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post 22 Jan 2006, 21:30
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ce ati vrea:americana cu motor de n cmc si gurmanda sau o europeana ?sa se tina cont de performante,feeling,fiabilitate,aspect...


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post 22 Jan 2006, 21:32
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post 22 Jan 2006, 22:10
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japoneze votez si eu.
un nissan patrol de uichend si un subaru impreza de autostrada.
doar banii nu-s problema, nu ?

p.s. - oare raspunsurile de genul asta nu-s offtopic ?


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post 22 Jan 2006, 23:25
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post 22 Jan 2006, 23:29
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performante,feeling,fiabilitate,aspect?

Clar americancele, o Plynouth hemi Cuda, un Dodge Charger wub.gif nu se compara cu euro-junk-urile de pe la noi.
Pacat ca europenii si mai ales romanii habar nu au de o masina americana clasica, merg numai pe banalitatile de bemveuri, opele, japonisme si alte specimene ce au vazut pe aici,


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post 22 Jan 2006, 23:45
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Grea alegere.. cred ca europeana.


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post 23 Jan 2006, 00:03
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post 23 Jan 2006, 01:45
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post 23 Jan 2006, 07:39
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bai,lasati japonezele,ca astea se vor compara cu cine castiga aici.eu unul prefer sa latre motorul sub mine nu sa miaune,deci votez americancele.


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post 23 Jan 2006, 08:28
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QUOTE(madcos @ 23 Jan 2006, 07:39)
bai,lasati japonezele,ca astea se vor compara cu cine castiga aici.
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ce sa-i faci, daca sint fan off road si la capitolul asta sint peste americani ?
ok, intre americane si europene, si eu prefer americane. mari, urite, grele... dodge ram biggrin.gif

L.E. chiar sa, nu-i si un poll ?

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post 23 Jan 2006, 08:31
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Europeana! Americanii, cu mici exceptii, fac design cu mistria...Plus ca-s pentru Protocolul de la Kyoto...


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Americaaaaa! F-150 Harley Davidson. Mai e petrol pentru inca 30 de ani... Trebuie sa ne grabim sa ne luam dintr-astea ca acusi o sa fie piese de muzeu.

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Overall Length 225.9"
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post 23 Jan 2006, 10:50
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QUOTE(dacicuss @ 23 Jan 2006, 08:31)
Europeana! Americanii, cu mici exceptii, fac design cu mistria...
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Si mecanica cu tarnacopu. M-am stricat de ras cand la Myth Busters distrugeau mitul puntii spate legate de un stalp (faza dintr-un film al carei actiuni avea loc la sf anilor 50) si pentru a testa mitul au luat o masina de politie din zilele noastre, si ziceau tare relaxati ca puntea spate e aproape identica cu a masinii din anii 50.

Sau in ziua de azi mai folosesc punti spate la masini sport, care un japonez sau european doar pe o furgoneta ar pune-o? Doar acum la sf anilor 90 au inceput sa auda si ei de roti independente and shit. Americanii or facut si ei V8 (da afara mandria din ei numai cand pronunta V8) si motorul asta l-o pus de la family van pana dube. Evolutie...care tinde spre 0...vreo 20 de ani. Si se mai plangeau in anii 70 ca li se inchid fabricile (cartiere intregi din Detroit erau fantoma in cateva luni de zile).

Cand eram copil, salivam si eu dupa americane, ca doar asta vedeam la posturile unguresti. Atunci doar masinile lor mi se pareau....masini. La romani vedeam Dacii, Fiat, si Lada. Dar am mai crescut, am vazut ca exista si altceva, vrand, nevrand m-am mai lovit de istoria auto americana, si acuma ma scarbeste cu desavarsire.

Asta cu partea mecanica. Daca luam si design-ul in calcul....cum a zis dacicuss....


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post 23 Jan 2006, 11:03
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Sa ne mai intrebam de ce la americani masinile alearga pe linii drepte si in cel mai bun caz pe circuite ovale?
La capitolul suspensie au cam ramas in urma.
Iar acele motoare puternice se bazeaza pe o cilindree imensa.
La puteri echivalente, europenele si japonezele au chiar un sfert din capacitatea cilindrica a unei americane.
Va vine sa credeti sau nu, masina de mai jos, un Cadillac XLR productie 2006 (model aparut in 2005), are suspensii pe foaie de arc.

