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post 16 Jan 2009, 10:30
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daca stiti ceva despre motorul 1.2 16 v ce echipeaza modelul sandero va rog postati aici

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post 16 Jan 2009, 10:56
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Motor D4F, 1149 cmc, 4 in linie, DOHC 16V, 55KW (75CP)/5500RPM , 105Nm(sau 107)/4250 rpm, EURO 4.


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post 16 Jan 2009, 11:11
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Poate te ajuta si graficele astea, spre comparatie cu 1,4 8v.

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post 16 Jan 2009, 11:25
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acum vine intrebarea, care ar fi mai bun ? 1.2 sau 1.4 in functie de consum si de demaraj.

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post 16 Jan 2009, 11:31
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post 16 Jan 2009, 11:36
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1.2 cu al lui 105Nm cred ca moare cu roti de 15. Poate scoate ceva demaraj, dar nu cred ca o va face cu un consum mic.

Nu toata lumea e racer, dar nu ii inteleg pe unii de ce ar vrea asemenea motoare. Economie la benzina fac doar daca plimba masina strict in oras (eventual) iar la taxe un 1.4 nu e nu stiu ce mai scump.


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post 16 Jan 2009, 11:46
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Asa as putea sa iti zic si eu ... de ce ti-ai luat lensar cu motor de 1.6? 98CP cand mai toti producatorii au cu inca 10CP in plus? Nu-i cam mic motorul pentru hardughia aia de lensar? Nici eu nu ii inteleg pe unii care isi cumpara masini submotorizate.

Cam asa gandesti si tu ...

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post 16 Jan 2009, 11:56
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multumesc pentru raspunsurile primite
1.2 16 v / 1.4 mpi
avantaje...
dezavantaje...

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post 16 Jan 2009, 11:57
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Lasa ca am mai condus io motoare mici de peste 100 cai si m-am lamurit cum e cu ele.

Problema mare e cuplul care ii omorat cu niste roti mari. Rabla mea are tot roti de 15 ca sandero dar cuplu cu aproape 50% mai mare...


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post 16 Jan 2009, 12:00
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probabil sandero 1.2 16 v va fi echipat cu roti de 14


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post 16 Jan 2009, 12:02
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tot pe 15
nu doar ca are cuplul maxim mai mic dar il are si mai sus in ture..poate o sa aibe o cutie mai scurta

cred ca ar arata oribil cu roti pe 14

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post 16 Jan 2009, 12:05
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m-am gandit ca solutia unor roti mai mici e mai ieftina decat cea a unei cutii cu rapoarte mai mici


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post 16 Jan 2009, 12:07
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pai si il are degeaba, ca trage mai prost decat un logan 1.6 10561582.gif sa nu mai zic ca un 1.4 remapat iti face probleme radmasa.gif adic amasina ta degeaba are cuplu 150, ca este submotorizata pentru greutatea ei ... radmasa.gif

Sa revenim la lucruri serioase, 1.2 mi se pare o motorizare foarte buna pentru domnisoare si doamne. Si nu sunt deloc misogin.


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post 16 Jan 2009, 12:08
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in oras sa inteleg ca 1.2 consuma mai putin.


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post 16 Jan 2009, 12:10
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post 16 Jan 2009, 12:14
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Dimpotriva ce? Orice motor consuma mai mult daca tragi de el. Daca mergi adecvat motorizarii de pe masina, consuma cum trebuie.


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post 16 Jan 2009, 12:20
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corect, si cu matiz care are nici 800 cc si 900 kg daca mergi cum trebuie consuma 7% urban, daca tragi de el ca apucatu' ia si 11.


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post 16 Jan 2009, 12:21
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QUOTE(IRONICK @ 16 Jan 2009, 12:07)
pai si il are degeaba, ca trage mai prost decat un logan 1.6  10561582.gif sa nu mai zic ca un 1.4 remapat iti face probleme  radmasa.gif adic amasina ta degeaba are cuplu 150, ca este submotorizata pentru greutatea ei ...  radmasa.gif

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Da ma. Ai dreptate. Ii un mare gunoi de masina.


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post 16 Jan 2009, 12:22
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Eu am coleg la servici cu Tico si scoate 10-11% in Buc. Conduce ca sumahar ...

