Outline · [ Standard ] · Linear+ Toyota opreste productia si vanzarile in US, La 8 modele cu probleme la acceleratie/frana

pai cei care au avut probleme cu toyotele, s-a plans vreunul ca nu putea sa o scoata din viteza? nope, erau mult prea speriati ca accelereaza singura

pai cei care au avut probleme cu toyotele, s-a plans vreunul ca nu putea sa o scoata din viteza? nope, erau mult prea speriati ca accelereaza singura

Ii pun sa faca asa ceva ca sa vanda mai mult.
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This post has been edited by fansuv: 15 Mar 2010, 18:51

baaaaaaaad karma pentru toyota



Toyota, data in judecata de procuratura Californiei

Toyota, data in judecata de procuratura Californiei

Procuratura din California va da in judecata divizia de vanzari a Toyota Motor din Statele Unite pentru ca a pus in pericol siguranta publica prin vanzarea unor vehicule defecte si practici de afaceri inselatoare.

Reprezentantii Toyota nu au comentat informatia despre proces, primul de acest tip intentat de procuratura federala sau a unui stat american impotriva constructorului auto japonez, care se adauga unei liste tot mai lungi de reclamatii prin care se solicita daune.

Pe langa perspectiva unor procese colective, Toyota se confrunta si cu o investigatie din partea Comisiei americane pentru bursa si valori mobiliare si o alta ancheta, de natura penala, efectuata de procuratura federala.

Anuntul privind noul proces are loc intr-o perioada cruciala pentru Toyota, care a lansat o campanie de recastigare a consumatorilor , cu scopul demonstrarii ca a luat masuri pentru rezolvarea problemelor de siguranta ale vehiculelor.

O serie de incidente intens mediatizate, in care au fost implicate vehicule Toyota, pun in pericol campania de promovare lansata de companie.

Cel mai elocvent exemplu, aparut luni, este cel al unui barbat din San Diego care a reclamat ca automobilul sau Prius a devenit de necontrolat timp de 20 de minute, iar o masina a politiei a intervenit in ajutorul sau.

Toyota si Administratia pentru transporturi rutiere si siguranta investigheaza incidentul.

Grupul japonez a rechemat in service peste opt milioane de vehicule, pentru remedierea riscului de blocare a acceleratiei. Accelerarea necontrolata a dus, din 2007, la producerea a cel putin cinci accidente cu victime, iar autoritatile investigheaza alte 47 de cazuri produse aparute in ultimul deceniu.

http://www.bloombiz.ro/auto/toyota-data-in...ra-californiei-

baaaaaaaad karma pentru toyota 
Toyota, data in judecata de procuratura Californiei

Exemplu clar ca vor sa ii dea afara din tara ca sa isi protejeze industria lor de gunoaie cu motoare de 5 litrii.

Cum mai sa ii dea afara din tara, Toyota au o gramada de fabrici in SUA si Canada. Daca le inchid pe toate si ies toti viitorii someri in strada, au pus-o de nu se poate. Nu vor sa ii dea afara, dar e prima ocazie cand pot sa ii prinda de 0_0 si sa ii scuture bine....si evident nu au ratat momentul.

This post has been edited by Corbu': 16 Mar 2010, 13:31

E de origine ET (extraterestră) zic unii
Sunt radiatiile cosmice de vina pentru problemele cu acceleratia ale masinilor produse de Toyota?

    Desi pare iesit din comun, autoritatile americane investigheaza daca nu cumva accelerarile neintentionate ale masinilor produse de Toyota sunt produse de fapt de radiatiile cosmice.
    Este bine-cunoscut faptul ca radiatiile venite din spatiu afecteaza sistemele de navigatie ale avioanelor. Totusi, pana in prezent nu s-a dovedit in ce masura sunt afectate sistemele informatice ale masinilor, se arata intr-un editorial al Free Press.
    Cu toate ca producatorul japonez a inlocuit pedalele de acceleratie si mochetele a 5,6 milioane de masini pentru 13 modele fabricate de companie, reprezentantii companiei nu isi pot explica de ce alte 1.500 de plangeri au fost depuse de soferii ale caror masini au fost deja trimise la reparatii.
    Producatorii de electronice au stiut de cativa zeci de ani despre problemele pe care radiatiile cosmice le au asupra circuitelor electronice, acestea putand afecta programele informatice fara a lasa vreo urma fizica care sa fie legata de cauzele erorilor.
    "Astfel de radiatii pot avea aproape oriunde", a declarat William Price, cercetator in cadrul companiei Jet Propulsion Lab. "Nu se intampla in anumite locatii asa cum te-ai astepta in preajma unui turn radio". Acesta a mentionat ca, spre deosebire de interferentele radio, nu exista o modalitate fizica prin care aparatura electrica sa fie protejata de radiatiile cosmice.

