Outline · [ Standard ] · Linear+ LPG, Any expiriences?

Boris, if you didn't do it already - write an e-mail to vocea.clientului@daciagroup.com, and ask them what happens to the warranty. AFAIK, in Romania the official position from Dacia is that if you install LPG you loose warranty for the engine & electrical circuit. Typically, the company that installed LPG will offer you a warranty but that is maybe not the same with the warranty offered by Dacia, you should check the conditions.

Boris, if you didn't do it already - write an e-mail to vocea.clientului@daciagroup.com, and ask them what happens to the warranty. AFAIK, in Romania the official position from Dacia is that if you install LPG you loose warranty for the engine & electrical circuit. Typically, the company that installed LPG will offer you a warranty but that is maybe not the same with the warranty offered by Dacia, you should check the conditions.

Agrum? It's Agram, Agram

Yes,it`s Agram,sorry.
My memory has started not to serve me well

Boris, if you didn't do it already - write an e-mail to vocea.clientului@daciagroup.com, and ask them what happens to the warranty. AFAIK, in Romania the official position from Dacia is that if you install LPG you loose warranty for the engine & electrical circuit. Typically, the company that installed LPG will offer you a warranty but that is maybe not the same with the warranty offered by Dacia, you should check the conditions.

Thanks vv,

I've sent the mail but there's still no answer. I'0ll wait some more, and maybe send another one.

Boris, if you didn't do it already - write an e-mail to vocea.clientului@daciagroup.com, and ask them what happens to the warranty. AFAIK, in Romania the official position from Dacia is that if you install LPG you loose warranty for the engine & electrical circuit. Typically, the company that installed LPG will offer you a warranty but that is maybe not the same with the warranty offered by Dacia, you should check the conditions.

Still no answer


I guess that they have better things to deal with.

Still no answer


I guess that they have better things to deal with.

I also wrote (for another question) but never get answer. So, ask your local dealer.
At least, local dealer (or service) will maintance yor car.

I also wrote (for another question) but never get answer. So, ask your local dealer.
At least, local dealer (or service)  will maintance yor car.

I went to the dealer on another matter and now he says that they have got speciffic instrucions from the factory that the varranty is void if LPG is installed.

I think that Renault should change it's policy, I know that some other manufacturers offer installation of LPG at the local LPG mechanics, and the warranty stays. I don't see any possible benefit for Renault this way, it's all the same for them.

As far as I know, LPG on the car voids the warranty in Romania too. You should have asked first!

As far as I know, LPG on the car voids the warranty in Romania too. You should have asked first!

Fist off all I did not install the LPG yet.

Second, I did aks first. I have asked the dealer three times. The first two answers where that the warranty is not void, and the third answer was that it is. In the mean time I have asked Dacia allso, and got no answer what so ever, not even "Go to hell!".

So I did try to inform myself.

For now the decision is to keep driving on gasoline until the warranty expires, right now I have some other quite large expences. I have bought a flat and I have to redecorate it completely, so the LPG will wait.

This post has been edited by Boris: 8 Dec 2005, 10:53

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Congratulations Boris, the flat is a much better choice . And good luck with the craftsmen, I don't know how it is in Croatia, but in Romania it's a lot of trouble......

This post has been edited by vv: 9 Dec 2005, 14:28

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Congratulations Boris, the flat is a much better choice . And good luck with the craftsmen, I don't know how it is in Croatia, but in Romania it's a lot of trouble......

Thanks!

For now I plan to do most of the work myself, the craftsmen are a problem here allso

In Bucharest you can buy a Mistral LPG instalation at 700 Euro, but you loose the engine warranty. But , from the taxi driver experience,you don't have problems.

This post has been edited by llaure: 13 Dec 2005, 19:12

Fist off all I did not install the LPG yet.

Second, I did aks first. I have asked the dealer three times. The first two answers where that the warranty is not void, and the third answer was that it is. In the mean time I have asked Dacia allso, and got no answer what so ever, not even "Go to hell!".

So I did try to inform myself.

For now the decision is to keep driving on gasoline until the warranty expires, right now I have some other quite large expences. I have bought a flat and I have to redecorate it completely, so the LPG will wait.

For information: When I was interested to by Logan 1.6mpi with LPG, I ask diler in Novi Sad, for a warranty issue. He sad that I can buy Loggy with LPG preinstalled in ther servise centar, or drive some time and when I collect all the money I can install in ther service with no risk for warranty. Price here in Novi Sad is 1200€ in diler service, in other services is 900€ so calculate if your warrany is worth 300€. If you have few months to finish your warranty maybe you can mount LPG, and void warranty? Just for sugestion.

