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post 14 Sep 2010, 19:14
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Da dar rapoartele sunt mai scurte, asta ar insemna ca daca evita sa supratureze motorul, ar beneficia teoretic de reprize mai bune de acceleratie, in zona de cuplu maxim a motorului. Intr-adevar la treaba cu viteza... corect, dupa o anumita turatie diesel isi pierde puterea, spre deosebire de benzina.


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post 14 Sep 2010, 19:15
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QUOTE(bucatzel @ 14 Sep 2010, 19:07)
. Un motor pe benzina se simte ok la 4000 rpm. Un dizelar te someaza de mama cand ai ajuns acolo.
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TDCI-ul cu care ma plimb eu atunci incepe sa te bage in scaun..deci..


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post 14 Sep 2010, 19:17
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Tu ai sistem turbo


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post 14 Sep 2010, 19:18
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a zis un dizelar, asta e dizelar blush.gif

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post 14 Sep 2010, 19:22
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Argon, si la ce turatie se taie combustibilul? 5000 rpm? Hai 4750 sa para mai plauzibil. Mi se pare cam exagerat sa ti se para ca trage mai bine de la 4000, poate e o impresie cauzata de acceleratia inerenta (ca bagi piciorul in pedala) + sunetul motorului => efect placebo cum ca masina trage mai tare cand e sunetul mai mare.


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post 14 Sep 2010, 19:24
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PEste 5000, si la o accelatie d'asta de bagat in scaun consumul instant l-am vazut si 37 %, mediu dupa cum se vede 6 %, dar mai scade ca e nou, si la ralanti 0,6 /ora fara clima.

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post 14 Sep 2010, 19:25
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interesant...


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post 14 Sep 2010, 19:29
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Vezi si tu ca linia aia rosie e desenata acolo cu un scop, inteleg ca nu e masina ta dar nici chiar asa.. tongue.gif


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post 14 Sep 2010, 20:08
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Pilif, ai topicuri despre diesel la Diverse cacalau.
Sunteti formula fatala, tu aberant, argon mincinos.


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post 14 Sep 2010, 20:11
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explica-te care e minciuna. Tu erai ala care credeai ca se sparge dizelu peste 3000 rpm. Cu papucu dizel cu motor aspirat de 1.9 ca a lui tot in 4500 rpm merg si n'are nici pe dracu, e lesinat altfel.

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post 14 Sep 2010, 20:12
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Nu ca tin cu Matly, da' mi se pare putin probabil sa se duca un diesel la "peste 5000 rpm" smile.gif


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post 14 Sep 2010, 20:15
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Lasati offtopicul la o parte tongue.gif
Un dizelar d-asta aspirat peste 3000 nu are ce cauta tongue.gif


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post 14 Sep 2010, 20:16
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motorul reno 1.9 D de pe papuc sau solenza, ne-turbo, ca a lu' merced, are puterea maxima la 4500 rpm, nu zic io, zice fabricantul, se poate vedea oriunde in specificatii, si merge si la 5000 rpm fara nici o limitare.

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post 14 Sep 2010, 20:20
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Degeaba merge daca nu prea ajuta tongue.gif Eventual iti vine sa sari din masina la 5000 de ture tongue.gif Ca sigur nu produce accelerare fenomenala tongue.gif


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post 14 Sep 2010, 20:21
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daca nu ajungi la 4500 rpm e degeaba, ca nu beneficiezi de toti caii, cuplul la diesel aspirat e mai mic ca la benzinar(120 NM la 1900 cc in cazul f8q), nu te poti baza pe el.

In cazul 1,9 SDI de veve, puterea maxima e la 4000 rpm, la merced nu vad de ce ar fi sub 4000 rpm.

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post 14 Sep 2010, 20:29
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QUOTE(argon @ 14 Sep 2010, 20:15)
TDCI-ul cu care ma plimb eu atunci (la 4000 rpm) incepe sa te bage in scaun..
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Minciuna. Sau inc-o flatulatie senzationala de-a ta.

Si da, raman la parerea ca dieselu' LUI MERCED nu are ce cauta peste 3000 rpm daca nu vrea sa-si asume riscuri.



