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Mama, 9 cm lungime, s-a dus escaladatul bordurilor  biggrin.gif
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post 27 Apr 2011, 09:59
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Da bre, stiu cum se monteaza.
Ziceam ca sunt cam lungi comparativ cu Octavia de ex, unde cred ca au pana in 5 cm. Pe mine ma tot roade bricolaju sa-mi fac unele flexibile, din cauciuc, impreuna cu air dam -ul fata. Am gasit niste covorase de cauciuc pentru pus echipamente care vibreaza pe ele si sunt rezonabile la pret.


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post 27 Apr 2011, 16:55
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Si un melc se misca mai repede ca tine ....


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Si uite asa au mai scazut cx-ul cu spatiul intre faruri astupat ...

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Plasticul ala face parte din spoiler si sub el exista "altceva" de absortie in caz de accident.

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post 13 May 2011, 14:58
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Pai asta merge si la Logan - dar numai sub -10 grade iarna smile.gif


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post 16 May 2011, 19:44
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pacat ca e doar pentru versiunea Renault


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post 30 May 2011, 10:04
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Eu mi-am pus in sfarsit niste deflectoare de planseu. De mai mult de 6 luni nu m-am atins de masina si am zis sa mai bricolez ceva. Sunt asemnatoare cu alea de pe Stepway, dar mult mai late si cu unghiul mai mic deoarece eu am puntea inchisa.


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"The new Air Curtain is the latest innovation BMW aerodynamics. First introduced in the BMW 1 Series M Coupe, Air Curtain now would be a standard feature on the 128i Convertible. Air curtain increase airflow around the front wheel arches with the benefits of turbulence are significantly reduced.

The ‘air curtain’ squeezes air passing through openings in the front fascia and directs a high speed stream of air across the side of the front wheels and acts as a curtain to separate the turbulent flow of air from the wheels interrupting the flow of air around the side of the car. This is good use of wind tunnel time and expect to see it utilized more in the future."

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post 31 May 2011, 07:29
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Si (exceptand placerea de a surubari) se simte vre-o diferenta?


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post 31 May 2011, 13:59
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Presupunea sa fac niste teste de consum si nu am avut chef de asa ceva. La intoarcere a fost consumul mai mic, cu ac pornit.


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post 31 May 2011, 15:50
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Nu este posibil sa scada apasarea pe puntea spate? (care si asa nu este grozava)


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post 31 May 2011, 16:08
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Incurci putin lucrurile. Reducerea unor turbulente in cazul de fata nu modifica apsarea. Din contra, faptul ca am deflectoare inainte de rezervor, punte inchisa si carenaj la tot spatele am apasare mai multa din cauza aerului evacuat mai bine de sub masina.


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post 31 May 2011, 19:58
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Nu incurc nimic, doar am intrebat.

Asta pentru ca "actiunea" elementelor montate pe masina asupra fluxului de aer are si o reactiune. Una este o masina care are pe ea toate elementele aerodinamice inca de pe planseta si alta ce ne chinuim noi cu loganul.

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post 1 Jun 2011, 09:07
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Nici macar, cu toate simularile facute tot ajung cu masina in tunelul aerodinamic si o ajusteaza de mana. Iar elementele montate de mine sunt toate adaptate de pe "planseta". Sau poate tu te astepti ca cei care proiecteaza o masina sunt niste zei ....

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Asa este.
Ziceam doar ca fortele care apar sunt destul de mari. Am mesterit cu un amic niste deflectoare pentru puntea spate la laguna din plastic de 3mm (indoit la o masina cu aer cald), asa de proba. Dupa un sprint pe A2 pana la Drajna si retur erau deformate serios.


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post 1 Jun 2011, 09:42
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Pai cine a zis ca fortele sunt mici? Eu de fiecare data cand adaptez ceva, exagerez cu prinderile si rezistenta din motive evidente. De multe ori chiar am amanat din acelasi motiv.

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Cioc, cioc ....


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post 27 Jun 2011, 12:46
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New Skoda Fabia pe dedesubt. blush.gif

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Am editat poza ca ma durea gatul ...

