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M-am uitat la poze, zici că-i parcat de Romică pachebotul ăla. de oftica ca l-au bant

M-am uitat la poze, zici că-i parcat de Romică pachebotul ăla.

de oftica ca l-au bant

Se va afla oricum cât de curând ce s-a întâmplat. Pe comanda de navigație se înregistrează automat toate discuțiile, toți parametrii aparaturii.

Treaba cu mijloacele de salvare ce sunt foarte greu de lansat când nava e înclinată e cunoscută de multă vreme. Poate acum se va și face ceva în sensul ăsta.

pai ce s-ar putea face ? niste gruie care sa actioneze in afara perimetrului navei bandate ?

Pana si la duba pe care am avut-o din '86 ii trebuia curent motorului diesel ca sa poata functiona si tu te intrebi pentru ce trebuie la un motor diesel naval ? Vrei la bula sau cum ?

pai metroul nu are motor de vapor

pai ce s-ar putea face ? niste gruie care sa actioneze in afara perimetrului navei bandate ?

Eu aș renunța la bărci. Mi se par foarte periculoase, au fost atât de multe accidente în timpul exercițiilor cu ele.

Plutele gonflabile mi se par soluția mai bună, ajutate de acele tobogane spiralate pentru îmbarcare.

@bygy nu trebuie sa fii chief engineer ca sa iti dai seama de asta
@Catalin vorbesti de asa zisele butoaie ? in rest nu mai sunt la curent cu noile tehnologii caci nu am mai urcat pe un vapor din '92.

Nu stiu cum se numesc, insa le-am vazut doar la navele de pasageri.

Cică 29 de turişti și 27 membri de echipaj erau sau sunt români.

This post has been edited by C a t a l i n: 15 Jan 2012, 01:06

Era ceva de genul atasat dar vopsite in culori fosfo si fluorescente cu o sfoara de care trebuia sa tragi ca sa actionezi umflarea plutei.

This post has been edited by l@u: 15 Jan 2012, 01:07

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Aaaa, alea sunt plutele, da, sunt pe orice fel de navă în ziua de azi. Credeam ca zici de tobogane.

Eu nu am prins toboganele , copaia de pe care mi-am incheiat cariera era construita prin '52 la nemti (MV Philippos),era nituita si avea numai curent continuu la bord cu castel central,motoare Mann si electrica Siemens , in fine un fier la final de serviciu.

@lau: Nici alea nu pot fi utile peste un anumit unghi, le lansezi dar cum ajungi la ele?

This post has been edited by Garett: 15 Jan 2012, 02:36

Treaba cu mijloacele de salvare ce sunt foarte greu de lansat când nava e înclinată e cunoscută de multă vreme. Poate acum se va și face ceva în sensul ăsta.

pai ce s-ar putea face ?

Niste barci ejectabile, in genul scaunelor ejectabile din avioanele de lupta.

Imi si imaginez niste pasageri pensionari in scaune ejectabile! Ar muri de frica, dar macar e o moarte mai usoara decat innecul. Cica...
Mai degraba niste FFLB-uri ca pe platforme, da' si la alea iti iese stomacul prin urechi la lansare!
Problema e ca o sina din aia ocupa spatiu si la o nava de pasageri fiecare cm conteaza mai mult din prisma profitului.

This post has been edited by Garett: 15 Jan 2012, 08:17

un coleg banuia si un sabotaj..poate? asigurarile sa scoata banii..la cum a esuat nu-ti vine a crede ca acel vas a fost condus de oameni competenti..bulibaseala de dupa a fost de filme proaste..

Orice s-ar fii intamplat, sper ca au Casco

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Ma-ntreb daca-l dau dauna totala !? La cum e pus acum poa' sa-l si repare, sa dea dracu'

Daily Mail

The captain of a cruise liner that ran aground with 4,000 passengers on board has been detained along with his first mate on allegations of manslaughter and abandoning his ship.

Francesco Schettino was at least four miles off course when the Costa Concordia struck rocks off the island of Giglio, Tuscany, despite Italy's well-mapped sea lanes.

One passenger has accused the captain of drinking in one of the ship's bars on the night before the vessel ran aground.

Monique Maurek, 41, from the Netherlands, told The Sunday Telegraph: 'What scandalised me most was when I saw the captain spending much of the evening before we hit the rocks drinking in the bar with a beautiful woman on his arm.

'Most people didn't even have any idea of what the evacuation warning sound would be.

'It was only because some of us had already been on a cruise that we recognised that seven blasts of the horn was a signal to abandon ship.'

Phil Metcalf, whose daughter Rose was one of the last people off the ship, said she had revealed the captain allegedly abandoned ship in the early stages of the evacuation, leaving his staff onboard.

