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post 29 Jun 2011, 09:04
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Findca e mai ieftin si ramane si cu 3 stele-n cap
Ghinion atunci, nu o sa ajunga niciodata CIFRELE vanzarile masinilor low-cost din istorie. Alea erau ieftine la vremea lor, dar erau up-2-date cu tehnologia.

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post 29 Jun 2011, 09:50
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poate nici nu vor sa faca cifre de vanzari foarte mari, ci mai degraba profit.
Renault a facut o masina pentru pietele emergente, avand dotarile strict necesare inglobate intr-o tehnologie ieftina, care este amortizata demult dpdv costuri, cu scopul de a avea profit frumos. Si le-a reusit.

N-are interes sa faca dacia cu tehnologie renault si cu pret de renault.

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post 30 Jun 2011, 09:20
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Cand ziceam de cifre, ma referam si la profit, nu doar la numar de unitati.
Referitor la tehnologie, am spus-o si o mai repet. Poti sa construiesti o masina cu solutii de generatie noua, dar construite ieftin. Acelasi metal sau plastic, doar cu alte forme. Duster nu este cu nimic diferit de Logan, dar pretul este dublu.

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post 30 Jun 2011, 11:46
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De ce să construiești ceva care să te coste xxxx euro când poți folosi tehnologie mai veche și să te coste xxxx-1 euro. Și tu să vinzi la fel?


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post 30 Jun 2011, 11:50
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a se vedea toyota aia lowcost, care inafara de niste chestii care cel mai probabil vor fi sub solutiile loganului 2, nici ei nu cred ca au realizat o corolla undercover data la pret de dumping.


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post 30 Jun 2011, 12:26
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Și așa au marjă de profit suficientă…

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post 30 Jun 2011, 12:28
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QUOTE(ssilviu @ 30 Jun 2011, 12:46)
De ce să construiești ceva care să te coste xxxx euro când poți folosi tehnologie mai veche și să te coste xxxx-1 euro. Și tu să vinzi la fel?
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Pardon? Costurile sunt identice, nu am spus mai multe piese.


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a se vedea toyota aia lowcost, care inafara de niste chestii care cel mai probabil vor fi sub solutiile loganului 2, nici ei nu cred ca au realizat o corolla undercover data la pret de dumping.
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post 30 Jun 2011, 12:31
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ironick-ule si cum se poate ca toyota dupa 6 ani de la lansarea loganului sa scoata o masina care are o gramada de solutii lowcost ca loganul si nu foarte multe in plus? Desi, cica e toyota, mama ranitilor & shit? wink.gif


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post 30 Jun 2011, 12:40
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QUOTE(aphophis @ 30 Jun 2011, 13:31)
are o gramada de solutii lowcost ca loganul si nu foarte multe in plus?
Care sunt alea?


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post 30 Jun 2011, 12:48
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am pus intr-un topic pe aici, multe citite pe un forum indian. Multi ziceau pe acolo ca e doar un logan copiat si cosmetizat.

http://www.daciaclub.ro/index.php?showtopi...dpost&p=2805637

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post 30 Jun 2011, 12:55
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QUOTE(IRONICK @ 30 Jun 2011, 13:28)
Pardon? Costurile sunt identice, nu am spus mai multe piese.
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Ce costuri sunt identice? De dezvoltare? De punere in producție? De testare? De producție? Le știi tu pe toate astea? Chiar și în condiții de costuri totale identice, if is not broken, why fix it? wink.gif


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post 30 Jun 2011, 13:10
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Vrei un exemplu de costuri? Sa ia un angajat rtr (proaspat absolvent) si se pune la simulat pana ii da ce vrea sa rezulte francezul (sa zicem rezistenta/cantitate metal/etc..). La Duster sunt exemple destule de repere. Costuri? Salariu 2000RON/lunar, apa plata de la fantana si curentul consumat la pc.


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post 30 Jun 2011, 13:14
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Din fericire deciziile nu se iau la nivelul ăsta ierarhic al proaspătului absolvent.