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QUOTE(IRONICK @ 3 Jul 2011, 23:57)



Apropo de eficienta carenajelor la Logan (cele trei suruburi sunt in dreptul dopurilor de plastic):




Pune si tu o poza din dreptul punti spate, sa ma inspir si eu sa vad cum ai prins policarbonatul respekt.gif


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Este prins simplu, tot de dopurile de plastic. Doar ca alea din dreptul oalelor si cu niste table in forma de L. Policarbonatul este indoit in partea din fata la "cald". Am facut cu letconul niste santuri si l-am indoit. Parca 4 santulete la distanta de 5-10mm au fost necesare pentru un arc de cerc mai maricel.

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la VW Golf 6 deflectoarele din fata punti spate sunt foarte late si acum au si mici crestaturi ( ca un pieptene)

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Intradevar, scurgere a aerului laminara. Dar mai pierzi din vedere si altceva, "golf ball effect".

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- The high efficiency Honda Civic VX and CRX HF models reduce alternator charging under certain cirucumstances. The VX computer instructs the alternator to drop from 14.5 volts to 12.5 (ie. not charging the battery) when all of the following are true:

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Prin toate testele facute fara alternator rezulta o economie de 10% de carburant.
In loc 5.5% sa consume 5%! Oau!

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QUOTE(IRONICK @ 5 Jul 2011, 15:18)
Prin toate testele facute fara alternator rezulta o economie de 10% de carburant.
In loc 5.5% sa consume 5%! Oau!

stai linistit, cu reglajele GMP, cu aerodinamaica, cu termomanagement, etc, etc.... se aduna destul de mult pe hartie... mai greu cand vezi ca nu prea-ti da si in practica laugh.gif


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La Dacia este simplu de unde sa reduca greutatea. Are si asa prea multe traverse sau suruburi pe ea.
Sunt producatori care deja au slabit suta de kile de la o generatie la alta. Plm, Renault ramane mereu in urma de cand este contabilul sef pe plantatie.


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imi pare rau ca te dezamagesc da' nu e vorba de un proiect Dacia... tongue.gif

LE: masa va fi undeva pe la 800kg si rotile spate vor fi "ascunse" ca la Oltcit

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Pai din poza cu ford rezulta ca cel mai bun lucru care poti sa il faci e sa cobori masina. Deci un kit 50/50 e mult mai de efect decat sa acoperi tot dedesuptul masinii.


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@Logan_Stepway - Da cine a zis ca este vorba de Dacia? Era o gluma ...
@4x4 - Si ce mai faci cu masina aia pe urma? Devine total nefolositoare, nici macar sa traversezi strada nu poti. Ce vezi tu acolo este doar un prototip.
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stai linistit, cu reglajele GMP, cu aerodinamaica, cu termomanagement, etc, etc.... se aduna destul de mult pe hartie... mai greu cand vezi ca nu prea-ti da si in practica  laugh.gif 
Aia 10% sunt din practica. Teste reale facute cu alternator decuplat pe sute de km in conditii identice. Si nu doar unu, mai multe pentru un rezultat cat mai real. Oare cand vedem si noi niste voleti la Renault? Cu temperatura se rezolva intr-o pompa electrica. Exista un anumit debit de lichid pentru transfer maxim. Cu pompa mecanica se depaseste, dar si se consuma aiurea din resurse.

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apropo de testele facute fara alternator pentru a scadea consumul..... din cate stiu acest lucru este ilegal la ora actuala;
intradevar, exista o strategie de genul acesta insa are anumite artificii pentru ca manifestarea respectiva sa existe si in viata de zi cu zi la client si sa nu afecteze viata bateriei wink.gif


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Viata bateriei deja nu mai conteaza. Sunt foarte ieftine in ziua de astazi. Ca schimbi un acumulator cu un an mai devreme chiar nu se simte.

Apropo de roti ascunse, la Logan merge de minune sa acoperi jumatate de roata. Si daca mai adaugi si niste capace transparente peste jante ca sa nu strici de tot partea artistica ...

In viata reala singurele rezultate palpabile le scoti din aerodinamica. Pentru reglaje gen termo in care ai nevoie de teste de laborator, nu sta nimeni sa piarda timpul.

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QUOTE(IRONICK @ 5 Jul 2011, 22:38)
In viata reala singurele rezultate palpabile le scoti din aerodinamica.

da insa de niste chestii de aerodinamica mai complexe..... nu din 3 elemente ... pe hartie dadea bine insa cand au pus in practica, au vazut oamenii ca mai este nevoie si de ceva reglaje pe la motor

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