He told BBC Breakfast: 'Since the captain had left there was nobody, so everybody was left to their own devices hence some of the chaos, so obviously the crew took it upon themselves and decided in the absence of the captain to organise and try and help people.'

Schettino told maritime investigators that charts showed he was in water deep enough to navigate and that he had struck an unidentified rocky outcrop of the island.

Once the 52-year-old realised the extent of the damage he immediately tried to change route and head for the safety of Giglio harbour.

But within minutes the vessel, owned by Costa Cruises, began to list dramatically reaching an angle of 20 degrees in just two hours.

The captain and his first office Ciro Ambrosio were detained last night at the police station in Porto Santo Stefano.

Prosecutors are investigating possible charges of multiple manslaughter and abandoning the ship while passengers were still in danger.

Schettino was quoted by Italian news sources as saying: 'The area was safe, the water was deep enough. We struck a stretch of rock that was not marked on the charts.

'As far as I am concerned we were in perfectly navigable waters.'

Francesco Verusio, chief prosecutor in the Tuscan city of Grosseto, told ANSA news agency the captain 'very ineptly got close to Giglio'.

'The ship struck a reef that got stuck inside the left side, making it (the ship) lean over and take on a lot of water in the space of two, three minutes,' he said.

Sources have said the captain, from Naples, had abandoned the ship at around 11.30pm local time - an hour after it struck a rocky outcrop and started taking on water - while the last passengers were not taken to safety until 3am yesterday morning.

Schettino's lawyer, Bruno Leporatti, said: 'I'd like to say that several hundred people owed their life to the expertise that the commander of the Costa Concordia showed during the emergency.'

He was taken to Grosseto's jail, where he will be held until next week when a judge will decide whether he should be released or formally put under arrest.

In Italy, suspects can be held without charge for a few days for investigation. A judge must either validate the jailing, putting the suspect under arrest, or declare him free to go.

Experts have said the captain may have been correct in his belief that his ship met its fate because of a power failure.

Passengers rescued from the stricken liner reported there had been a power blackout and a large booming noise, which indicated the vessel may have suffered an engine room explosion.

Last night Malcolm Latarche, editor of the global shipping magazine IHS Fairplay Solutions, said the problem may have been caused by a phenomenon known as 'harmonic interference'.

Mr Latarche said it was possible the cruise liner experienced the same problem that saw the Queen Mary 2 lose power in September 2010 as she was approaching Barcelona. On that occasion, the QM2 was able to carry on into open sea.

The expert said the harmonic interference – a type of power surge – could have caused a malfunction in the generators feeding the ship's six diesel electric engines with which the back-up systems could not cope.

This would have caused the ship to lose navigational power and steering control and veer off course, he said.

Asked for his assessment of the incident, Mr Latarche said: 'I would say power failure caused by harmonic interference and then it can't propel straight or navigate and it hit rocks.'

He added that once a ship experienced problems with the electrical supply to its main propulsion motors, it could lead to a problem with steering.

Mr Latarche said: 'It seems that this may have happened quite close to land, in shallow water. When you can't steer you are going to run aground and hit rocks at some point.'

The Costa Concordia, built in 2005, was designed to standards comparable with ocean liners.

Even though it had a rounded hull compared to the stronger V-shaped hull fitted to the Cunard flagship QM2, experts say it was capable of crossing the rough seas of the Atlantic.

Mr Latarche added: 'Although the damage caused to the ship was severe, there are many safeguards in the design of a state-of-the-art cruise ship to prevent it turning over.

'There is a second hull within the outer hull. Inside the inner hull there is a steel structure like an ice tray to contain the water and prevent it spreading through the ship.

'In this case, the Master rightly attempted to return it to the shore, but it seems to have keeled over because it hit shallow water on the coast.

'An ocean cruise ship is not designed to float in 20ft of water. It needs much more than that to remain upright.'

According to Mr Latarche, the fact that the average tonnage of cruise ships has doubled in the past decade makes a full-scale evacuation while at sea almost impossible.

Under regulations introduced by the International Maritime Organisation in 2010, the very latest ships are now designed to be able to return to port even in the event of a major fire or loss of power on board, in order to make evacuation unnecessary.

The Concordia was commissioned five years prior to the new rules but Mr Latarche said: 'Even if the most sophisticated ship in the world went into shallow water, the likelihood is it would turn on its side.

'This was a unique situation in which a number of circumstances all came together.'

Last night, Italian investigators trying to establish the cause of the accident arrested the Captain, Francesco Schettino, and were considering bringing manslaughter charges.

The investigators will study repair log books and fault reports for the vessel dating back several years.

They will also examine the experience of the officers and crew and examine the roles played by everyone on the day that the liner came to grief.