I the end I ordered Logan 1.5dci Lauret pack, and still waiting for him to come from Romania. Diler said it will be between 20-25 decembar.

Diler said it will be between 20-25 decembar.

That should be a good Christmas present!

That should be a good Christmas present! 

I hope so that Santa will remember mi family...

i have MPI logan, but if i could decide wich to buy, i should buy an LPG version,not dCi

Gas is cheap (around 0,45 euros per liter) and eurodiesel (with all problems with founding it) is 0,90 euros in serbia

Gas is cheap (around 0,45 euros per liter) and eurodiesel (with all problems with founding it) is 0,90 euros in serbia

It does not matter, the gas is cheap but the engine consumption is higher, and the eurodiesel is expensive but the engine consumption is lower. So..., you get about the same price per Km!

LPG = Diesel, as long the LPG is about half of the eurodiesel price you get the same mileage.

This post has been edited by DFA: 15 Dec 2005, 09:44

It does not matter, the gas is cheap but the engine consumption is higher, and the eurodiesel is expensive but the engine consumption is lower. So..., you get about the same price per Km!

LPG = Diesel, as long the LPG is about half of the eurodiesel price you get the same mileage.

Not true, the higher fuel consumptio with LPG should allso be considered. Here in Croatia the gasoline and LPG price ratio was cca 2,5 until recently. The consumption with LPG is cca 10% higher.

Not true, the higher fuel consumptio with LPG should allso be considered.

Yes, i know and i said the same thing in my post!

the gas is cheap but the engine consumption is higher

You have about the same economy either with LPG or Diesel, if the LPG is about 35-40% of the price of eurodiesel.
Once the LPG is more expensive than that, the Diesel is cheaper (if the price of eurodiesel remains the same...).

LPG - lower cost per liter - higher consumption
Diesel - higher cost per liter - lower consumption

Those two solutions balances themselvs as long as the price of the LPG remains.

Yes, i know and i said the same thing in my post!

I know you did but apparently my post was not clear.

What I wanted to say is:"I know that the fuell consumption difference should allso be considered, but the price difference is ...."

And at the end: I think that the LPG price is much more stable that gasoline or diesel.

This post has been edited by Boris: 15 Dec 2005, 13:21

I think that the LPG price is much more stable that gasoline or diesel.

Maybe, but LPG is a derivated product from petrol, so...

diesel is not?

what is a diesel? hahah

LPG is cheap because his price not include same taxes like eurodiesel. production cost is lower from euodiesel. rentability of LPG is a result of statal politics of taxes.

Petrochemical companies hardly make any money from the sale of LPG, but to burn it would mean that they would have to pay for the CO2 they emit. Breaking even is better than losing money.
Have you seen a LPG powered train Locomotive?

i have MPI logan, but if i could decide wich to buy, i should buy an LPG version,not dCi

Gas is cheap (around 0,45 euros per liter) and eurodiesel (with all problems with founding it) is 0,90 euros in serbia

I was think abouth bouth solutions more then 100 times Logan 16.mpi/LPG and vs. Logan 1.5dci. Results are:

1. LPG is cheeper then euro diesel

2. Lonan with LPG have more horese power than 1.5 dci version

3. Autonomy (max kilometars per thank of gasoline+lpg = max kilometars per thank of diesel) is abouth the same, buth in that case diesel is cheeper.
Calculation for city driving:

1.6 MPI+LPG VERSION (50 tank in shape of spare weel)
76,60 dinars X 50 Litars Gasoline = 3830 dinars = around 500 km
38,00 dinars X 50 litars of LPG = 1900 dinars = around 450 km
Total = 5730 dinars = around 950 km

1.5 DCI
71,00 dinars X 50 Litars = 3550 dinars = around 900 km

5. In LPG version you have loose some space od trunck, even if you by 50 l tank in shape of spare weel. In Desel version you dont' loose any space of trunck.

6. I have 3 kids (all are boys) and I realy need lot of space in trunck (bicycles, baby weelchair...)

7. and MOST important, my wife is (unfarilly, I know) very scared to drive car with gas, because her father had some unpleasend expiriance with LPG.

So I have decide to by 1.5 dci version. I have driven Diesel cars for 6 years and never had biger problems with it.