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Da ma. Ai dreptate. Ii un mare gunoi de masina
alutubor este chiar misto ... te-au rezolvat aia in service pana la urma? Sau tot la fel de prost merge?


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post 16 Jan 2009, 12:25
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nu stiu daca Tico e potrivit la comparatii, ca e pe carburator.


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post 16 Jan 2009, 12:29
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QUOTE(IRONICK @ 16 Jan 2009, 12:22)
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alutubor este chiar misto ... te-au rezolvat aia in service pana la urma? Sau tot la fel de prost merge?
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Mai nimic. Dar problema e ca eu m-am saturat deja.

Daca cineva mi-ar fi zis acum 4 luni ca o sa ma gandesc zilnic la Loganu' meu mai mult decat la pisica mea disparuta pe balcon, nu l-as fi crezut. Dar am ajuns si in faza asta.


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post 16 Jan 2009, 12:42
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QUOTE(IRONICK @ 16 Jan 2009, 13:07)


Sa revenim la lucruri serioase, 1.2 mi se pare o motorizare foarte buna pentru domnisoare si doamne. Si nu sunt deloc misogin.
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post 16 Jan 2009, 13:02
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mai ales alea 16V. suge ca tractoru la 2 supape de A.

mi se par complet initile 8supape in plus, mai ales pe 1.2


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post 16 Jan 2009, 13:06
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da' o repartizare mai buna a amestecului in cilindru iti spune ceva?


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post 16 Jan 2009, 13:08
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Tzepesch tata, ce bula ai reusit sa scoti.
Dar ti-a trecut prin cap ca astfel ai omogenizare mai buna? Sau ca se reduc pierderile de pompaj? Sau ca toate motoarele moderne si evoluate tehnologic au minim 4 supape pe cilindru?


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post 16 Jan 2009, 13:11
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daca la berlina lui nu are nevoie ...


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post 16 Jan 2009, 16:01
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eu unul nu ma pricep asa de bine la detaliile tehnice, care sa-ti explice de ce e mai bine cu 16v, fata de 8v, si alte chestii de gen. dar din ce stiu eu (lucruri generale) si din graficele puse mai sus, iti pot spune ca sunt sanse mari ca 1.2 16v sa consume ceva mai mult in practica (ca detaliile producatorului oricum nu sunt foarte reale, si prosti ar fi ei sa admita faptul ca 1.2 consuma mai mult ca 1.4), lucru datorat faptului ca are cuplul motor (care e si un picut mai mic) la o turatie mai ridicata.
daca studiezi atent graficele poti observa ca motorul de 1.4 are in jurul valorii de 2000rpm cam 105 nm (adica un cuplu motor egal cu cel produs de 1.2), la aceeasi turatie motorul de 1.2 are cam 95 nm. eu unul cred ca va consuma mai mult, dar nu cu 2-3 litri, probabil ca maxim 1 litru. dar avand in vedere taxele mai mici, e posibil ca pe an intretinerea unui 1.2 sa fie ceva mai ieftina comparativ cu un 1.4, dar nu cu mult.
totusi mai este o variabila de luat in calcul, si anume cutia de viteze. daca aceasta va fi una corect etajata e posibil consumul sa nu-l depaseasca pe cel al modelului de 1.4, si posibil sa fie ceva mai mic, dar foarte putin.


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post 16 Jan 2009, 16:04
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QUOTE(driverx @ 16 Jan 2009, 12:29)
Daca cineva mi-ar fi zis acum 4 luni ca o sa ma gandesc zilnic la Loganu' meu mai mult decat la pisica mea disparuta pe balcon, nu l-as fi crezut. Dar am ajuns si in faza asta.
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eu ti-am spus sa-ti iei tot logan...in repetate randuri


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post 16 Jan 2009, 16:04
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Ce taxe ma? Ce taxe platesti tu mult mai mult sa se justifice 1 litru in plus (asta daca si faci ceva km intr-un an, nu 2000 km)


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post 16 Jan 2009, 16:06
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Nu stiu de ce dar mie nu-mi place emblema motorizarii. Arata ciudat - desemneaza o motorizare mica mica, si ea e asa mare mare... rolleyes.gif

A si... roti de 15 bineinteles.

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