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post 30 Jun 2011, 13:22
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QUOTE(IRONICK @ 30 Jun 2011, 13:10)
Vrei un exemplu de costuri? Sa ia un angajat rtr (proaspat absolvent) si se pune la simulat pana ii da ce vrea sa rezulte francezul (sa zicem rezistenta/cantitate metal/etc..). La Duster sunt exemple destule de repere. Costuri? Salariu 2000RON/lunar, apa plata de la fantana si curentul consumat la pc.
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inchipuie-ti ca indianul care a proiectat i20-ul de la hyundai de exemplu are mai putin pe luna. Care-i faza? Ca sunt unii platiti prost?


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post 30 Jun 2011, 13:23
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Eh, vedem doar ce vrem. Că dă bine. Imaginea de ansamblu o lăsăm la alții ...


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QUOTE(aphophis @ 30 Jun 2011, 14:22)
inchipuie-ti ca indianul care a proiectat i20-ul de la hyundai de exemplu are mai putin pe luna.
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Faptul ca e platit mai prost nu inseamna ca puterea lui de cumparare e mai mica.
Asta asa, economic vorbind.


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QUOTE(ssilviu @ 30 Jun 2011, 14:23)
Eh, vedem doar ce vrem. Că dă bine. Imaginea de ansamblu o lăsăm la alții ...
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inchipuie-ti ca indianul care a proiectat i20-ul de la hyundai de exemplu are mai putin pe luna. Care-i faza? Ca sunt unii platiti prost?
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Nu, doar costurile de proiectare sunt mici pentru o masina din clasa low-cost. Mai mult costa sa o rulezi ...

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Lasand la o parte micile scapari ... pe mine ma distreaza cat de deformata/disproportionata este masina vazuta de sus. Nu este prima dtaa cand o vad asa, dar ma bufneste rasul de fiecare data.
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Desi seamana, da te uiti mai atent nu gasesti nici un artificiu tehnic care sa iti creeze impresia ca este o struto-camila. Are alte proportii in dreptul aripilor, geamurilor, capotei, farurilor sau haionului care sa iti creeze impresia ca este deformata.

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post 9 Sep 2011, 18:05
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Dusterul lui Squirrel de mai sus ...


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post 9 Sep 2011, 18:57
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QUOTE(IRONICK @ 9 Sep 2011, 17:05)
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QUOTE(zanzie @ 9 Sep 2011, 19:05)
Noul duster?  ohmy.gif


daca ajungea asa ceva pe masa sefului de proiect de la Renault, ii dadea cu "NO GO" instantaneu laugh.gif


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Eternity Motors Hemera in Frankfurt
19 August 2011
The timing of the crisis is still hard to believe that someone can “worry” about to launch a new brand of luxury sports car. And it happens in the country with the population density of motors passionate highest in the world: England. So at the Frankfurt Motor Show (15-25 September) will be presented a new brand called Eternity Motor London, because it is in the City should do the basic English and the new factory.

What is it? No anticipation is currently unavailable, but a sketch that reveals the carrozzerria a crossover and the name “Hemera”, accompanied by a claim to say the least ambitious: “a world without limits.”




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British based Eternity Motors has finally released more images of the anticipated luxury vehicle previously teased as Hemera, a car with muscle power looking so stunning at a glance. The Company hasn’t revealed much about the vehicle other than the new images ahead of Frankfurt Auto Show.

The Eternity motors has previously stated that the Hemera “is based on the latest generation of the best large SUV platform available, which will undergo a chassis-up rebuild, with a new, repackaged interior, carbon-composite body panels and additional performance”.

It seems that the Hemera is based on an existing vehicle platform–most likely a Porsche Cayenne–and designed to go up against the likes of a planned Aston Martin Lagonda crossover and a new ‘Super-SUV’ from Bowler.

The Hemera will sport a limousine-like rear cabin, with twin electric reclining seats, iPads and a drinks chiller, while the SUV will be motivated by a 620bhp engine offering a top speed in excess of 180mph or 289km/h.

The company also released a short teaser video for the Hemera, you  can watch the Hemera teaser video after the break. Production of the Hemera is expected to begin 2012. Anyway, we should hear more about the Hemera soon, so stay tuned for the update.


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Un articol in romana pentru suv-ul de mai sus:

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