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post 5 Dec 2013, 08:44
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piticu' nu ma lasat si am testat si eu, merge fara probleme, dracu asta de pd se pune in ghenuchi dar nu renunta, nu vibreaza nu da semne sa moara ! biggrin.gif


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post 5 Dec 2013, 08:51
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Pai e si normal ca merge PD-ul, ca doar ce a iesit din rodaj...


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post 5 Dec 2013, 08:54
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QUOTE(l@u @ 5 Dec 2013, 09:44)
piticu' nu ma lasat si am testat si eu, merge fara probleme, dracu asta de pd se pune in ghenuchi dar nu renunta, nu vibreaza nu da semne sa moara ! biggrin.gif
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Poate e mai scurta treapta a 6-a la tine.
Daca eu in treapta a 5-a am 1000 rpm la 50 kmph, intr-a 6-a cat ar trebui sa am? 950 rpm?


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post 5 Dec 2013, 09:07
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dupa cum vezi si la mine are aprox. 950rpm intr-a 6-a .


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post 5 Dec 2013, 09:17
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Deci intre 5 si 6 e diferenta de 50 rpm la tine. Vorba lui argon, e degeaba smile.gif


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post 5 Dec 2013, 09:22
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QUOTE(l@u @ 4 Dec 2013, 21:14)
se poate, dar cu o masina !
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QUOTE(l@u @ 5 Dec 2013, 08:44)
piticu' nu ma lasat si am testat si eu, merge fara probleme, dracu asta de pd se pune in ghenuchi dar nu renunta, nu vibreaza nu da semne sa moara ! biggrin.gif
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dupa cum vezi si la mine are aprox. 950rpm intr-a 6-a .
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Mda ... si la 145-150 ai 3000 rpm .... exact cat are si Meganul meu in 5 tr., sincer nu inteleg rostul tr. 6 la Passat ... doar ca am mai mult de schimbat ... si nu vb. in necunostinta de cauza ...

In rest este adevarat ... dai 6 la 90 km/h si nu te mai intereseaza ce deal ai de urcat ... merge fara probleme ... la Laguna in schimb tr. 6 este mai mult de mentinere a vitezie ... ca suflu nu are ...


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post 5 Dec 2013, 09:39
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nu mersul constant subturat strica motorul, ci acceleratia cand motorul e subturat wink.gif

mergeti cu un DSG sa vedeti cum sta frumos cu a 5-a sau a 6-a la 50 (mers constant) wink.gif


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post 5 Dec 2013, 09:54
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Asta dacă dezactivezi senzorul de mers subturat.


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post 5 Dec 2013, 09:59
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Conceptul de 'subturat' nu e legat numai de turatia efectiva, ci si de sarcina motorului.
Ex: La 1500 RPM in 6 mers constant pe plat nu e subturata, insa la 1500 RPM in momentul in care calci acceleratia puternic se poate vorbi de subturare.
Cutiile tip DSG au mai multe imputuri, nu numai turatia, in urma analizei acestor imputuri decid daca e nevoie sau nu sa schimbe viteza.


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post 5 Dec 2013, 10:08
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QUOTE(Markos @ 5 Dec 2013, 10:54)
Asta dacă dezactivezi senzorul de mers subturat.
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Ai zis ca te pui cu burta pe carte. Nu se vede. E vorba de senzorul de calitatea mersului subturat.


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post 5 Dec 2013, 10:13
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Stai nene, că-s încă la prefață sad.gif


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post 5 Dec 2013, 10:14
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QUOTE(cj98czh @ 5 Dec 2013, 09:22)
Mda ... si la 145-150 ai 3000 rpm .... exact cat are si Meganul meu in 5 tr., sincer nu inteleg rostul tr. 6 la Passat ... doar ca am mai mult de schimbat ... si nu vb. in necunostinta de cauza ...
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la passat acelasi motor de 131 cp, cu cutie in 5 la 150km/h ai 3000rpm in tr. 5 cu 285Nm, iar la cea in 6 la 150km/h ai tot 3000rpm. dar 310NM, aici e diferenta.

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Asta dacă dezactivezi senzorul de mers subturat.
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post 5 Dec 2013, 10:34
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Eu am dat o data a 6-a la un Logan de 1.4 pe la 100 la ora. Masina s-a oprit brusc, cred ca nu avea destula putere motorul sa duca in treapta respectiva la o viteza asa mica sad.gif


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post 5 Dec 2013, 10:37
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Aici nu se vorbeste despre ascutitori. La primele modele de logan cu 6 trepte, aceasta nu era prinsa in fisieul hartii de injectie. N-a mai incaput. Calculatorul, saracul, n-a stiut ce decizie sa ia.

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post 5 Dec 2013, 10:40
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QUOTE(StefanT @ 5 Dec 2013, 08:54)
La 50 kmph, intr-a 6-a cat ar trebui sa am?
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Stefane, in cazul unei cutii de viteze, de ce crezi ca vorbim de rapoarte? Sau de demultipicare? Daca la 100 ai 1800 rpm si la 150 ai 2700, care crezi ca-i raspunsul la intrebarea ta? Aritmetica ce spune?
Vezi, d-aia am zis sa faci masuratori din 50 in 50: ca sa nu ne incurcam in regula de 3 simpla.