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post 14 Sep 2010, 20:31
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Ca e batran, da, ai dreptate, dar in general, daca un diesel de genul are puterea maxima la 4000 rpm, nu vad nici un motiv sa nu beneficiezi de ea din cand in cand.


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post 14 Sep 2010, 20:32
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Tata are un 206 tot cu 1.9 d-asta aspirat de conceptie de acu treij de ani. Puterea maxima e la 4500 de ture, limitarea pe la 5000. In afara faptului ca e zgomotos ca toate alea la o turatie de gen, n-are absolut nimic. Intr-o depasire te folosesti de tot ce poate masina.

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post 14 Sep 2010, 20:33
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Nush cum e la Merced, dar la mine cand o tineam la 3000+ consuma in draci. Deci nu cred ca merita. Mai bine mergi lejer si asculti o manea intre timp:P

Astea is motoare pt pensionari. Sa cante ceva lejer in casetofon si e perfect.
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Ce imi vine sa sterg, dar n-am chef. blush.gif


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post 14 Sep 2010, 20:43
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Hai bre Merced ca nu suntem rau intentionati smile.gif


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post 14 Sep 2010, 20:49
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Maximum power  71 PS (70 bhp) (52.2 kW) @ 4600 rpm
Specific output  36.7 bhp/litre  0.6 bhp/cu in
Maximum torque  119.0 Nm (88 ft·lb) (12.1 kgm)  @ 2000 rpm



Asta e motorul tau Merced?


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QUOTE(Filip @ 14 Sep 2010, 20:04)
Mai exact in ce sens afecteaza negativ motorul?
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Pateste cam acelasi lucru cum pateau papucii 1.9 d, cu cutie de benzinar, recte la 150 de mii de km segmentai motorul. Acelasi motor, dar supraalimentat, pe Laguna, duce 400 de mii de km fara probleme.
Concluzia e ca un diesel aspirat nu se simte in largul lui in ture mari, ci isi dovedeste forta atunci cand ai de carat cu el.


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post 14 Sep 2010, 22:32
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Muttley n-ai inteles ideea...probabil ca pe la 4000 de ture "da afara turbina" si din cauza zgomotului argon se face mic si intra in scaun.


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post 14 Sep 2010, 23:13
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Cred ca are ceasul defect ... mi se pare PUTIN PROBABIL ca un motor pe motorina sa ajunga la 6000 rpm!
La acea turatie nu cred ca are timp sa arda motorina ca deja gazele-s evacuate ...


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post 15 Sep 2010, 00:26
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QUOTE(Muttley @ 14 Sep 2010, 21:08)
Pilif, ai topicuri despre diesel la Diverse cacalau.
Sunteti formula fatala, tu aberant, argon mincinos.
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mor de ras cu lacrimi....poate ne lamureste argon ce motor chinuie el la turatii d-astea gen 5000 si ....

ON la papucul diesel i-am dat si eu cred 4000(ca nu are turo la bord),aveam cam 135-140 km/h poate ma lumineaza si pe mine cineva cu un bec halogen biggrin.gif ce turatie aveam exact !!! oricum facea urat rau !
Masina lu' merced merge bine pana in 3000...stai sa vezi show la ITP cand o sa o tureze de-i sar ocheanele radmasa.gif ca sa ia noxele ....
am vazut bloc motor fisurat de la turatie pe o banda ITP(la diesel odata te punea sa semnezi ceva cum ca nu sunt ei raspunzatori daca se duce dracu' motorul)

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post 15 Sep 2010, 06:31
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La ITP parca nu turau motoarele non euro, sau doar la benzina era valabil.., stie marean mai bine..oricum si daca-l tureaza, si Doamne apara si pazeste trece de 3000 rpm il platesc de bun nenorocitii aia sleep.gif


QUOTE(St @ 14 Sep 2010, 20:49)
Asta e motorul tau Merced?
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nu, are 65, dar tot pe la 4500 rpm.

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http://www.daciaclub.ro/index.php?showtopi...dpost&p=2518287

La 4000 de ture în treapta 5 ai 130 km/h

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deci cam 4100 aveam...oricum urla rau !


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