Pe de altă parte nici urmaşii lui Henry Ford nu sunt mai de soi (cei din fabrici sau cei de pe asfalt):
SUA - Turnura neasteptata in privinta problemelor cu pedala de acceleratie: masinile Ford au produs 20 de accidente mortale in urma accelerarilor. Autoritatile au considerat ca de vina au fost soferii

    Autoritatile americane au inregistrat mai multe victime in urma accidentelor produse de apasarea involuntara pedalei de acceleratie pentru masinile produse de Ford Motor si Chrysler Group la un loc decat de cele produse de Toyota, in ultimele trei decenii, in toate cazurile considerandu-se ca de vina au fost soferii, informeaza Bloomberg.
    59 din cele 110 accidente mortale atribuite accelerarii neasteptate a masinilor au fost cauzate de alte masini decat cele produse de Toyota, conform datelor autoritatii americane pentru siguranta traficului (NHTSA).
    Agentia a primit 15.174 plangeri cu privire la accelerarea involuntara in ultimii zece ani si a deschis 141 anchete prin care sa investigheze fenomenul, 112 dintre acestea fiind inchise fara a se lua decizii impotriva producatorilor auto. Tragerea acelorasi concluzii de catre NHTSA cu privire la accelerarile involuntare care au produs accidente, in care totul era pus pe seama soferilor, a condus la neluarea in serios a acestor plangeri, anchetatorii ajungand sa incheie foarte repede astfel de anchete.

This post has been edited by Squirrel: 16 Mar 2010, 15:05

Exemplu clar ca vor sa ii dea afara din tara ca sa isi protejeze industria lor de gunoaie cu motoare de 5 litrii.

haide mai ironick, ca nu iese fum fara foc. Toyota a calcat grav pe taciunii aprinsi. Nu cred ca se iau aia gratuit de toyota

Nu se iau gratuit, evident. Se iau pe bani...

cine greseste sa plateasca

Un articol pe tema asta care mie mi s-a parut interesant:
http://www.motortrend.com/features/consume...test/index.html

"Our key finding: EVEN WITH THE GAS PEDAL FLOORED, ALL CARS DID STOP."

E o situatie normala sa opreasca. Orice masina are puterea de franare mai mare decat puterea motorului si va opri DACA se apasa pedala de frana.

Situatia anormala si care "pute" e cea prezentata de americani.
Iar articolul care incearca sa convinga lumea ca masina vireaza brusc cum vrea ea, frizeaza ridicolul.

se pare ca se va anunta insa un recall, , de 1,2 milioane de masini (toyota corolla, toyota matrix produse intre 2005 si 2007), a caror motor se poate opri din senin (chestie destul de periculoasa in anumite situatii)

Are you tired of hearing about Toyota  recalls and safety concerns? If that's the case, we must regrettably inform you that there's an update to note on a previously reported issue, this one potentially affecting some 1.2 million Corolla and Matrix models from 2005, 2006 and 2007. This issue concerns a possible defect that may cause affected vehicles to stall due to a failure in the engine's electronic control unit. At this time, Reuters reports, this is not a recall, just an investigation.

The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration first began investigating the problem back in November of last year, and up to that point, the government agency had received 26 such complaints. Apparently, there's no rhyme or reason as to when the cars will stall out, and it can happen at any speed, even at a steady cruise on the highway or through an intersection.

According to a letter sent as a response to a query from NHTSA, Toyota is suggesting that this particular issue doesn't create "an unreasonable risk to motor vehicle safety," calling the problem more of an inconvenience to owners. NHTSA says Toyota even issued a bulletin back in September of 2007 to dealers outlining a fix to replace the ECU with an improved model.

For what it's worth, we'd wager that electronic gremlins are the very last thing Toyota wants the public to hear about right about now in the wake of recalling some 8.5 million vehicles so far this year, most of which were to address potential mechanical problems with the accelerator pedal and ill-fitting floor mats that can cause cases of unintended acceleration. The automaker has repeatedly ruled out electronic problems as the cause of its sudden acceleration issues

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http://www.autoblog.com/2010/03/18/followu...-matr/#comments

Daca se opreste in intersectie, pe calea ferata. Toyota a neglijat mult calitatea ca sa vanda foarte mult. Vireaza singura, accelereaza aiurea.