P.S. Sorry for calculation in dinars Exchange rate to day is 1€= 87.11 dinars

1.6 MPI+LPG VERSION (50 tank in shape of spare weel)
                76,60 dinars X 50 Litars Gasoline = 3830 dinars = around 500 km
                38,00 dinars X 50 litars of LPG = 1900 dinars = around 450 km
                                                        Total =  5730 dinars = around 950 km

1.5 DCI
                71,00 dinars X 50 Litars = 3550 dinars = around 900 km

5. In LPG version you have loose some space od trunck, even if you by 50 l tank in shape of spare weel. In Desel version you dont' loose any space of trunck.

Your calculation means that gasoline version spend 10l/100km of fuel

I have logan 1.4 and avarage fuel consumation was never over 8l, usualy abot 7l.
When I was on the 400km trip avarage consumation was 4.7l/100km.

So that your calculation of expanses does not stand, because you calculated that diesel spends 5.1l/100km and I think that it spend that only in ideal condition, I think that it would be betwean 6-7l/100km.

So I really don't understand such a difference with your calculation.

Because you took the worst case scenario (and much above worst case consumptation) for gasoline version and LPG version and the best possible consumptation in diesel version!

This post has been edited by look: 16 Dec 2005, 18:26

I was think ...

3.Autonomy is higher with LPG
No way 10l/100km
Maximum gas level is 80 % of tank`s volume
4. Where is No 4?
6. Similar, but mine third is daughter, thanks Gods & Goddesses…
7. My so-called wife doesn`t drive and the things will remain the same...

So, LPG is now 1100 € in Serbia, with warranty …
Still don`t like LPG

This post has been edited by mccoy: 16 Dec 2005, 20:47

3.Autonomy is higher with LPG 
    No way 10l/100km 
    Maximum gas level  is 80 % of tank`s volume 
4. Where is No 4?
6. Similar, but mine third is daughter, thanks Gods & Goddesses…
7. My so-called wife doesn`t drive and the things will remain the same...

So, LPG is now 1100 € in Serbia, with warranty …
Still  don`t like LPG 

3. I was writhing with data given by official dealer of Dacia Integra Motors, also I was write abouth city driving. They say averige consumption of 1.6mpi in city driving is 10l. that was my "theoretical thinking". I have also spoke with taxi drivers wich have Lohan 1.6 mpi with LPG and consumption is in city between 8,5-10l but more offten is 9-9.5l of gas, and they sware to me that consumption is aloust the same with gasolin and LPG.

4. I lost somewhere

6. Now we have a football team (on serbian: za fucu na male golove)

7. My wife is driving and she knows what she doesent like, but some times she doesent know what she like. (that is on color choose)

first and MOST important thing in Serbia about LPG and dCi:

* Number of LPG GAS STATIONS? (enormous, within 1 year number is a minimum doubled)

and allmoust allways you can get LPG, not on first but on a second station without problems

* QUALITY of EURODIESEL and time when you can get EURODIESEL?

as you know, often restrictions of eurodiesel supply in serbia are normal. quality of it is on LOWEST level because in serbia you cannot import an SHELL or BP high quality eurodiesel. You must buy petrol and give it to NIS (national petrochemy industry in serbia) and then they make eurodiesel in oil company with bad quality eurodiesel.

importing of finished petrol derivats (leaded or unleaded gas,D2, eurodiesel or other) is strictly prohibited by goverment law

water or sumpor in eurodiesel is a KILLING stuf for high pressure pump in dCi engine

first and MOST important thing in Serbia about LPG and dCi:

* Number of LPG GAS STATIONS? (enormous, within 1 year number is a minimum doubled)

and allmoust allways you can get LPG, not on first but on a second station without problems

* QUALITY of EURODIESEL and time when you can get EURODIESEL?

as you know, often restrictions of eurodiesel supply in serbia are normal. quality of it is on LOWEST level because in serbia you cannot import an SHELL or BP high quality eurodiesel. You must buy petrol and give it to NIS (national petrochemy industry in serbia) and then they make eurodiesel in oil company with bad quality eurodiesel.

importing of finished petrol derivats (leaded or unleaded gas,D2, eurodiesel or other) is strictly prohibited by goverment law

water or sumpor in eurodiesel is a KILLING stuf for high pressure pump in dCi engine

You are right! But, read 7, in my first post. And I drive more then 35000 by year, so only solution was dCi.

Firstly I was manage to make agreement of 1.6mpi+LPG, and when we was in dealer office (to make contract and pay ), she (my wife) ask dealer when Diesel version will be available, after his answer you know how thing was happen ...

For one who drives more than 35 000 km by year,
has got three kids and such determined, or should I say headstrong wife
the choice of dCi version is natural.
Congrats on Laureat Pack level, hope you`ll get Michelin tyres…