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post 6 Feb 2007, 18:49
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smile.gif asa e:) da sunt curios imi face cineva niste bucsi pt un master craft:) la peridoc...ca intra rugina in ele mai mereu:(


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La puntea spate, chiar ca-i naspa treaba, cred ca ar merge bine de tot rotulele alea "racing".


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Eu zic ca avantajele alea mari ar fi la puntea fata, dar oricum, un plus de performanta grantat aduc.


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QUOTE(MihaiD @ 6 Feb 2007, 05:55)
La masinile de curse se folosesc uniball-uri, care sunt de fapt rulmenti sferici ...

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a se vedea ca aia e masina de nascar cu sasiu tubular...sau cel putin asa pare.....aia merge numai pe asfalt......aia nu are ce cauta pe macadam.....

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post 7 Feb 2007, 01:45
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Stai linistit, si WRC-urile au uniball-uri. Si in plus, cine a zis ceva de macadam?


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Toate masinile de curse pregatite profesionist (inclusiv cele pt. macadam si offroad) au uniball-uri. Nu numai WRC-urile ci si cele de grupa A sau N.


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post 7 Feb 2007, 21:27
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QUOTE(MihaiD @ 7 Feb 2007, 04:19)
Toate masinile de curse pregatite profesionist (inclusiv cele pt. macadam si offroad) au uniball-uri. Nu numai WRC-urile ci si cele de grupa A sau N.
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numai masinile de circuit au articulatii sferice in suspensie pentru ca au cursa sub 10 cm, la cele de rally veti gasii unibale numai in capetele amortizoarelor la partea superioara, in nici un caz nu veti gasii asa ceva la masini de grupa N sau A unde exista conditii stricte ce trebuie respectate ( fisa de omologare + anexa j din regulamentul FIA). in ceea ce priveste wrc-urile bucsele sunt din poliuretan si metalice.


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post 8 Feb 2007, 15:45
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Ai dreptate la grupa N nu are cum sa fie uniball-uri, insa parca-mi aduceam aminte ca WRC-urile au ...


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post 8 Feb 2007, 18:04
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off-topicuri.......bre da ziceti si voi de unde luam poliamida de asta...care are pe acasa sau care i-a ramas sa facem si noi ceva treaba ..... radmasa.gif


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post 8 Feb 2007, 18:16
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pai..:)mergem la ciordit;)


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post 8 Feb 2007, 18:36
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pai..:)mergem la ciordit;)
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post 1 Mar 2007, 01:22
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QUOTE(mgi1400 @ 7 Feb 2007, 13:27)
in ceea ce priveste wrc-urile bucsele sunt din poliuretan si metalice.


Am gasit o poza cu suspenisa spate de la un S2000 (viitoarea generatie de Wrc-uri) si totul e pe uniball-uri:

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post 1 Mar 2007, 10:27
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ce ar fi sa ne rezumam la ce putem sa facem la dacie si sa nu dam exemple aiurea.....mai cautati si prin dtm,nascar tipuri de bucsi si suspensi....


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post 1 Mar 2007, 14:53
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post 1 Mar 2007, 15:04
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Se numesc BUCSE!
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ok doamna profesoara de romana dar cu subiectul cum ramane ?


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Este un substantiv si se declina ... nimic mai mult ... ahh ... mai sunt unii prin bucuresti care mai fac nebunii cu subiectul in cauza ... ideea de baza ramane ca pluralul de la bucsa este bucse .


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post 1 Mar 2007, 16:23
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tu ce ai ? suferiti de limba romana de la o vreme ? a gresit si omul si gata bastoane imediat ! daca v-ati pricepe la masini cat va pricepeti la limba romana poate s-ar mai face ceva pe aici.....


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Stai nu trage ! Am uitat de emoticoane mai sus biggrin.gif Eu nu sufar de limba romana decat in cazurile extreme ... icon_mrgreen.gif


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post 2 Mar 2007, 15:48
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QUOTE(AAlpine1 @ 1 Mar 2007, 02:27)
ce ar fi sa ne rezumam la ce putem sa facem la dacie si sa nu dam exemple aiurea.....mai cautati si prin dtm,nascar tipuri de bucsi si suspensi....
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post 2 Mar 2007, 20:11
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QUOTE(MihaiD @ 2 Mar 2007, 15:48)
Dar cine te opreste sa-ti pui uniball-uri pe Dacie  biggrin.gif ?
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nu te opreste nimeni....dar nu e mai simplu cu alea de poliamida ? eu nici acu nu am gasit poliamida ptr. toate cele 8 bucse......uniball-urile astea sunt mai greu de gasit si adaptat plus de asta costa o avere......doar ,poate, ceva custom made....


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post 5 Mar 2007, 14:12
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QUOTE(MihaiD @ 2 Mar 2007, 15:48)
Dar cine te opreste sa-ti pui uniball-uri pe Dacie  biggrin.gif ?
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dar pe tine ? biggrin.gif


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mihaiD : pune tu uniball-uri pe a ta si vezi cum se comporta si daca merita o investitie ca asta in dacie...ne spui si noua..... pe bune.....te tine ?


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QUOTE(MihaiD @ 5 Mar 2007, 22:30)
Nu ma provoca, ca nu stiu prea multe   icon_mrgreen.gif  ...
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pai se vede biggrin.gif ....nici eu nu-s trecut prin biserica de multe ori....asa ca.....

tehnic vorbind : ce ai de spus ? ti-am mai zis ca uniball-urile alea fac cat o dacie si is greu de gasit ! unde e greseala ?

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ia vedeti aici http://www.ceproinv.ro/poliamida.htm


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Unibal la masinile de curse n-as crede si nu vad nevoia. In plus nici macar in poza de mai sus nu e clar ca unibal-urile nu au miez de poliuretan.

Bucse de poliuretan pentru Dacia se gasesc. De fapt, de R12. Franta e o sursa evidenta. La bieleta antiruliu e mai greu, dar se poate face o modificare care sa acomodeze si nevoia de oscilatie in plan longitudinal. Pentru cele doua de la bara de torsiune-sasiu, se potrivesc cele de Toyota Tercel (desi aicea eu vorbesc din experienta cu bara de torsiune de la R17G care e mai groasa). Sunt convins insa ca exista vreo masina care are marimea gaurii potrivita pentru dacie.

Toate celelalte sunt bucse rotunde, se pot strunji. De poliamida n-am auzit, poliuretan foloseste toata lumea pe aici.

Atentie cei cu alte masini decit Dacia (ex BMW, VW, etc). Daca aveti montarea la capatul superior al amortizorului cu placa cu rulment incastrat in cauciuc, nu va recomand sa il inlocuiti cu poliuretan. Poliuretanul nu adera atit de bine la metal precum cauciucul si in cele din urma rulmentul iese sau scapa poliuretanul din placa de metal si iese amortizorul (tija lui) in sus pe acolo, cu consecinta ca va trebuie alta placa si o luati de la capat. In plus caroseria va prelua socuri samd, ceea ce va fi cam inconfortabil. Pentru motorsport, e alta treaba.

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si ia ta ca mi-am facut si io bucsi racing type dar cu unele modificari

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miezul e din dural iar parte ext a bratului a fost planata , bucsile au fost lubrifiate cu vaselina grafitata iar la montare trebuie avut grija ladistantierul central pt a nu bloca bucsile la strangere. bucsile de polianida au fust presate iar miezul a intrat prin presare cu mana


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si ia ta ca mi-am facut si io bucsi racing type dar cu unele modificari
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poze cu bratul modificat si desenul de executie

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