Au probleme - e clar- cat ar pune ei angajatii sa spuna ca nu e asa.

De ce nu se opreste motorul la vw, de nu accelereaza singur renault megane, de ce nu vireaza aiurea fiat linea?

This post has been edited by fansuv: 21 Mar 2010, 19:16

pentru ca alea se strica, spre deosebire de toyota care nu se strica niciodata


btw


Politia norvegiana investigheaza cazul unui sofer de Toyota Prius care si-a vazut masina accelerand necontrolat pana la peste 170 km/h

Politia norvegiana a deschis o ancheta in legatura cu un incident in care un proprietar de Prius sustine ca masina a accelerat in mod necontrolat pana la 176 km/h, soferul oprind numai dupa ce a intrat in contact cu parapetul de pe marginea drumului, scrie AFP. Conducatorul auto a scapat nevatamat, insa incidentul se adauga altor episoade similare in care au fost implicate masini Prius.

Heti Hoti in varsta de 40 de ani sustine ca acceleratia Prius-ului s-a blocat in timp ce conducea pe autostrada in zona orasului Kristiansand din sudul Norvegiei. Omul spune ca nu a mai putut controla masina si a putut sa opreasca numai dupa ce s-a frecat de parapetul de pe marginea soselei.

Politia locala spune ca va discuta cu martorii si va astepta rezultatul unei expertize tehnice asupra masinii, dupa investigatii ale autoritatilor de siguranta a transporturilor.

"Descrierile facute de sofer ne intaresc convigerea ca acesta a fost intr-o situatie in care vehiculul a accelerat in mod necontrolat", a admis Toyota Norvegia, intr-un comunicat, adaugand ca inca sunt necunoscute cauzele.

Ca parte a rechemarii a peste 8,5 milioane de masini pe plan mondial, Toyota verifica si peste 400.000 de masini din ultima generatie Prius pentru modificarea soft-ului de management al sistemului ABS.

Intr-un caz similar cu cel din Norvegia, pe 8 martie un american sustinea ca Prius-ul sau nu a mai raspuns la comenzi si a accelerat necontrolat pana la peste 140 km/h, masina fiind oprita doar cu ajutorul unor baraje politienesti.

Legat de acel incident care a starnit reactii nenumarate, producatorul japonez a spus ca relatarea e incoerenta si exista diferente mari intre cele povestite de sofer si cele descoperite in ancheta.

Cert e ca aceste episoade negative afecteaza imaginea celui mai vandut model hibrid de pe piata, unul care era in funtea "ofensivei verzi" a producatorului nipon.

sursa: http://economie.hotnews.ro/stiri-auto-7041...a-peste-170.htm

frate , clipul asta arata cati dobitoci sunt pe lumea asta. Multi au crezut ca e o reclama ford, nu o parodie snl

Toyota se pare ca va fi amendata in curand cu 16,375 milioane de dolari (maximul permis de lege) de catre nhtsa pentru ca nu au anuntat nhtsa-ul de problemele avute cu "pedala nebuna" in perioada maximua prevazuta de lege:

WASHINGTON, D.C. – U.S. Transportation Secretary Ray LaHood today announced that the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) is seeking the maximum civil penalty of $16.375 million against Toyota Motor Corporation for failing to notify the auto safety agency of the dangerous "sticky pedal" defect for at least four months, despite knowing of the potential risk to consumers. Approximately 2.3 million vehicles in the U.S. were recalled in late January for the sticky pedal defect. The penalty being sought against Toyota would be the largest civil penalty ever assessed against an auto manufacturer by NHTSA.

Auto manufacturers are legally obligated to notify NHTSA within five business days if they determine that a safety defect exists. NHTSA learned through documents obtained from Toyota that the company knew of the sticky pedal defect since at least September 29, 2009. That day, Toyota issued repair procedures to their distributors in 31 European countries and Canada to address complaints of sticky accelerator pedals, sudden increases in engine RPM, and sudden vehicle acceleration. The documents also show that Toyota was aware that consumers in the United States were experiencing the same problems.

"We now have proof that Toyota failed to live up to its legal obligations," said Secretary LaHood. "Worse yet, they knowingly hid a dangerous defect for months from U.S. officials and did not take action to protect millions of drivers and their families. For those reasons, we are seeking the maximum penalty possible under current laws."

