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post 27 Mar 2007, 22:37
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Face la demaraj DCI pe un MPI pe distanta scurta?

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la reprize probabil ca da dar pe 400m cred ca-castiga mpi


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post 27 Mar 2007, 22:38
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post 27 Mar 2007, 22:41
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Asta am si spus. Ca pe distante scurte.Ca sa definesc distanta scurta= 50 - max 100m. Pe distante mari, clar mpi


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post 27 Mar 2007, 22:42
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Rog un moderator sa modifice titlul. Am vrut sa ma refer strict la dci vs 1.4 mpi


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Pai cum vrei sa afli daca nu faci o liniuta cu un Mpi ...asa fiecare cioara o sa-si laude puiu'


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QUOTE(mad_voly @ 27 Mar 2007, 23:42)
Rog un moderator sa modifice titlul. Am vrut sa ma refer strict la dci vs 1.4 mpi
Si bineinteles sa adauge un HA HA HA in descriere smile.gif
Cum adica sa calculezi demaraj pe 50m cu plecare de pe loc? In care comparative ai vazut tu ca se masoara demaraj / reprize pe o distanta asa mica?

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post 27 Mar 2007, 22:49
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QUOTE(mad_voly @ 27 Mar 2007, 23:42)
Rog un moderator sa modifice titlul. Am vrut sa ma refer strict la dci vs 1.4 mpi
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post 27 Mar 2007, 22:52
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dci de 65 de cai
Din pacate nu sunt adeptul curselor/liniutelor. De asta am si initiat topicul, sa aflu de aici. Asa putea f bine sa fac liniute cu un mpi
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Am si spus. pana in 100 de m.

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post 27 Mar 2007, 23:11
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Iti dau eu raspunsul: MPI e mai vioi decat DCi, chiar si pe distante scurte tot MPI castiga...nu are rost sa intram in detalii.


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post 27 Mar 2007, 23:15
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Nu are rost pt tine poate pt altii are.


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depinde... nu am facut niciodata liniute, nu sunt adeptul curselor, dar m-am dat cu dci-ul unui prieten si am observat ca fata de mpi-ul meu se infige bine in a 2-a, pe cand mpi-ul se infige cel mai bine in a 3a. deci pe distante scurte e discutabila treaba. chiar daca mpi are 10 cai in plus, care pe distanta lunga isi spun cuvantul, dci-ul are cuplu. asa ca pana nu se fac cateva liniute+filmulete degeaba ne certam noi aici.


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post 27 Mar 2007, 23:23
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parca dci-ul te baga mai bine in scaun cand o calci la maxim fata de mpi,pacat ca se plafoneaza cand e distractia mai mare biggrin.gif de-asta zic ca la reprize e mai vioi dci


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post 27 Mar 2007, 23:34
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TWK, la ce turatie schimbai la mpi vs. dci? Daca schimbai la amandoua dupa turometru la 3000 (sau dupa zgomotul interior, mpi-ul nefiind bine antifonata) nu te mira ca dci-ul trage mai bine. Insa dci-ul peste 3500 e cam gata, pe cand la benzina de-abia de acolo in sus incepe distractia.


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post 27 Mar 2007, 23:38
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intr-adevar, la dci schimbam la 3500, si la benzina la 4000, mi-a fost mila sa ii dau mai mult ca doar e a mea. oricum impresia mea este ca dieselul se infige cel mai bine in a 2a, iar benzinarul in a 3a.


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post 27 Mar 2007, 23:42
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Pai vezi? La dci schimbai aproape de turatia de putere maxima, pe cand la a ta nu!
Uita-te ce zice in tabelul de pe http://www.dacia.ro/logan/date-tehnice la regimul de putere maxima.


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post 28 Mar 2007, 00:17
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Ufff.... iarasi un topic de genul care o are mai lunga. Daca se schimba vitezele cum trebuie (adica un pic inainte de limitare), MPI-ul face DCI-ul. Sunt insa curios cum e asta relevant in real life.


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post 28 Mar 2007, 00:41
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QUOTE(mad_voly @ 27 Mar 2007, 23:52)
Din pacate nu sunt adeptul curselor/liniutelor. De asta am si initiat topicul, sa aflu
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Asta va ramane un mister dar daca vrei sa afli cu adevarat fa o liniuta caci altfel topicul asta va continua la nesfarsit fara sa afli un raspuns.


