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post 22 Feb 2004, 23:32
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Salut. As vrea sa aflu si eu mai multe despre reglarea unei instalatii gpl. De curand mi-am montat pe masina (Dacie berlina 97) o instalatie gpl ZAVOLI. Pe benzina eu o socotem cam la 10% in oras. Acum imi ia 12,5% pe gpl. Am inteles de la taximetristi ca ar trebui ca in oras sa ia in jur de 10%. Cei care au montat-o spun ca asta este un consum acceptabil. Voi ce parere aveti? Sa o las asa sau ce sa ii fac?[/b]


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post 22 Feb 2004, 23:45
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mey.. teoria spune ca la gpl vei avea un consum cu 10% mai mare decat cel pe benzina... tu aveai 10l/100km.. acum ai 12.5/100... ce sa zic.. cred ca ar merge reglata un pik... dar cred ca dupa cum ti'au spus si cei care au montat'o.. e acceptabil. depinde si de gazul pe care il bagi (de la ce companie si de la ce statie) si de felul in care conduci... parerea mea este sa o mai lasi... de abia ai luat'o... mai mergi cu ea.. testeaza diverse surse de gaz.. si vezi ce si cum... abia dupa aia pune mana pe surubelnitza si ciocan.. eu zic sa'ti verifici consumul cam pe 3-5 plinuri... si apoi trage concluziile... (iti recomand sa faci plin pe butelia goala, ca sa ai imaginea corecta asupra calitatii/proprietatilor/consumului gazului bagat)...


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post 23 Feb 2004, 00:07
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Am citit tot aici pe un topic ca o dacie din 96 consuma in jur de 8-9 in oras ce parere ai?


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post 23 Feb 2004, 01:48
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posibil... de ce nu... desi cand aud cifre d'astea la berline sincer incep sa ma gandesc la harry potter ... :roll: asta ar insemna ca ar avea undeva pe la 7-8 urban pe benzina.. :?: la berlina mea la carte scrie urban 9 la suta... si eu am invatzat ca ce scrie in carte e cam optimist... a mea din 95 tot cam in jur de 11-12 se invarte.. ma rog... de cand i'am facut motorul n'am reusit sa'i fac consumul sa vad cat imi ia cu el nou... am tot bagat cu tzaraita cate 20 de litrii.. si le'am pierdut sirul... sad.gif
anyways... parerea mea e ca e ok.. poate un pik cam sus... niste reglaje de finetze POATE l'ar duce mai jos... dar nu cred ca ar trebui sa te astepti la mai putin de 10 urban...


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post 23 Feb 2004, 11:06
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Depinde si "urbanu" asta cit este de urban. Spre exemplu la mine la Cernavoda imi consuma 7%. Da' pot sa compar Cernavoda cu Constanta sau Bucuresti?


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post 23 Feb 2004, 14:06
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Pai da, ca la voi se merge "one way only" cu motor, adica la deal. Daca vrei sa treci podul iti dai drumul la vale, fara motor laugh.gif


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post 24 Feb 2004, 09:35
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Pai sa stii ca asa este. Si in al doilea rind ce trafic avem noi aici.....Acu' s-ar putea sa manince mai mult ca au montat si la noi semafoare... laugh.gif


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post 24 Feb 2004, 16:31
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Daca ar lua 10% in buc cred ca as fi destul de multumit. Acum am pus gpl de la Crimbo si cred ca e mai bun. Am inteles ca si asta conteaza destul de mult.


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post 24 Feb 2004, 23:25
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Depinde mult de cum mergi. Daca mergi ca taximetristii care rar ii dau peste 2000 de ture poate o sa-ti consume mai putin. Altfel nu vad cum. In fine sunt reglaje de finete care nu ar trebui sa le faci decat dupa ce faci mai multe plinuri. Nu in ultimul rand, nu uita ca acum e iarna si manca ceva mai mult.


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post 24 Feb 2004, 23:36
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Am uitat sa va spun ca eu schib viteza la 2000-2004 nu mai mult si de obicei urmaresc sa merg cu ea in jur de 2000 rpm.


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post 24 Feb 2004, 23:54
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pey cam la acelasi regim merg si eu.. in jur de 2000 plus/minus 500 ture... tongue.gif
sa'mi zici ce parere ai de crimbo... eu de la ei bag in ultima vreme si sunt super multumit... am auzit in stanga si'n dreapta voci care recomanda sa se evite shell, lukoil si agip, care trag rasol rau de ceva vreme... plus ca .. la dreaq.. e inca iarna... nu te mira de consum ca e un pik mai mare....