Under NHTSA's current authority, the maximum possible civil penalty for related violations is $16.375 million. The penalty announced today relates specifically to the "sticky pedal" defect and NHTSA is still investigating Toyota to determine if there are additional violations that warrant further penalties.

"Safety is our top priority and we will vigorously pursue companies that put consumers at risk," said NHTSA Administrator David Strickland. "We will continue to hold Toyota accountable for any additional violations we find in our ongoing investigation."

On February 16, NHTSA launched an investigation into the timeliness and scope of the three recent Toyota recalls and required the automaker to turn over documents and explanations related to its adherence to U.S. auto safety laws. NHTSA made a preliminary determination on the fine announced today based on a review of documents Toyota has provided. To date, Toyota has submitted more than 70,000 pages of documents, which NHTSA officials are continuing to review.

NHTSA has the most active defect investigation program in the world, opening or closing an investigation almost every week. Over the last three years, NHTSA's defect and compliance investigations have resulted in 524 recalls involving 23.5 million vehicles.

sursa: http://www.autoblog.com/2010/04/05/report-...canda/#comments

http://editorial.autos.msn.com/article.asp...umentid=1139830

cineva se tine bine de tot de capul toyota....

Cineva?

http://editorial.autos.msn.com/article.asp...umentid=1139830

cineva se tine bine de tot de capul toyota....

da. prostia lor si sacrificarea calitatii masinilor pt profit.

Parcă şi în Taiwan au probleme cu chederele…Taiwanezii se udă când urcă în Toyota la propriu

inca un recall la toyota (al n-spelea anul asta), de dat aceasta fiind implicate peste 600.000 de monovolume Sienna, cu probleme la cablul ce tine roata de rezerva, acesta putandu-se coroda, ducand la desprinderea rotii de masina

It appears Toyota just can't shake the recall bug. Since last fall, Toyota has issued massive recalls for  floor mats, stuck pedals, Prius brakes, Tundra frame rust and now the Japanese automaker's minivan is getting in on the act. Toyota has announced that it will voluntarily recall 600,000 of its 1998-2010 Sienna minivans for corrosion on the spare tire cable. A Toyota press release on the subject tells us that the cable may rust to the point where "the spare tire could become separated from the vehicle, a road hazard for following vehicles that increases the likelihood of a crash."

The primary cause of the corrosion stems from road salt used to combat ice. The recall covers vehicles in the northern states listed in the post-jump press release, though Toyota says it will inspect the spare tire cable on vehicles from states not affected by the recall as well.

At this point, Toyota admits it is still working on a solution to the rusted cable problem. If your Sienna is affected by the recall, you will receive a notice from the automaker to head to a dealer for inspection. Once Toyota comes up with a proper fix, customers will receive a second notice advising Sienna owners of the remedy. We're thinking two trips to the dealer is less than ideal, but then again we're sure most customers aren't interested in having their spare tire fall out during rush hour traffic. Hit the jump to read over the Toyota press release. Thanks to everyone for the tips!

http://www.autoblog.com/2010/04/17/toyota-...osion-on-spare/

nhtsa sustine ca 89 de vieti s-ar fi pierdut datorita problemei cu acceleratiei nebune by toyota. Cam mult
NHTSA claims Toyota unintended acceleration may have claimed 89 lives

The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration is now estimating that 89 deaths may be attributable to unintended acceleration in Toyota vehicles here in the United States between the year 2000 and May of 2009. Previously, it was reported that 52 deaths were possibly related to the throttle defect.

This figure has been extrapolated from NHTSA's database of the roughly 6,200 complaints it has received over that same time period. In addition to the 89 deaths, 57 injuries have also been tallied. Toyota reminds us that these figures are estimates, saying in a statement:

    Many complaints in the NHTSA database, for any manufacturer, lack sufficient detail that could help identify the cause of an accident. We will continue to work in close partnership with law enforcement agencies and federal regulators with jurisdiction over accident scenes whenever requested.

According to Toyota, some 1.67 million sticky accelerator pedals and 1.62 million floor mats have so far been fixed under recall, with roughly 120,000 being performed per week on average.

SURSA: http://www.autoblog.com/2010/05/25/nhtsa-c...ave-claimed-89/

Cautand informatii pentru cineva cu un RAV4 care s-a plans ca-i ramane masina accelerata cand schimba vitezele (mi-am adus aminte ca am citit pe la voi despre recall-ul cu pedala de acceleratie), am dat de un comunicat oficial al Toyota Romania despre respectiva problema:

Procedura de remediere dezvoltată de inginerii Toyotainclude instalarea unei placuţe de oţel în ansamblul pedalei de acceleraţie, menită să creeze un spaţiu ce reduce frecarea  din interiorul mecanismului.

http://www.toyota.ro/about/news_and_events...t-09022010.aspx

Deci toata remedierea problemei sta intr-o saiba (placuta de otel)
Si radeati de ai nostri cand legau cu sarma....

