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post 13 Sep 2013, 21:56
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Acolo este într-adevăr o altă mașină, în timp ce la Duster vorbim doar de un facelift !

P.S Când au lansat Logan II sau noul MCV țin minte că au anunțat și prețurile, așa că nu pare o regulă generală la Dacia să le comunice după încheierea Salonului unde sunt prezentate modele noi !

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post 13 Sep 2013, 22:45
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Noul MCV parca a fost prezentat in premiera la salonul auto in Martie, iar preturile pentru Romania au fost anuntate abia la sfaristul lunii mai, deci cam dupa 2 luni... Asa ca e posibil sa aflam preturile abia in Noiembrie...


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post 14 Sep 2013, 22:29
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post 14 Sep 2013, 22:53
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post 14 Sep 2013, 23:18
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QUOTE(Squirrel @ 14 Sep 2013, 22:29)
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Why change it?


"De ce schimba?" translate google


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post 15 Sep 2013, 01:16
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dp siteul de mai sus

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Mai multe echipamente la acelasi pret: Dacia Media Nav, regulator si limitator de viteza, asistenta la parcarea cu spatele, sistem de control al traiectoriei (ASR-ESP) disponibil in echiparea standard, o evolutie la nivelul calitatii percepute, un design nou si o modularitate imbunatatita


deci Duster nou la acelasi pret cu Duster vechi biggrin.gif


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post 15 Sep 2013, 10:27
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...pt aceleasi motorizari... dar pt 1,2? wink.gif


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post 15 Sep 2013, 11:41
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In mod normal ar trebui sa fie mai ieftin 1.2 T decat versiunile diesel cel putin la aceleasi dotari zic, cam asa vad ca este cel putin in gama renault


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post 15 Sep 2013, 18:58
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Aici zice ca 1.2TCE doar pt versiunile 4x2.


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post 15 Sep 2013, 19:22
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Da, si AICI se sugereaza acelasi lucru... Daca e adevarat, e vorba lui Caragiale: "Curat murdar, coane Fanica, sa traiti!" I-o duce mintea sa lase motorizarea de varf asa, schioapa?


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post 16 Sep 2013, 07:21
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Posibil sa fie doar o interpretare gresita a informatiilor oficiale. Consumul mixt de 6 litri/100km a fost calculat pentru versiunea 4x2, si de aici poate unii au tras concluzia ca acest motor va fi disponibil doar pt 4x2.

Totusi, in offroad este nevoie de cuplu mare la turatii joase (inca de la 1000rpm), si nu sunt convins ca 1.2TCE ar face fata la fel de bine ca 1.6 16v.


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post 16 Sep 2013, 08:16
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QUOTE(montañes @ 14 Sep 2013, 23:18)
Why change it?
"De ce schimba?" translate google
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De ce sa o schimbi ?
sau
De ce sa o schimbam ?

Depinde de interpretare.

Mi se pare ca 1.2 TCe are cuplul mai jos ca 1.6 16v [din cauza turbinei].


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post 16 Sep 2013, 10:52
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Why change the exhaust outlet.
I donŽt speak romanian


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post 17 Sep 2013, 14:03
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QUOTE(diesel_power @ 16 Sep 2013, 07:21)
Totusi, in offroad este nevoie de cuplu mare la turatii joase (inca de la 1000rpm), si nu sunt convins ca 1.2TCE ar face fata la fel de bine ca 1.6 16v.
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Afirmatia ta mi-a parut ca merita o analiza mai atenta, desi discutia cuplului la 1000rpm mi se pare irelevanta, pentru ca demarajul la relanti sau mersul in regim subturat nu sunt practici obisnuite de condus.

NOTA: Multumesc colegului Dil ca m-a tras de atentie, bateam campii masurand cupluri pe curbele de putere.

Deci,, am comparat valorile cuplului la turatii joase din diagramele cuplu/putere ale urmatoarelor motoare: 1,5dCi 90Cp, 1,6 16v 105 Cp, 1,2 Tce 115Cp, 1,2Tce 130 Cp.

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La 1000rpm, toate cele 4 motoare, cum bine a observat colegul Dil, au cuplu de cca 110 Nm.