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Nu ascund faptul ca unele modele americane sunt superbe si-mi las gura apa privindu-le.
Dar si numai pt. faptul ca americanii nu-si pun problema consumului, sfidand restul lumii la capitolul petrol, n-as cumpara o americana.
Imi plac prea multe masini ca sa le enumar aici, nu prefer o marca anume... sunt diferite modele, fie ele japoneze, americane, europene sau de alta provenienta, care merita toata atentia.


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post 23 Jan 2006, 11:09
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QUOTE(vis-a-vis @ 23 Jan 2006, 11:03)
Va vine sa credeti sau nu, masina de mai jos, un Cadillac XLR productie 2006 (model aparut in 2005), are suspensii pe foaie de arc.
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...si eu care incercam sa scot in evidenta tampenia cu puntile de camioane sub masini sport. radmasa.gif

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post 23 Jan 2006, 11:29
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Masina din avatarul meu ar prezenta singura optiune de masina americana pe care a-s fi multumit sa o am.
OFF: stiti cumva cam cat costa inchirierea unei cisterne, ca daca iau benzina de 100 de mii nu cred ca ajung sa turez motorul de 3 ori pana la 6000 ca se si termina.


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post 23 Jan 2006, 11:31
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Eu zic ca ai rezumat prea bine cu vreo doua posturi mai sus, driverx. Aprob pozitiv, ca sa zic asa.

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post 23 Jan 2006, 11:36
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post 23 Jan 2006, 11:42
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QUOTE(vis-a-vis @ 23 Jan 2006, 11:03)
Sa ne mai intrebam de ce la americani
Va vine sa credeti sau nu, masina de mai jos, un Cadillac XLR productie 2006 (model aparut in 2005), are suspensii pe foaie de arc.



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radmasa.gif auzi domnul meu, nu omite niste chestii importante la masina aia din exemplu, ai uitat ca spui ca are un sistem revolutionar de suspensie, mai bine citeste si te convingi, ca poate lumea chiar te crede ca are doar
suspensie pe foaie de arc wink.gif prea le sti tu pe toate radmasa.gif

"The XLR is one of the world's first vehicles equipped with Magnetic Ride Control - electronically-controlled, magnetic-fluid based real-time damping. The system uses four wheel-to-body displacement sensors to measure wheel motion over the road surface and responds by adjusting the shock damping at speeds approaching one millisecond. That's five times faster than previous "real time" damping systems.

The secret behind Magnetic Ride Control is the magneto-rheological fluid contained in its dampers, replacing traditional mechanical valves. Suspended in this fluid are tiny iron particles that respond to an electromagnetic charge.

The Magnetic Ride controller will activate if needed to help respond to weight transfer, or roll gradient, of the vehicle - for example during braking, by stiffening the damping rate in one or more corners to maintain smooth body motions"

http://www.rsportscars.com/eng/cars/cadillac_xlr.asp

"To save weight, the double wishbones front and rear are aluminum; of course, the composite leaf springs are light, too. Leaf springs of this type - just one leaf - are actually quite advanced technology as they don't locate the wheels, and involve some clever manufacturing techniques. However, on some surfaces, the suspension will appear stiffer than you'd expect, which might lead to the rear wheels jumping about a bit."

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Si cum iti explici faptul ca, un tuner american, intr-o emisiune televizata, a scos si aruncat acea "suspensie revolutionara" ca pe masea stricata?
Ca american mandru ce m-as fi aflat, as fi tinut cu dintii de "valorile nationale".
Nu tot ce scrie pe hartie se regaseste si in realitate.


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post 23 Jan 2006, 12:00
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Nea argon...

Pe batranul continent (adica Europa) de vreo 10-15 ani (daca nu chiar mai mult) NICI pe camioane nu prea se mai folosesc arcuri foi, desi proaste nu erau pentru camioane...mai ales pe spate.

...ar trebui sa iti zica ceva SI asta.

Nu sunt expert in rezistenta materialelor, dar din cate stiu, un arc foaie prea scurt nu are cursa prea lunga, i se modifica foarte mult parametri cu cat e mai comprimat (ceea ce poate fi bine in unele cazuri, in altele nu), dar ORICUM...ocupa mult loc in masina. Chiar nu vad DE CE se foloseste la o masina de generatie 2006 ... MASINA SPORT...arcuri foi.


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post 23 Jan 2006, 12:01
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O masina americana evident. De preferat cea din avatar ca sa nu am probleme cu aglomeratia.

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Europene clar, singura americana care mi-a placut pana acum este Chrysler 300C

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