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post 16 Jan 2009, 16:06
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masini cu motorizari de 1.2 mai sunt
2 exemple im vin in minte acum fiat stilo si astra g


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post 16 Jan 2009, 16:16
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Diferentele de performante se vad in forma curbei de cuplu. Cuplul maxim o fi cam la fel, dar e pe o portiune mai ingusta.
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post 16 Jan 2009, 16:23
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ibiza de 1.2 avea 65cp si tot mergea..


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post 16 Jan 2009, 16:28
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avantajul 16v e puterea in plus, daca merge Loganul de 1,4 cu roti de 15 merge si Sandero de 1,2, mai ales ca puterea si cuplul sunt similare.

A..am fost eu cu un Opel corsa 1 litru, 3 cilindri si 12 V, cu roti de 14 si e vioi, trage destul de bine pentru 1 litru.


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post 16 Jan 2009, 16:30
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noul symbol 1.2 16v
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in cifre arata bine


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post 16 Jan 2009, 16:30
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QUOTE(daciafan @ 16 Jan 2009, 16:06)
astra g
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eu nu stiam decat de 1.4 la astrag.

puteai sa zici polo/fabia smile.gif


EDIT: vorbesc prostii, se pare ca exista si astra smile.gif

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post 16 Jan 2009, 16:34
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poate ca e de generatie mai noua decat 1,4 defapt sunt sigur ca e de generatie mai noua si asa poate e si mai fiabil asta "mic".


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post 16 Jan 2009, 17:26
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QUOTE(daciafan @ 17 Jan 2009, 01:30)
noul symbol 1.2 16v
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Urban  7.7
Alta benzinara cu consum liliputan huh.gif Pacat ca-s soferii prosti si nu reusesc sa le scoata mai jos de 10 radmasa.gif


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post 16 Jan 2009, 17:45
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Din ce am citit intr-un articol, Sandero cu 1.2 16v va fi mai ieftin decat Sandero 1.4 8v.
Consumul 1.2 16v este mai mic decat cel de la 1.4 8v, performantele sunt apropiate (cu un plus pt 1.4). Eu cred ca o sa isi gaseasca clienti destui 1.2 16v deoarece:
- pret de achizitie mai mic
- consum mai bun
- casco mai mic
- rca mai mic
- impozit mai mic
- motor mai modern, (probabil) mai silentios.

In legatura cu discutia 15 inchi - 14 inch: Chiar nu conteaza asa mult dimensiunea jantei, ci a rotii cu totul. Asa ca nu e nicio afacere sa pui jante pe 14 si cauciucuri cu talon mai mare. Iar ca sa pui roti cu diametrul mai mic nu e o afacere, masina o sa arate urat si o sa piarda din garda la sol.

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http://www.stiriauto.ro/articol/5460/Dacia...euro-in-Olanda/
http://www.promotor.ro/noutati-auto-masini...v-75-cp-3744899

Bafta!

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post 16 Jan 2009, 18:27
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QUOTE(driverx @ 16 Jan 2009, 11:36)
iar la taxe un 1.4 nu e nu stiu ce mai scump.
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QUOTE(driverx @ 16 Jan 2009, 16:04)
Ce taxe ma? Ce taxe platesti tu mult mai mult sa se justifice 1 litru in plus (asta daca si faci ceva km intr-un an, nu 2000 km)
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Sandero 1,2 nu este destinat in principal pietei romanesti. In Olanda e o mare diferenta de taxe, se plateste in functie de capacitatea cilindrica (parca) si greutate. De ce s-a lansat acolo prima data acest model? (eu cel putin asa am inteles)

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post 16 Jan 2009, 18:43
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Alta masina cu motor de 1,2 este si Clio3 tongue.gif
Oare vor renunta la motorul de 1,4 8v pina la urma, sau este doar o imbogatirea a gamei de motorizare...


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post 16 Jan 2009, 21:17
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Sandero e masina de oras, deci motorul acesta e perfect. In treptele 2,3 nu e nevoie de cine stie ce cuplu pentru un demaraj decent.


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post 16 Jan 2009, 21:24
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ce emisii va avea? poate ca pun acest motor pentru a fi mai usor de trecut pe euro5..


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post 16 Jan 2009, 21:34
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137 g/km CO2 parca.


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post 16 Jan 2009, 21:43
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nu-i rau, in franta sigur o sa aiba succes, acolo au un sistem de bonus-malus ,in functie de cantitatea de co2 emisa..cred ca sandero va fi printre modelele care vor avea un bonus la cumparare..

later-edit: pe clio3 vad ca are 139 g/km co2

17 Jan 2009, 00:34:
inca un later-edit: cred ca am gasit motivul pt care lanseaza aceasta motorizare. Din decembrie frantuzii au un program rabla la care pot participa doar masini noi cu co2-ul mai mic sau egal cu 160 g/km..