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post 25 Feb 2004, 01:16
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Am uitat sa va spun ca eu schib viteza la 2000-2004 nu mai mult si de obicei urmaresc sa merg cu ea in jur de 2000 rpm.


Ce turometru ai ca vezi daca ai depasit... 2004? :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock:


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post 25 Feb 2004, 11:49
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Omu voia sa spuna probabil 2000-2400 017.gif


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post 26 Feb 2004, 15:40
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In ceea ce priveste shelul asa am auzit si eu. Prima oara am bagat de la Shel si mi-a consumat 12,5. Acum am bagat aceeasi cantitate de la Crimbo si cred ca o sa merg mai mult. De obicei bag de 500.000. lei adica 34,4l. Acum cu gpl de la crimbo am deja 255Km mersi si mai am ceva gaz in rezervor. Oricum maine sau poimaine iti voi spune rezultatul. Cei de la Star Gaz de unde am montat instalatia mi-au recomandat CRIMBO in detrimentul Shelului.


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Raziel
post 26 Feb 2004, 16:55
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hai ca astept cu nerabdare sa'mi spui cat ai facut... smile.gif


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post 26 Feb 2004, 19:28
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Pana acu vre-o doua saptamani aveam shi eu in orass 10%. Dar, acuma (am avut niste probleme cu motorul) imi consuma in jur de 12%. Ca sa iti consume mai putin, faci in felul urmator:
1) in treapta I o turezi pana in 2500
2) in treapta II o turezi pana in 2500
3) in treptele urmatoare , cand schimbi, nu depasi 2000 turatii shi incearca sa mergi cu 1500 turatii (ex:la 40 la ora esti cu a IV a).
Consumul ar trebui sa-ti scada la 10%. Daca nu scade, incearca sa pui gaz shi de la alte statii.


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post 26 Feb 2004, 20:04
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bine mey... normal ca daca masina merge subturata si consumul e mai mik... la naiba ... asa fac eu cand raman pe gol si da semne ca s'a terminat treaba.... ca sa ajung acasa... merg cu ea in 1500 ture... da ala nu se numeste mers... si nu asa se face economia.. ce naiba...


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post 27 Feb 2004, 10:08
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Raziel sa sti ca sunt de aceeasi parere cu tine. Nu mi se pare normal sa merg cu ea turata la 1500rpm. Si 2000 din anumite puncte de vedere este putin dar oricum nu este ca la 1500.


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post 27 Feb 2004, 10:12
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Cred ca este f important de unde pui gpl. Va voi spune azi sau maine daca asa este, cel putin in cazul meu. Faptul ca motorul iti consuma ulei are vre-o legatura cu consumul de gpl?


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post 29 Feb 2004, 06:34
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Raziel sa stii ca nu te-am uitat cu raspunsul ala dar nu am plecat cu masina momentan.


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post 29 Feb 2004, 15:26
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hehe.. stai linistit... smile.gif si io vreau sa'i verific consumul acuma.. ca i'am facut motorul... am facut un plin.. sa vdm cat ma tzine... wink.gif


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post 29 Feb 2004, 22:52
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acum am 295 km si inca nu s-a oprit masina. Oricum nu cred ca mai are foarte mult gpl. Te voi anunta cati km fac cu gpl de la Crimbo


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post 1 Mar 2004, 00:07
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voi stiti ca gazul are ardere uscata?va reduce viata setului cu 30%.daca nu stiati,stiti acum. icon_mrgreen.gif


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post 1 Mar 2004, 07:58
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.... well...

"Because LPG enters the engine as a vapor, it doesn't wash oil off cylinder walls or dilute the oil when the engine is cold, and it also doesn't put carbon particles and sulfuric acid into the oil. Thus an engine that runs on propane can expect a longer service life and reduced maintenance costs. (Incoming liquid gasoline cools the combustion chamber and valves as it vaporizes, so you might expect, for example, that you'd need a valve job more often on an LPG-burning engine because the gaseous fuel doesn't give this cooling effect. However, modern valve and valve-seat materials, designed for unleaded gasoline, don't have problems with the "dry" fuel. More recently, direct injection of LPG in the liquid state, with attendant cooling effect as well as improved emissions control, is being tested.) Its high octane rating (around 105) means that power output and/or fuel efficiency can be increased, without causing detonation ("knocking"), in a vehicle that isn't required to run on gasoline as well."