Since the Eighties the cruise industry has experienced a boom. More than 19 million passengers took a cruise last year and nine or more cruise ships of 100,000 tons or more have been built every year for the past decade.

Although cruise ships appear to be top-heavy, most of their weight is at the bottom, while the structure towards the top is designed to be comparatively light.

Traditionally, the vast majority of cruises have been taken by Americans to the Caribbean islands, but the Mediterranean market is rapidly expanding, with Italy the prime destination.

Cruise liners are designed for pleasure voyages, in which the surroundings and the luxurious amenities are the major focus of the experience, rather than the transportation itself.

As an industry, cruising has a safety record generally regarded as excellent. Over the past two decades, an estimated 90 million passengers have enjoyed a cruise without major incident.

The overwhelming majority of deaths on cruise ships are from natural causes or suicides.

Passenger ships – defined as any ship carrying more than 12 passengers – must comply with International Maritime Organisation regulations, which cover every aspect of the construction and operation.

Din ce spune capitanul, era in zona perfect navigabila din punctul lui de vedere. Si totusi, nu spune de ce era 4 mile in afara cursului.

Comandantul! De câte ori să mai repet?

În engleză / în română

Captain / Comandant
1st Officer / Căpitan / Secund
2nd Officer / Ofițer 2
3rd Officer / Ofițer 3

This post has been edited by C a t a l i n: 15 Jan 2012, 13:55

nu pot pentru ca sa zic comandant, ca ma duce cu gandul la baxe, si imi stric ziua

Eu aș renunța la bărci. Mi se par foarte periculoase, au fost atât de multe accidente în timpul exercițiilor cu ele.

Plutele gonflabile mi se par soluția mai bună, ajutate de acele tobogane spiralate pentru îmbarcare.

Nu ma pricep, dar parca ziceau aia pe Discoperii ca plutele-s bune pe mare/ocean calm sau în apropierea tarmului. Daca esti însa în larg pe furtuna atunci cand se striga MEIDEEEEI-MEIDEEI!!!, nu prea ajuta astea. Si, de obicei, pe vreme nasoala se produc accidentele astea.

Pe vreme rea e foarte dificil să lansezi o barcă. Pluta o arunci. În apă au ambele stabilitate suficientă indiferent de vreme.

Avantaje la bărci ar fi motorul, materialul ignifug, instalația exterioare de sprinkler-e.

cam dai in hipotermie cu plutele alea gonflabile, destul de repede, parerea mea.

Când se dă ordinul de abandonare al navei, fiecare membru de echipaj îmbracă un costum de imersiune, care te protejează de hipotermie. În plus compartimentele cu aer din plută izolează mai bine decât coca bărcii. Deasemenea există, atât în plute cât și în bărci niște "pungi" numite TPA (thermal protective aids). Se văd în poze pe unii pasageri de la accidentul ăsta.

This post has been edited by C a t a l i n: 15 Jan 2012, 16:59

Turistii sunt tot membri ai echipajului ?
Daca un vapor d-asta are 4-5000 de turisti la bord au tot atatea costume de imersiune ?

Minim. Plus că atât bărcile cât și plutele au capacitate maximă dublă față de numărul maxim de persoane pe care nava e proiectată să le care. Adică folosind doar bărcile sau plutele dintr-un singur bord, trebuie să îi poți salva pe toți.

This post has been edited by C a t a l i n: 15 Jan 2012, 17:01

Pai atunci jumatate din spatiul de pe un vapor e ocupat cu barci/plute de salvare, costume d-astea si echipamente de back-up ?
Abia astept sa apara companii de croaziera low cost (pe modelul celor de avioane)

This post has been edited by Shush: 15 Jan 2012, 17:02

De când obezitatea a devenit o problemă mondială de exemplu, s-au introdus cerințe de a avea disponibile la bord un număr separat de veste de salvare pentru persoane supraponderale.

Când mă ocupam de întreținerea vestelor mi-am luat pe tema asta o observație de la un inspector indian.

Ce-i drept nici nu existau persoane obeze la bord.

eu m-am jucat cu o pluta de-aia acu ceva vreme, "podeaua" era doar un cauciuc ordinar. Paturile alea din "stniol" ar trebui sa fie cam peste tot, nu sunt mare lucru, am si eu vreo 2 de-alea in dotare.

Insa ma indoiesc ca fiecare de pe vapor are "dry suite", mai ales ca e relativ greu de imbracat unu de-ala, si dureaza. De altfel, se vede ca pasagerii nu au asa ceva pe ei. Intr-adevar, am vazut poze de la un exercitiu cu o nava mai mica, echipaj pana in 20 de persoane, si toti aveau dry suite pe ei.

Problema, cu pasagerii, e ca nici nu-s antrenati cu asa si pentru asa ceva. Spre deosebire de echipaj.