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post 17 Jan 2009, 01:33
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eu cautam motivatia introducerii acestei motorizari pe sandero comercializat in romania
motivele echiparii cu 1.2 pentru pietele din vest sunt suficient de clare

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post 17 Jan 2009, 01:36
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introduc aici pentru ca probabil costurile sunt mai mici daca produc doar motorizarea asta decat daca produc 1.2-ul pt export si 1.4-le pt romania.. si am asa un feeling, ca intr-un fel, productia de sandero cu motorul asta (si poate si logan) va fi "subventionata" si de programul "rabla frantuzeasca"


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post 17 Jan 2009, 01:44
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vrei sa spui ca 1.2 16 v va inlocui 1.4 mpi?
nu de alta dar eu asa vad lucrurile


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post 17 Jan 2009, 01:48
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posibil.. doar speculam.. oricum nu ar fi logic sa nu ofere si 1.2-ul in romania, din moment ce oricum l-ar produce pentru export.. mai ales cand au nevoie de vanzari ca sa poata mentine fabrica in functiune. Pt ca pun pariu ca au pierdut vanzari in strainatate din cauza pauzei "fortate" de pana acum, datorate caderii de pe piata romaneasca..

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post 17 Jan 2009, 02:11
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nu sunt de acord cu pierderile la export cauzate de pauza fortata
puteau redirectiona toata productia spre export insa din pacate tocmai acolo s-a prabusit cererea

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post 17 Jan 2009, 05:31
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In privinta consumului eu cred ca in regim urban,intr-un oras ff aglomerat acest motor va consuma ceva mai mult decat un 1.4 8v.


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post 17 Jan 2009, 10:51
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Eu am mers cu 1.2`ul de pe Corsa aia noua (tot roti pe 15 ca si Sandero`ul din dotare) si desi motorasul respectiv are cu 10 cai mai mult ca al meu nu ii simti decat peste 5 mii de ture, pana in 5 mii Sandelul parca trage mult mai bine.


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post 17 Jan 2009, 18:48
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ca tot se zicea ca nu va consuma mai mult,eu zic totusi sa va uitati la motoru de 1,2 dupa vechea fabia biggrin.gif,de am o dilema ala era in 3 sau 4 cilindri ? 04.gif


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post 17 Jan 2009, 23:24
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la fabia si polo motoarele de 1.2 sunt in 3 cilindri si pot spune ca nu e asa mare consumul. In oras am consum de 8l/100km circul la ore de varf, iar in afara la un mers lejer cu maxim 110-120 un consum de 5l/100km. E adevarat ca daca iti bagi piciorul in acceleratie consuma mult, dar altfel totul e ok. Cred ca va avea succes sandero-ul de 1.2.


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post 17 Jan 2009, 23:46
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pe cine vedeti voi cumparand sandero 1.2?


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post 17 Jan 2009, 23:50
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mi se pare un motor subdimensionat pt sandero . daca faceau sandero in 2 usi cu motorul asta , parca suna mai bine


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post 17 Jan 2009, 23:52
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QUOTE(Metallbyker @ 17 Jan 2009, 23:50)
mi se pare un motor subdimensionat pt sandero . daca faceau sandero in 2 usi cu motorul asta , parca suna mai bine
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sandero e masina de oras. Care orase in romania is in general supraaglomerate. ==> ca poti sa ai si 500 cp, tot la fel te vei tari 5m in 10 minute la semafor.. Probabil motorul e supersuficient pentru cei ce vor cauta o masina de oras..


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post 17 Jan 2009, 23:58
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Pai daca inlocuieste 1,4 8v, ii vad cumparand 1,2 16v pe cei care ar fi cumparat 1,4 8v laugh.gif .
Am observat ceva curios: desi Dacia zice ca Sandero are ca target tineretul, si lucrul asta pare normal, pe strada vad foarte multe Sandero-uri conduse de oameni trecuti de prima tinerete (ca sa nu zic mosi in unele cazuri). Si de obicei sunt variantele entry-level.
Ca sa puna capac, Logan PH2 a prins mult mai bine la pusti.
Este Sandero o masina pentru oameni tineri cu o minte matura, sau o masina pentru batrani infantili?


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post 18 Jan 2009, 00:02
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QUOTE(aphophis @ 18 Jan 2009, 00:52)
sandero e masina de oras. Care orase in romania is in general supraaglomerate. ==> ca poti sa ai si 500 cp, tot la fel te vei tari 5m in 10 minute la semafor.. Probabil motorul e supersuficient pentru cei ce vor cauta o masina de oras..
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ma indoiesc ca o sa fie cumparat pentru ce e, mai ales in romania

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post 18 Jan 2009, 00:03
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sandero sigur nu se adreseaza unor oameni tineri cu mintea matura
loganul faza 2 e pentru ei


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motorul 1.2 16v va echipa si loganul

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