Toyota: it's the americans, stupid!

Bomba zilei vine de la Departamentul de Transporturi al SUA, care in urma examinarii a 3000 de rapoarte privitoare la acceleratiile inopinate inregistrate la masinile Toyota a ajuns la concluzia ca in toate aceste cazuri vina a apartinut soferului, masinile in cauza fiind in stare tehnica corecta.
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Cu alte cuvinte, soferii calcasera acceleratia in loc sa calce frana atunci cand au incercat sa evite accidentele. Mai mult, dintre cele 75 de accidente mortale in urma acceleratiilor inopinate, doar unul singur s-a dovedit a fi cauzat de o defectiune tehnica, mai precis de blocarea acceleratiei in covoras, treaba pentru care Toyota a facut la data aceea un recall imediat.

Asta inseamna ca cei care aleg toyota nu prea au minte ?
De ce nu se intampla si la alte marci? Au fost probleme tehnice- vor sa ascunda adevarul. Au mai ascuns adevarul toyota.

Mai mult, dintre cele 75 de accidente mortale in urma acceleratiilor inopinate

DEPARTAMENTUL DE STAT nu poate fi corupt?

This post has been edited by fansuv: 15 Jul 2010, 13:09

Au fost probleme tehnice- vor sa ascunda adevarul. Au mai ascuns adevarul toyota.
DEPARTAMENTUL DE STAT nu poate fi corupt?

Si daca departamentul are dreptate si de fapt a fost un linsaj mediatic fata de toyota, iar acum o dau la intors ca sa vezi, ca am studiat si ce s-a spus pana acum sunt prostii?

Q.E.D.

aphophis, pune-ti streangu'...

Toyota: it's the americans, stupid!

Acum pe bune, credea cineva altceva? Eu cand citeam "fenomenalele cazuri" ma lua rasul.. Dar rau de tot...

Q.E.D.

aphophis, pune-ti streangu'...

de ce? Ca se pare ca autoritatile (nhtsa-ul in speta nu au zis nimic) si ca e doar un joc de rahat al toyotei. Deocamdata se pare ca nhtsa nu a ajuns la nici o concluzie ca cea prezentata mai sus. Cam deontologi asa.. astia de la toyota nu?

When The Wall Street Journal reported that crash data obtained by the U.S. Department of Transportation pegged the blame for Toyota's unintended acceleration on drivers, one line stuck out:

    "A NHTSA spokeswoman declined to comment on the findings, which haven't been released by the agency."

With no official word from the DOT or NHTSA on its findings in the case, the WSJ's sources have been called into question.

According to an unnamed NHTSA spokeswomen speaking with Just-Auto, "The story was planted by Toyota. Toyota is the source – yes we know that for definite [sic]. It is [the] Toyota PR machine. We knew they were going to put it out."

There's no doubt Toyota is in close contact with the DOT and NHTSA, so there's a good chance that Toyota has been privy to the findings ahead of their official release. However, until something official comes down from the Feds, the exact causes of unintended acceleration aren't simply open and shut.

We're in the process of contacting both NHTSA and Toyota about the story and will update you as more information is collected.

UPDATE: A NHTSA spokesperson has confirmed that the agency hasn't released any information to the WSJ, but declined to comment if Toyota has gained advanced access to the agency's findings.

UPDATE 2: A report by the Detroit Free Press quotes NHTSA Administrator David Strickland as saying that the agency has "several more months of work" to complete before it can definitively come to a conclusion on the cause of unintended acceleration.

UPDATE 3: We've asked Toyota's National Manager for Environmental, Quality, and Safety Communications, John Hanson, if NHTSA has been supplying information to Toyota on its investigation. His response: "It's been a one-way valve [to NHTSA]. We've been supplying information and sending it to NHTSA. We are not aware of any study. We are not aware of any report. We've been compiling our own field reports on unintended acceleration and as we investigate them, we send them to NHTSA. The WSJ report was news to us."

sursa: http://www.autoblog.com/2010/07/15/report-...nted-by-toyota/

This post has been edited by aphophis: 15 Jul 2010, 22:57