Advantages & Disadvantages

There are several significant advantages in running a spark-ignition engine on LPG rather than petrol. They include reduced exhaust emissions, longer engine life and lower maintenance costs. Fuel costs may be significantly lower, too, but the saving depends on the price and taxation structure of the market. LPG consumption on the open road can be up to 30% higher than that for petrol, although city cycle consumption is only about 10-20% higher. Overall, the cost of running on LPG is cheaper than for petrol, but the time to fully recover conversion costs will depend on individual circumstances. Vehicles which frequently travel long distances are most likely to recover the cost of conversion in an acceptable time.

Performance

The power developed by an engine run on LPG tends to be lower than that for petrol over the whole speed range. The reason is that at full combustion more power is provided from a given volume of air-petrol mixture than from the same volume of air/LPG mixture. Although dependent on the quality of installation, and the equipment used, LPG cars generally run smoother and idle better than those running on petrol.



Engine Benefits

Where LPG is the sole fuel, service experience indicates that it has the following advantages over petrol:

Longer engine life, particularly in respect to cylinder-bore wear during cold starting. This is because LPG, being gaseous when it enters the cylinder, does not wash oil off the walls.


Reduce deposition on surfaces and spark plugs, owing to the cleaner combustion characteristics of the fuel. Consequently the frequency of top overhauls and plug servicing can be reduced.


Lubricating oil will be free of soot and unburnt fuel and so will appear clean. It is still imperative to change oil at the normal interval because additive depletion may allow acid build up which will lead to bearing corrosion and deposit formation.
Clearly, where a dual-fuel LPG / petrol system is used, these benefits are reduced according to the proportion of petrol operation. Some leaded petrol engines are prone to exhaust valve seat wear using LPG. It is therefore recommended to run these cars on petrol occasionally to provide a lead deposit on the exhaust valve seats that will prevent wear.
Since LPG enters the engine in gaseous form, the mixture distribution to the cylinders is more uniform than with petrol. Consequently engines operating on LPG can utilize leaner mixtures, to give improved efficiency.

si se tot poate vb pana diseara de chestiile astea....


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post 2 Mar 2004, 01:11
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baaaiiiiiii,asta face gpl lor cu [bisulfura de molibdemm] nu gpl nostru care are tot felu lor de chimicale.un vecin de la mine din bloc face europa,si cand vine cu masina viine cu gpl de la ei.scuze da miroase altfel si masina lui este merge numai pe gaz ca are probleme cu injectoarele [de la benzina noastra].frate pe frigurile alea de -15 celsius ponea la prima cheie[bine nu avea putere sa plece dupa loc]da PORNEA fa si asa ceva cu gazul nostru.antreabai daca are an compozitie bisulfura de molibdemm.si mai vorbim. ok icon_mrgreen.gif


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post 2 Mar 2004, 08:43
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Tyka chestia cu plecatul direct pe gaz la -15 grade - si pornit la prima cheie - nu prea cred ca ii adevarata.
Intradevar exista doua tipuri de GPL - vara si iarna - la care difera continutul de propan dar pornirea se face totusi pe benzina la temperaturi asa scazute.
Iar chestia cu mirosul depinde de ce odorizant se foloseste. La noi se introduce mercaptan, altii poate introduc altceva in GPL. Iara treaba cu bisulfura de molibden in GPL , eu unul nu am auzit de asa ceva.


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post 2 Mar 2004, 12:01
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297km am mers cu crimbo. Oricum e mai bine.


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post 2 Mar 2004, 12:10
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34.4l = 297km atat am mers cu gpl de la crimbo


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post 3 Mar 2004, 00:40
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poate nai auzit tu da eu am vazut cum a pornit si de bisulfura am vazut tot la vecinu pe fluturasi pe care ia luat cand alimenteaza,di afara icon_mrgreen.gif


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post 3 Mar 2004, 10:34
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In mod normal,scrie in toate manualele instalatiilor de gaz,dimineata pornirea se face pe benzina si dupa ce motorul se incalzeste un pic se trece pe gaz.La instalatiile destepte(pt motoarele cu injectie) trecerea se face automat fara ca dumy-ul de la volan sa poata interveni(vezi Cielo GPL).
Cit despre gaz este posibil ca aia in partea ailalta sa bage tot felul de prostii in el dar nu vad care ar fi legatura dintre bisulfura de molibden si pornirea pe gaz la -15 grade.


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