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post 5 Dec 2013, 10:56
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QUOTE(Ov @ 5 Dec 2013, 10:39)
mergeti cu un DSG sa vedeti cum sta frumos cu a 5-a sau a 6-a la 50 (mers constant) wink.gif
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Un DSG de care zici tu are 7 trepte, iar treapta a 6-a este intre 4 si 5 de la o cutie manuala, pt ca ultima, respectiv a 7-a, are tot cam 1500 la 90-100 kmph.
Si da, sunt de acord ca mersul la turatii scazute nu afecteaza atata timp cat sarcina la care este supus motorul nu e mare, ci doar trebuie sa mentina.

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Stefane, in cazul unei cutii de viteze, de ce crezi ca vorbim de rapoarte? Sau de demultipicare? Daca la 100 ai 1800 rpm si la 150 ai 2700, care crezi ca-i raspunsul la intrebarea ta? Aritmetica ce spune?
Vezi, d-aia am zis sa faci masuratori din 50 in 50: ca sa nu ne incurcam in regula de 3 simpla.
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Perfect de acord, daca ai sa observi nu am aplicat nicaieri regula de 3 simpla fata de altii, tocmai din acest considerent. Insa la Laguna, in treapta a6-a, ai sub 800 rpm la 50 kmph si eu doar atat am vrut sa sustin. Punct.

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post 5 Dec 2013, 10:58
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aceste discutii ma plictiseste

te bagi la aux in ala? ca trebuie sa demontezi juma de masina, nu de alta.. sleep.gif


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post 5 Dec 2013, 11:04
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Hitman, nu. Pentru ca deocamdata am mp3 si oricum 510-le care e in plan are cititor de SD.


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post 5 Dec 2013, 11:19
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marturisesc ca ma mananca,dar pe la primavara. poate pana atunci ma decid si pe unde scot mufa huh.gif


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post 5 Dec 2013, 11:26
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QUOTE(l@u @ 5 Dec 2013, 10:14)
la passat acelasi motor de 131 cp, cu cutie in 5 la 150km/h ai 3000rpm in tr. 5 cu 285Nm, iar la cea in 6 la 150km/h ai tot 3000rpm. dar 310NM, aici e diferenta.
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Din punctul meu de vedere este un mare fasss ... ca de aia este tr. 6 sa ai o turatie mai scazuta ... cu ce ma incalzeste daca sta la aceleasi ture ca si unul un 5 tr. ?

Stii foarte bine ca daca schimbi din 5 in 6 la 145-150 ... turatia scade extrem de putin ...


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post 5 Dec 2013, 11:29
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la vw a 6-a e pentru cuplu nu pentru economie !


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Te incalzeste pe viraje de viteza medie, acolo unde la o cutie in 5 trepte ai doar a treia - care poate fi prea violenta pentru acel viraj sau a patra - care se poate dovedi insuficient de scurta si nu o sa-ti placa cum va trage la iesire din curba.

In aceeasi logica DSG7 are aproximativ aceeasi turatie in treapta a-VIIa ca manuala in 6, in ultima treapta de viteza.


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post 5 Dec 2013, 11:46
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QUOTE(StefanT @ 5 Dec 2013, 10:56)
la Laguna, in treapta a6-a, ai sub 800 rpm la 50 kmph si eu doar atat am vrut sa sustin. Punct.
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Ai 900. O luam de la capat? sleep.gif


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post 5 Dec 2013, 11:51
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post 5 Dec 2013, 11:54
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QUOTE(hitman1234 @ 5 Dec 2013, 10:58)
te bagi la aux in ala? ca trebuie sa demontezi juma de masina, nu de alta..  sleep.gif
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Hai bre, ca nu desfaci juma' de masina tongue.gif


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Ok, in afara de consum si trepte de viteza mai face ceva masina asta?
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Face sau ba , ca tot nu"s lamurit ??? smile.gif


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post 5 Dec 2013, 11:57
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marturisesc ca ma mananca,dar pe la primavara. poate pana atunci ma decid si pe unde scot mufa  huh.gif
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post 5 Dec 2013, 12:05
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pai io vreau cu rca ca tin muzca in ifon si-mi fac playlist in fonctie de stare..cu ce ma ajuta ala?


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cu ce vrei tu??
butonul ala (care se pune in locul unui buton fals, acolo unde e ala de ASR/ESP) are sub capac o mufa jack stereo mama

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Eu am la Leon aux d-asta din fabrica si indiferent ce cablu am folosit, ce player sau ce format audio se aude destul de prost.

Cel mai ok a fost cu niste flac-uri pe telefon printr-un cablu d-ala gros, dar tot se auzeau prost la volum mare. CD-ul e sfant biggrin.gif

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