive is a network of dealers and a brand name. GM has already announced it will cease producing new Saturn cars at the end of June 2009, which means the new owner will have to line up another company to provide products for those 380-odd stores. One of the rumors making the rounds is Renault would be a supplier, however, as GM learned trying to import the Astra from Europe, importing cars from the continent is not a viable business plan under current exchange rates. It turns out the supply of vehicles could come from Renault Samsung Motors, the small South Korean maker that's 80% owned by Renault. That's a plan that could be financially viable with vehicles based on shared Renault-Nissan platforms. Hyundai has demonstrated that South Korea can produce quality products and priced aggressively as Saturns.


http://www.autoblog.com/2009/05/26/samsung...ke-owned-satur/


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post 5 Jun 2009, 14:39
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un zvon spune ca in urmatoarele ore se va anunta cumpararea marcii saturn de catre penske. Daca e adevarat, sunt curios daca vor colabora cu renault-nissan.

http://www.leblogauto.com/2009/06/penske-a...ete-saturn.html

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e oficial. Penske a cumparat marca saturn de la gm, reteaua de dealeri si dreptul de a fi aprovizionat pe o perioada determinata cu ce avea in oferta pana acum.

http://investors.penskeautomotive.com/rele...eleaseID=388275

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BLOOMFIELD HILLS, Mich., Jun 05, 2009 (BUSINESS WIRE) -- Penske Automotive Group, Inc. (NYSE:PAG), www.penskeautomotive.com, an international automotive retailer, announced today that is has signed a Memorandum of Understanding ("MOU") with General Motors regarding the Saturn brand.

Under the terms of the MOU, if the transaction is completed, Penske Automotive Group would obtain the rights to the Saturn brand, acquire certain assets including the Saturn parts inventory, and have the right to distribute vehicles and parts through the Saturn Dealership network. General Motors would continue to provide Saturn Aura, Vue and Outlook vehicles, on a contract basis, for an interim period.

"We have agreed upon a framework that we believe will build momentum for the Saturn brand," said Penske Automotive Group Chairman Roger Penske. "Saturn has a passionate customer base and outstanding dealer network. For nearly 20 years Saturn has focused on treating the customer right. We share that philosophy, and we want to build on those strengths."

Saturn began selling cars in 1990 and has sold more than 4 million vehicles. More than 80 percent of those vehicles are still in operation, according to data from R.L. Polk. Saturn has regularly scored among the industry leaders for non-luxury brands in customer satisfaction surveys. Commenting on the proposed deal, Saturn general manager Jill Lajdziak said, "This is the combination of two iconic teams: Saturn and Penske. GM had the vision to create Saturn and has the desire to see it succeed in the future."

Further details of the transaction are not being released at this time. The closing of the transaction is expected to occur during the third quarter of 2009 and is subject to customary conditions, including the completion of due diligence, regulatory and other approvals.


http://investors.penskeautomotive.com/rele...eleaseID=388275

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Patrick Pelata , ceo-ul renault-nissan a confirmat ca grupul e in negocieri cu Penske pentru a aduce masinile grupului in america sub marca saturn, in principal modele facute in coreea de sud


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Remember the rumor that Roger Penske is looking to bring Renault back to America via his recently-procured network of Saturn dealerships? Consider it a rumor no more, as the deed has been confirmed by none other than Renault's chief operating officer Patrick Pelata, who said in a recent interview:

    "He is looking for cars to sell. He has looked at all car makers, and he has seen that Renault has a nice line-up, sharing power trains with Nissan that are obviously adapted to the U.S. market... He's asking us: 'Do you want to sell us cars?' and we are discussing about how to sell him cars."

Considering that Nissan and Renault have plans to share virtually all new engines and Nissan is already well established in the U.S. market, it may make sense for the French automaker to supply Saturn-badged vehicles to Penske once GM stops producing the current Aura, Outlook and Vue models, which could be as early as 2011.

Previous reports indicated the vehicles in question may actually be sourced from Samsung, Renault's Korean subsidiary. According to Pelata, though, "It's an ongoing discussion," and no deals have yet been finalized.


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O prostie. Cand e criza sa spargi banii- o prostie.


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post 1 Aug 2009, 16:35
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pai renault nu prea sparge nimic, penske va risca in mare parte. Creditat probabil de renault


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Fiecare firma este datoare sa se dezvolte, sa se extinda. Acum daca o fac cu cap sau nu, se va vedea in functie de vanzari. Toate firmele constructoare de automobile inregistreaza scaderi de profit si chiar pierderi. Este o situatie nasoala, poate se scot cumva cu exportul in State unde economia incepe sa-si revina....


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gm si crysler s-au extins, s-au extins pana au fost cumparati de fiat si rusi smile.gif

Multe imperii au crapat din cauza intinderii.


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Pai tocmai de aceia am spus ca extinderea trebuie facuta cu cap, nu prin imprumuturi imense care te apasa de cand te-ai extins si apoi intri in faliment. De aceea s-au inventat calculatoarele si sunt destui economistii, contabili care iti calculeaza ce implica o extindere, cheltuieli, investitii, amortizari, profit. Sigur datele nu pot fi foarte exacte pe viitor, insa iti da o idee daca investitia este rentabila sau nu. Dar unii parca fac extinderi fara a lua in calcul astfel de lucruri. Sau o fac din lacomia pt bani, pt piata. Sper sa nu fie la fel si in cazul Renault-ului, ca tot noi vom plati masini mai scumpe daca da chix, se scot marind preturile la Logan si Sandero. dry.gif


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Extindere in criza?

Inseamana sa faci investitii. De unde capital?


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