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post 28 Mar 2007, 01:17
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QUOTE(ovidiusoft @ 28 Mar 2007, 00:17)
Ufff.... iarasi un topic de genul care o are mai lunga. Daca se schimba vitezele cum trebuie (adica un pic inainte de limitare), MPI-ul face DCI-ul. Sunt insa curios cum e asta relevant in real life.
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In real life: cu mpi ai reprize bune de la 4000rpm in sus, la dci de la 2500rpm.
Pornind de la premisa de mai sus :
- in afara localitatilor la viteze de peste 60-70Km/h la benzinar poti alege trepta astfel incat sa pici cu turatia peste 4000rpm si dci-ul indiferent de trepta sa nu aiba nici o sansa (75CP > 70CP > 65CP)
- in localitati la viteze de pana in 50Km/h dci-ul accelereaza mult mai bine intr-a II-a decat benzinarul, deoarece nu se mai oboseste nimeni la 30Km/h sa bage benzinarul in trepta I pentru a avea demaraj.


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post 28 Mar 2007, 01:27
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Si fostul meu Oltcit le facea oricum pe toate trei (nu bagam dci-ul in enumerare fiindca nu are rost)! smile.gif


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Eu am mers si cu benzinar si cu DCI, in dreapta e adevarat dar vreau sa spun ca la DCI ma baga in scaun la demaraj, la benzinar nu. Sa nu uitam cuplul la diesel si turbina care ajuta foarte mult. Am ramas placut impresionat de DCI.


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Mie mi s-a parut mai vioi dCi -ul , in mers are reprize foarte bune. La plecare de pe loc e putin puturos in treapta 1 dar isi revine in treapta a 2-a . Acelasi lucru il spunea si cineva mai sus . Pe o distanta de 100 m de pe loc il face 1.4 MPi -ul , parerea mea ... ce se intampla dupa 100 m ... nu stiu.


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post 28 Mar 2007, 09:11
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QUOTE(mad_voly @ 27 Mar 2007, 22:37)
Face la demaraj DCI pe un MPI pe distanta scurta?
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uite aici un test comparativ facut de o revista auto din romania si ai sa vezi aici ca dci-ul sta mai bine ca un benzinar 1.4 pe reprize in treapa 4.
parerea mea ca la demaraj MPI de 1.4 face un dci stock(dar daca dci-ul e remapat la 85CP eu zic ca trece de un 1.4 lejer).




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post 28 Mar 2007, 09:24
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Si daca MPI-ul e remapat la 81CP ce se intampla?

L.E. M-am uitat pe poza. E o mare porcarie.
Asa cum am mai spus: vrei repriza cu MPI-ul intre 60 - 120Km/h pai te folosesti nenica de treapta a III-a ca de asta au pus si treapta aia pe masina.
Aaaaa nu poate DCI-ul cu a III-a pe intervalul ala prea mult si nu iese la comparativ ... nu mai punem atunci si reprizele in a III-a.

Cand ai nevoie de repriza in afara? In depasire? Pai foloseste a III-a atunci si nu o sa se mai planga lumea ca loganarii sunt inceti.

Plus alte nimicuri pe acolo gen: diferente mari intre 1.4 si 1.6 nu sunt. Pai cred si eu daca au mers subturat cu amandoua.

Am 1.4 MPI si dupa un an jumate cred ca ii cunosc posibilitatile: si la 60Km/h in a V-a si la 5500- 6000rpm in I-a, a II-a si a III-a.

P.S. Fratele meu a vrut sa isi ia si el un Laureate plus, dar i-am sugerat un Ambition DCI, ceea ce si a facut. wink.gif

P.P.S. Pentru astia cu SN. M-a enervat unul cu un logan 1.4 odata cand eram cu SN prietenei. Nu va mai zic de "macel" ... biggrin.gif

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Revista aia nu e buna nici de hartie igienica ca te zgarie cu cifrele alea ....de citit nici pe departe.Cum dreaq la reprize 60-100 dci-ul e mai tare si decat 1,6......SUPERCAR te rog eu nu mai aduce argumente de ,,gradinita" ca nu isi au rostul aici unde sunt posesori si de 1,4 1,5 1,6 care stiu ce poate motorul fiecaruia!!!!!!!


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Eu am observat urmatorul fenomen (si va rog sa nu-mi spuneti de paranormal ca incerc sa fiu serios).

Daca merg cu masina in oras parca devine mai lenesa in demaraj. Insa si consumul scade. Odata ce ies cu ea in afara, parca demarajul devine mai bun. (sa zicem ca 'isi da drumul'). Acuma, ati observat acest comportament si daca da, care-o fi explicatia ? (am 12k km)

Cred ca mai erau pe undeva niste post-uri despre asta, dar nu le gasesc acum.


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