La 1500 rpm avem:

- 1,5 dCi 90: cca 200 Nm

- 1,6 16v 105: cca 125 Nm

- 1,2 Tce 115: cca 163 Nm

- 1,2 Tce 130: cca 187 Nm

Tce-ul 125 pus pe Duster ar trebui sa dea cca 175-180Nm la 1500rpm.

Deci, nu se pune problema ca 1,2 TCe 125Cp in versiunea 4x4 sa "traga" masina inferior lui 1,6 16v, indiferent de regimul de turatie.

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post 17 Sep 2013, 14:23
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Nu inteleg ce ai interpolat tu. Vezi ca diagramele pornesc de la 1000rpm.
La 1000 rpm ai aprox 110 Nm la toate motoarele analizate.

Cred ca ai incurcat curbele din grafic.


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post 18 Sep 2013, 11:21
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post 18 Sep 2013, 13:55
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Multumim pentru poze.
M-am tot uitat, si la faruri, si la stopuri... etc...

Intrebarea este: a fost modificata vreun pic forma vreunei componente de tabla ? Mie mi se pare ca toata tablaria e IDENTICA.
Ba mai mult, chiar si bara fata/spate mi se pare la fel... Imi scapa mie vreun detaliu ?


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post 18 Sep 2013, 14:23
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Si mie mi se pare aceeasi tablaria si barele. Aceeasi aerodinamica de sifonier.


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post 18 Sep 2013, 14:38
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Eh, orice SUV are aerodinamică de șifonier. smile.gif

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post 18 Sep 2013, 15:06
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QUOTE(VladSoare @ 18 Sep 2013, 14:38)
Eh, orice SUV are aerodinamică de șifonier. smile.gif
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Gresit! Sunt SUV-uri cu aerodinamica mult mai buna decat loganu. Toyota RAV4 generatia veche are 0.31Cx


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post 18 Sep 2013, 15:18
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Nu că Loganul ar fi un model de aerodinamică... tongue.gif
Acuma bine, or mai fi și cîteva excepții pe care le numeri pe degete, dar alea cu formă de frigider pe roți sînt majoritare.


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post 18 Sep 2013, 15:54
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post 18 Sep 2013, 16:17
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G are o scuza!

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post 22 Sep 2013, 10:02
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fiabilitate Duster dupa 100.000 km

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Ce pareri exista despre acest motor?
Eu urmaresc aparitia noului Nissan Qashqai si se vehiculeaza ca ar primi un motor 1.2 de 120 cai si 190Nm.


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QUOTE(kmeleonu3 @ 23 Sep 2013, 00:24)
Ce pareri exista despre acest motor?
Eu urmaresc aparitia noului Nissan Qashqai si se vehiculeaza ca ar primi un motor 1.2 de 120 cai si 190Nm.
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pai intreba si tu la WC.... vezi daca li-se mai rupe biela in testele de fiabilitate de pe bancul motor


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post 23 Sep 2013, 11:23
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Intr-adevar, chestii grave, patinajul ambreiajului la dCi sugereaza o subdimensionare fata de cerintele regimului de functionare proiectat al masinii.

Povestea cu uleiul de cutie de viteze necompletat in fabrica nu e noua pentru mine, cand am facut schimbul la MCV am gasit cu cca 400 ml mai putin decat a intrat, si mi s-a intamplat la ambele MCV-uri (fosta si actuala).

Transmisia cazuta la 33000km? Asta pare mai greu de crezut, ar fi urlat sectiunea Duster pe forum de s-ar fi auzit la cer...


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Aceleasi probleme ca in testul de anduranta de la Auto Bild. Bine, revista franceza e din acelasi grup de presa, dar in poza e alta masina, deci presupun ca si francezii au facut testul. Chiar asa varza sa fie Dusterele astea, ca am 2 cunoscuti cu asa ceva, ambele diesel 4x4, si n-au avut nicio problema pana acum. E drept, n-au 100.000 de km...Asta in timp ce in trustul ce detine revistele astea, 2 Dustere din 2 sunt praf.

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